Has any Chinese become better player outside china?

[yamagata]

For example the Harimotos, would they be better players if they grew up in china? Maybe they would not even get a chance to play for the national team, or burned out mentally, who knows?

Is there any example of a Chinese that improved their level when they got a team of coaches from another country?

 

[ck1407]

Kazuhiro chan and yoshida kai

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

many who left the chinese system did pretty well
especially those who ended up in Singapore and beat CNT players in the world stages.

Li Jiawei, Feng Tengwei to name a few

other than Singapore, Kou Lei for example I think also did very well to reach 20 in the world ranking.

How ever, I'm not sure if your question is asked if they are still of "youth age".

 

[zeio]

For example the Harimotos, would they be better players if they grew up in china? Maybe they would not even get a chance to play for the national team, or burned out mentally, who knows?

Is there any example of a Chinese that improved their level when they got a team of coaches from another country?

The Harimoto siblings were born in Japan (still Chinese nationals before 2014), so it's hard to tell, but many Tieba users have also wondered and the consensus is that they wouldn't have gotten so many chances and achieved this much at their current age.

Many former CNT members never got the chance to represent CHN (let alone provincial players who never made the CNT), so for those of them things definitely got better. For example, Li Ching and Ko Lai Chak, Olympic silver medalists in MD at Athens 2004 and Asian Games gold medalists in MD at Doha 2006, with Ma Lin/Chen Qi as the final opponents in both, have always said they wouldn't even have gotten the chance to get those results and were grateful they moved to HKG and had a "second spring", with the help of Chan Kong Wah, the former headcoach/manager of HKG (see 1st video below). Li Ching, also Asian Games bronze medalist in MS at Doha 2006, said in an interview after Tokyo 2020 that he met two prodigies - KLH and LGL and he truly believes that they were better than him (see 2nd video).

Another example is Tie Yana, who I believe never made the CNT. She beat Guo Yue in the final at WTTC 2006.

陳江華🏓李靜🏓交棒予新一代 三代人一個夢｜體路✖亞運昔日名將系列
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NM-YJ1Rp0o

走在運動的路上：熱血青年 李靜
https://youtu.be/GdJxp1e5w3E?t=966

【Road to Tokyo】EP9 做乒乓球教練到底飲咩茶好 ─ 真‧奧運獎牌得主●乒乓孖寶 (上集)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_DDaRDBdf4
【Road to Tokyo】EP10 突發！李靜親證邊個先係香港「女乒一姐」？ ─ 乒乓孖寶 (下集)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFrY9L9q3AM

Wang Liqin vs Li Ching (WTTC 2005)
https://youtu.be/1NnQ2q_EThg?t=941

Werner Schlager vs Li Ching | 2006 World Table Tennis Championships (MT QF)
https://youtu.be/2eeEu_o7zyA?t=623

Li Ching vs Chen Weixing | 2006 World Table Tennis Championships (MT QF)
https://youtu.be/68qYUGKAhCo?t=354
Li Ching vs Chiang Peng-Lung | 2006 World Table Tennis Championships (MT Grp D)
https://youtu.be/oiuPJJrvQbc?t=348
Li Ching vs Chuan Chih-Yuan | 2006 World Table Tennis Championships (MT Grp D)
https://youtu.be/y1-Zmjl1YO0?t=319
Li Ching vs Ryu Seung Min | 2006 World Table Tennis Championships (MT QF) [MT SF]
https://youtu.be/iBcDT0CxEAk?t=361

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

correct Tie Yana never made the national team.

After reading OP again, I think OP's question is not asked correctly.
we are busy listing players that never had opportunity to shine, due to the CNT system (some can't even get in) and then when allowed to represent another country, they can shine.

I think OP is asking about coaching, hence I was wondering if OP is talking about youth players, who left china while very young and become better than what they could of been, if they stayed in China (with the aid of foreign coaches).

technically speaking, of famous ones we know, the only ones who leave "young" and relied solely on non China based coaching system, would be the Harimotos.... (they left while unborn lol)

everyone else develop to a high level in China, and left for better oppurtunities to shine, but not left for better developments per se.

So, I'm not sure if this is what OP is asking.

Miao Miao left very young, but didn't really become a top player.

 

[JJ Ng]

I am going old school. He Zhili, also known by her married name Chire Koyama, moved to Japan from China after refusing to throw matches. She eventually beat Deng Yaping in the 1994 Asian Games to win women's single title for Japan. I am sure CNT was very very pissed...

Chen Jing failed to make the CNT and went to Taiwan in 1991. She then won silver in the 1996 Summer Olympics and bronze at the 2000 Summer Olympics Not sure who many Chinese players she beat along the way. Regardless, CNT was probably very upset as well.

 

[Takkyu_wa_inochi]

LI Ping was an extraordinary player for Qatar

 

[zeio]

I am going old school. He Zhili, also known by her married name Chire Koyama, moved to Japan from China after refusing to throw matches. She eventually beat Deng Yaping in the 1994 Asian Games to win women's single title for Japan. I am sure CNT was very very pissed...

Chen Jing failed to make the CNT and went to Taiwan in 1991. She then won silver in the 1996 Summer Olympics and bronze at the 2000 Summer Olympics Not sure who many Chinese players she beat along the way. Regardless, CNT was probably very upset as well.

And He Zhili has lost everything because of revenge and ultimately returned to mainland China.

Chen Jing was on the CNT and part of the podium sweep trio in WS at Seoul 1988. Besides her, 焦志敏/Jiao Zhimin went to KOR and 李惠芬/Li Huifen went to HKG (and became a coach and brought up homegrown players such as Lee Ho Ching, Doo Hoi Kem et al.)

CNT was not upset at Chen Jing for playing for TPE. 肖戰/Xiao Zhan, the boldie coach (full of hair back then), was his boyfriend and actually went over to help her train. Chen Jing revealed how CHN even prepared the flag and anthem for TPE in case of a podium finish.

陳靜口述奧運:自己放水輸給鄧亞萍 暢談"讓球" (Chen Jing's oral account of the Olympics: She let up and lost to Deng Yaping and talked about "sandbagging") [TL's note: The article title is click-bait and misleading as Chen Jing actually said she lost her concentration in G5]
https://web.archive.org/web/2016081...sports.eastday.com/s/20120502/u1a6527232.html

　　我赴臺前，台灣乒乓選手從沒想過走上國際舞臺，高水準的選手怎麼安排訓練，她們都沒有概念，我復出後，訓練強度和方法都讓隊友們見識到了頂級選手的水準，由於我的參賽，台北隊再也不是打兩天就被淘汰的命運，參與感和榮譽感都強了。我赴臺時，全台灣只有一個對手，就是早期嫁過去的徐競，我們在2000年還取得過世錦賽團體亞軍，這是台北隊從沒取得過的團體好成績。

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　　比賽前大家都覺得這是一場沒有懸念的比賽，由於台北代表團根本沒想到我打到決賽，連頒獎的旗和歌都沒準備好，據説中國大陸代表團擔心節外生枝。主動為台北準備好會旗會歌。

Before I came to Taiwan, Taiwanese table tennis players had never thought about entering the international stage. They had no idea how high-level players arrange training. After I came out of retirement, the training intensity and method allowed my teammates to see the level of top players, because with my participation, the Taipei team no longer had the fate of being eliminated after two days of playing, and the sense of participation and honor had become stronger. When I came to Taiwan, there was only one opponent in all of Taiwan, Xu Jing, whom moved over after marriage early on. We also won the WT runner-up at the WTTC 2000, which was a good team result that the Taipei team had never achieved before.

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Before the match, everyone felt that this was a match without any suspense. Since the Taipei delegation did not expect that I would reach the final, they did not even prepare the flag and anthem for the award ceremony, it was said that the mainland China delegation was worried about causing complications, and took the initiative to prepare the flag and anthem for Taipei.

Discussion over at PTT https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/tabletennis/M.1471220642.A.483.html