So many interesting 5ch comments. To be updated...
ATTTC 2025
MT QF
JPN 3-1 KOR
M2 Matsushima 3-2 CDS (12, -10, -4, 8, 4) 1st win
M3 Togami 0-3 OJS (-7, -5, -8) 2nd loss in a row in 3 meetings
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...s-2025-bhubaneswar-10-11-15.37489/post-545091
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...s-2025-bhubaneswar-10-11-15.37489/post-545102
MT SF
JPN 3-2 CHN
M1 Harimoto 3-2 LJK (10, -11, 11, -9, 9)
M2 Matsushima 3-2 WCQ (-8, 4, 10, -9, 7)
M3 Shinozuka 2-3 LSD (12, -2, -5, 10, -6)
M4 Harimoto 2-3 WCQ (8, -1, -9, 13, -8)
M5 Matsushima 2-3 LJK (8, -11, 11, -4, -3)
https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/fo...s-2025-bhubaneswar-10-11-15.37489/post-545520
スレ立てるほどでもない大会・海外卓球 男子441
https://itest.5ch.net/mao/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1760177498/l-
0005 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 19:23:52.29
どの様なオーダーにしろ張本と戸上が出て来る事は確実だから残りの1人いずれか(篠塚田中松島)に勝てるデソンオジュンソンを2点と3番手起用する事によりいずれか1人(篠塚田中松島)の逃げ場を奪うオーダーって感じだな
仮に宇田がいたとしてもデソンとオジュンソンは宇田にも強いから抜かりのないオーダー
ID

EkLb8cQ
(No matter what lineup is used, Harimoto and Togami are sure to appear, so by using Daeseong/Oh Junsung as the 2nd and 3rd singles, who can beat either of the remaining players (Shinozuka/Tanaka/Matsushima), it seems like a good lineup to deny either of them (Shinozuka, Tanaka, Matsushima) a chance to escape
Even if Uda is in the lineup, Daeseong and Oh Junsung are strong against him, so this is a solid lineup)
0052 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 20:52:54.61
相手の作戦完全看破やな
でも怖いから戸上で決めてくれ
ID:nRQR9H9K(1/5)
(
You've completely seen through the oppponent's strategy
But I'm scared, so please finish it at Togami)
0056 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 20:59:56.97
左利きマニアは文句ばかり言ってるな
そんなに戸上2点起用じゃないのが腹立ったのか
1
ID

SKdxB42
(Lefty enthusiasts are always complaining
Is it because they're upset that Togami wasn't used for 2 points?)
0060 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:06:51.25
>>56
前日から松島2点起用派の方が多かったし誰も松島の悪口とか言ってないのに相変わらず戸上憎しの内容しか書けないお前は異常過ぎて頭がおかしいから病院言った方がいいよ
1
ID:gz70PVjz
(Since the day before, there were many people in favor of using Matsushima for two points, and no one said anything bad about him, but you're still writing only hateful things about Togami. You're so abnormal, you're crazy, you should go see a doctor)
0062 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:10:55.58
戸上頼む連敗はやめてくれ
ID:Y1A7FhDo
(
Please, Togami, stop this losing streak)
0066 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:15:41.47
戸上が3番なのは調子落としてるから?
2
ID:EH/ImAWr(15/21)
(
Is Togami in 3rd because he's in a slump?)
0070 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:17:48.84
戸上は張本に嫌がらせしたいのか
ID:JeQ1JCJy(2/6)
(Does Togami want to harass Harimoto?)
0073 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:20:08.78
戸上が3−0でボコった時とは全然違うな
日を追うごとに強くなってる
恐ろしいな
ID:sEnpoUMm(7/7)
(
He's completely different from when Togami beat him 3-0
He's getting stronger with every passing day
It's scary)
0079 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:26:35.83
戸上はアジアでは用無しということか
負けたら日本に帰れ
ID:JeQ1JCJy(3/6)
(
So Togami has no use in Asia?
Go back to Japan, losing like that)
0082 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:28:28.02
前回負けたのは運でも体調でもなく実力だったようだね
2連続負けは戸上はジュンソンより弱いと言っていいだろう
1
ID:vn7XdMK8
(
It seems his last loss was due to skill, not luck or physical condition
2 consecutive losses means Togami is weaker than Junsung)
0084 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:30:05.94
戸上あまりにも酷すぎるな
松島2点で良かったな
中国戦は篠塚かな
ID:y9xYy+Ml
(
Togami was just too bad
Matsushima for 2 points [as 2nd singles], which was good
I wonder if Shinozuka will play against China)
0085 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:31:45.11
韓国はどうして松島2点とわかったのだろう?
2
ID:an304PQW(8/14)
(How did Korea know Matsushima would be 2 points [2nd singles]?)
0088 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:36:39.26
>>82
その通り
2連勝したオジュンソンは戸上より強い
同じく2連勝したシュフェイは張本より強いし2連勝したチーハオは松島より強い
ID:QVcXfmCy
(That's right
Oh Junsung, who won 2 straight matches, is stronger than Togami
Xue Fei, who also won 2 straight matches, is stronger than Harimoto and Qihao, who also won 2 straight matches, is stronger than Matsushima)
0090 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:40:08.46
戸上は張本だけには相性がいいが、
基本弱いんだよ ドイツに帰れ
ID:JeQ1JCJy(4/6)
(
Togami has a good chemistry with Harimoto,
but he's basically weak. Go back to Germany)
0094 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:50:13.34
>>85
戸上はウジンに勝ったことないのと、パリ前にジェヒョンにも負けてたから前半に出てこないと予想したんだと思う
ID:rsvfUKs7
(Togami has never beaten Woojin, and he lost to Jaehyun before Paris, so I think they predicted he wouldn't appear in the first half)
0095 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:50:33.27
>>66
調子とか関係なくイムとデソン以外には戸上より日本サウスポートリオの方が相性は良いから戸上3番手は当たり前の一般常識
そんな事はカニアイコン含めた戸上ファンですら分かっている
そのデソンとイムも最近は勝ててないから戸上じゃなくても勝てるだろうしね
1
ID:dY4f7W8Q
(Regardless of form, other than Lim and Daeseong, Japan southpaw trio has a better matchup than Togami, so it's common knowledge that Togami should be the 3rd singles
Even Togami fans, including those with crab icons, know this
Daeseong and Lim haven't been winning lately, so they could probably win even if it wasn't Togami)
0096 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:51:37.01
カニアカウントはそもそも岸川ベンチと戸上は合わないと思っているので
上田いないこの体制はキツイとな
ID:HvrR/F9k(2/3)
(The crab accounts don't think that Kishikawa and Togami are a good fit in the first place, so
This system without Ueda is going to be tough)
0097 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 21:54:05.59
オジュンソンの上位互換みたいなのばかりの中国相手に戸上は出せないだろうな
松島2点の篠塚3番かなあ
ID:bw3PFZMh(1/3)
(
I don't think Togami will be able to play against China, where they're full of players who are like superior versions of Oh Junsung
I think Matsushima will be 2 points [2nd singles] and Shinozuka will be 3rd singles)
0117 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 22:20:00.87
戸上に2連勝てオジュンソンてもしかして強いのか
この前のはまぐれじゃなかったんかい
松島負けたらかなりややこしいことになってたな
まさかダブルエースの戸上が足を引っ張るなんて
故障とかしてなきゃいいんだが
オジュンソンに2連敗は不可解よね
ID:snEn8GtW
(
2 straight wins against Togami. Maybe Oh Junsung is really strong?
So the last one wasn't just a fluke?
If Matsushima had lost, things would have gotten a lot more complicated
I can't believe Togami, the doubles ace, is holding them back
I hope he's not injured. 2 straight losses against Oh Junsung is a mystery)
0122 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/12(日) 22:44:58.99
オジュンソンは着実に伸びているが、チャイナスマッシュでは濵田に負けてたしまだそこまで盤石でもない印象
今日は戸上の出来が悪すぎたな バック全く入らなかったし回り込みも全部詰まってた
ID:N7hXANS7(2/2)
(Oh Junsung is steadily improving, but he lost to Hamada in the China Smash, so I don't think he's that solid yet
Today, Togami's performance was terrible. He couldn't land any BH and all of his step-arounds were blocked)
0131 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/13(月) 02:57:27.21
にしてもあの人がジュンソンdisりだしてから急に戸上とジュンソンの分が悪くなったのは偶然とは思えんな、やっぱり呪詛は吐かんほうがいいな
ID:mei5JcEL
(Still, I don't think it's a coincidence that things suddenly got worse for Togami and Junsung after that person started dissing Junsung. It's probably best not to curse him after all)
0143 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/13(月) 17:53:39.79
張本なら連続ストレート勝利も当たり前っちゃ当たり前
そういう意味では貢献度は当然張本が一番だけど
松島もよく頑張ったよ
戸上は反省しろ
ID:kRJCP7sz(1/4)
(
It's only natural for Harimoto to win consecutive straight matches
In that sense, Harimoto's contribution is obviously the greatest, but
Matsushima also did a great job
Togami should reflect on himself)
0145 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/13(月) 18:08:03.34
岸川目線だと張本松島の信頼はどんどん高くなっているだろうな
戸上は去年からだが岸川ベンチだとイマイチなのが岸川にとったらあまり良い印象ではないだろう
カニアカウントはそれを全て岸川のせいにしてひたすら森薗上田を持ち上げてるが
全て戸上に返ってきちゃうからなぁ
ID:noMFVXOd(1/2)
(
From Kishikawa's perspective, trust in Harimoto and Matsushima is growing
Togami has been with them since last year, but he hasn't performed well with Kishikawa on the bench, which probably doesn't leave a very good impression on Kishikawa
The crab accounts blame everything on Kishikawa and praise Morizono and Ueda, but
it all comes back to Togami)
0217 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/13(月) 22:07:14.06
中国戦田中隠し玉待望論あるのに一体どうしたの?
ID:7NjYnCV2
(
What happened with the Highly-Anticipated-Theory-of-Tanaka-the-Secret-Weapon-for-China-Match?)
0218 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/13(月) 23:31:12.99
田中の人が壊れたレコード状態に
1
ID:1EGETXec
(
Tanaka is like a broken record)
0219 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/13(月) 23:41:18.81
>>218
その人は常にスポンサーガー、左利きマニアガーと壊れたラジオだから今に始まった話じゃない
1
ID:bE7wtjTl
(That guy is always talking about sponsors, lefty maniacs and broken radios, so this is nothing new)
0220 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/13(月) 23:59:41.71
>>219
そいつ昨日も戸上3番手派が多い中で左利きマニアは戸上3番手が気に入らないとか的外れな意味不明な事言っていたよな?w
ID:JKFq7TyB
(Yesterday too, he said something irrelevant and incomprehensible like "Lefty enthusiasts don't like Togami as 3rd singles" even though there are many who support him, right? LOL)
0237 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 11:16:11.93
卓球ジャパンは宇田特集だよ~
水谷来ないから宇田特集はすごく良さそう
ID:JG3rB0Lp(2/2)
(
Takkyu Japan is featuring Uda!
Mizutani isn't coming, so a Uda feature would be great)
0238 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 11:24:00.39
宇田はユンジュやモーレゴード倒せるんだから凄いよね
チューチン除いたら多分今世界最強のサウスポーだと思うわ
ID:UqThb/Bv(1/9)
(
Uda is amazing because he can beat Yun-Ju and Moregard
Excluding Chuqin, I think he's probably the strongest southpaw in the world right now)
0239 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 11:33:58.21
宇田が見つかったら男子卓球もちょっとは人気出るかも
ID:iDDBY/mZ(1/2)
(
If Uda is found, maybe men's table tennis will become a little more popular)
0240 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 11:36:21.65
宇田は邱がついてるのが本当に良い
主人公キャラだし人気は出るだろうね
張本松島戸上の次に割って入ってきてほしい
ID:JFRExMxG(1/3)
(
Uda is really good with Qiu [Jianxin] by his side
He's the main character, so I'm sure he'll be popular
I hope he breaks into the league after Harimoto, Matsushima, and Togami)
0311 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 14:11:07.92
松島マジで凄すぎ、中国戦は2勝確定だから張本戸上は足引っ張るなよ
ID:MsuJ6qm+
(
Matsushima is seriously amazing. 2 wins against China are guaranteed, so Harimoto and Togami shouldn't be holding him back)
0403 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 21:32:13.54
あーあとうとう篠塚が本格的に戸上ファンに嫌われるときがきたか
まぁ前から嫌ってたがなカニアカウントは
1
ID:QZxJsC2w
(
Oh, it's finally time for Shinozuka to be seriously hated by Togami fans.
Well, I've always hated the crab accounts)
0405 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 21:35:08.59
戸上レギュラー落ちクソすぎやろ
なんで篠塚なん?
対格上なら田中のほうがまだましだろうに
ID:MNBDWWGu(2/3)
(
Togami being dropped from the regular lineup is such a pain
Why Shinozuka?
Tanaka would be better in terms of ranking)
0409 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 21:40:07.79
こんな起用の仕方してたら戸上はドイツに帰化するかもしれんね
実力的には張本と同格なのにかわいそう
ID:MNBDWWGu(3/3)
(
If they continue using him like this, Togami might become a naturalized German citizen
Poor guy, he's on the same level as Harimoto in terms of skill)
0411 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 21:43:32.38
一昨日の戸上の出来を見たら誰が相手でも勝てないから篠塚を出すのは当たり前
ただ中国のオーダーを読んで張本を3番手にして欲しかった
1
ID:8iV1NeP8
(Given Togami's performance the day before yesterday, it's obvious he can't win against anyone, so it's only natural to bring in Shinozuka
I just wish they'd read China's order and put Harimoto in 3rd singles)
0412 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 21:45:13.66
戸上ーー
ID:t9L/pPcV(3/5)
(Togami...)
0413 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2025/10/14(火) 21:45:38.25
むしろ篠塚を代表で嫌われさせて宇田にさせる流れに思うね
最後の代表と思っても良いのかもしれない
戸上が負けようが出まいが別に不必要と嫌われることはないから
ID

ygGeVCJ
(
I think it's more like they're making Shinozuka unpopular as representative and then Uda becomes the one to replace him
Maybe it's okay to think of him as the last representative
Whether Togami loses or not, he won't be disliked)