Help! Looking to Upgrade from Spin Art BH and Roundell FH

[TableTennisOverEverything]

Cool. After you see how that feels, let us know. With TT equipment, it is better to not rush into things. Nothing wrong with taking your time and finding out what might be best for you.

Felt Odd certainly think I prefer speed over spin on my fh as I often seemed to over loop the ball if that makes sense

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Felt Odd certainly think I prefer speed over spin on my fh as I often seemed to over loop the ball if that makes sense

With your next set of rubbers you should allow yourself to take your time to get used to them. Probably if you played with your rubbers like that (SpinArt FH and Roundell BH) it would take a few hours or days, for it to start feeling normal but then you would find a groove with it. Before you change rubbers I think you should take a few days of just training, no matches, to see how long it takes to get used to that setup. Play like that exclusively. Don't switch back and forth. After three or four days of continuous play like that, write in here and tell us if it was possible for you to get used to the rubbers like that.

Then I will give you suggestions for your next rubbers.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[TableTennisOverEverything]

With your next set of rubbers you should allow yourself to take your time to get used to them. Probably if you played with your rubbers like that (SpinArt FH and Roundell BH) it would take a few hours or days, for it to start feeling normal but then you would find a groove with it. Before you change rubbers I think you should take a few days of just training, no matches, to see how long it takes to get used to that setup. Play like that exclusively. Don't switch back and forth. After three or four days of continuous play like that, write in here and tell us if it was possible for you to get used to the rubbers like that.

Then I will give you suggestions for your next rubbers.

OK will do

 

[TableTennisOverEverything]

Just out of interest what would T80 FH and T05 BH be like

 

[Kaizoku]

I've a bad experience with T80. I'd rather go for T05 both sides if you want pure Tenergy. But ofc, you're free to try if you want.
Though, Out of the rubbers mentioned (or any rubber tbh lol), (I've already tried bluefire, T80, mark v, xiom sigma euro and Current) my next choice would be the MX-S on fh and for bh any of the FX-P/MX-P, T05.
Because MX-S is more specialiced on big throughly done strokes.
Quote:
"I switched from MX-P to MX-S max on both wings. MX-S sponge is a bit harder but topsheet is softer than MX-P. It has less catapult, more spin and is a bit slower than MX-P. Very good grip, easier to handle in short-short or serves. Massive spin for topspins." As I'm a penholder that might add to the reasoning (as most pen holder use tacky fh, for large strokes?) And this would probably be the best non-tacky Tension choice for huge strokes. (That ofc gives more spin the better the stroke, more than MX-P on this aspect) Although I am VERY content with my current rubber I really want to try it lol. (And might in a while since Adidas is shutting down.. )

That's what I think.
Though Carl is a way more experienced tt daily veteran vs me, so listen to him in case he thinks something else on this. :v

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

That's what I think.
Though Carl is a way more experienced tt daily veteran vs me, so listen to him in case he thinks something else on this. :v

I think there is good sound advice there. However, I want to wait before I say what I think he should get since, on first try, he had trouble using SpinArt on FH (harder slightly tacky). After a few days of him trying to get used to that on FH, I will have a better idea what would he useful for him. Since his BH was already used to SpinArt, I have a few ideas already of what should be good for his BH. But I want to hear if, after a few more days of trying to use SpinArt for FH he starts getting the feel with it or not.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[TableTennisOverEverything]

Ok so Roundell felt great on the BH side the weight was perfect it was accurate, but perhaps lacking the spin I would like.
Spin Art as a FH was too heavy even after about 5 hours of use it felt wrong, although I could generate heavy topspin it didn't have enough accuracy meaning it would often miss of go down the centre of the table.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Well, I was thinking some other things, but now I am thinking you should use one of these two combinations:

T05FX on both sides
Or
Evolution FX-P on both sides

Both 05FX and FX-P are softer rubbers. They should give you more control. They both should work really well with your BH and they both should give you enough control on FH.

It should not take too long to get used to them for you. If you had been better able to get used to the SpinArt on FH then I would be able to recommend a rubber like T05, Evo MX-P or MX-S. But if it is hard for your FH to get used to SpinArt, then getting one of those other runners might be a mistake for you.

When you are totally comfortable with 05FX or FX-P, then you could probably go to something harder like T05 or Evo EL-P or MX-P. MX-S should probably wait till you feel comfortable with 05 or MX-P.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Which has the softer sponge, Carl - FX-P or 05-FX?

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Ilia Minkin]

Greetings,

Which has the softer sponge, Carl - FX-P or 05-FX?

Kindest regards,

James

I'm not Carl, but I maybe I can help. Both T-05FX and FX-P have sponge hardness marks on their packages.

I don't know Japanese, but according the package of a Tenergy I have, the nubmer 32 on T05FX envelope should be hardness on the same "scale" as the range JPN30.0-31.5 on the FX-P package. I might be wrong, and the scales can be different and off even if they are supposed to be the same. Also, there is certainly some varitaion in each series. But I guess that their hardness should be almost the same, with T05FX maybe a bit harder.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I have to confess, I am not sure. I think FX-P may be the right answer but it may be besides the point. The sponge on the Tenergy rubbers is better than any other sponge in my opinion. After all these years, still, nobody has figured out how to make a sponge that is as elastic and versatile as the Tenergy sponge. The Evolution sponge is excellent but different and not quite as good. But the Evolution topsheet is, on the other hand my favorite topsheet and I like it more than the Tenergy topsheet.

So, if you use the topsheet more than the sponge in your looping, go for Evolution. But if you use the sponge more than the topsheet, then you want Tenergy.

I believe T05FX is harder than FX-P and softer than EL-P. But I honestly don't really know for sure. I have never seen a durometer measurement of the T05FX sponge. I think, one of the reasons is that, in the Tenergy rubbers the FX sponge on all of them is the same hardness. The regular sponge is the same for all of the regular ones too. The rubber in the topsheets is all the same as well. The only difference between 05FX, 80FX, 64FX or 25FX is the hight, thickness and space between the pips. Same with the non-FX versions.

So, because Butterfly has created the feeling of harder and softer by changing the pips, I don't know that the specific hardness of the sponge is often talked about.

I could be wrong on that. Does anyone know the durometer of the TFX sponge? I think the FX-P sponge is supposed to be just about 40-Degrees.


Sent from Godric'sHollow using the ResurrectionStone

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I'm not Carl, but I maybe I can help. Both T-05FX and FX-P have sponge hardness marks on their packages.

I don't know Japanese, but according the package of a Tenergy I have, the nubmer 32 on T05FX envelope should be hardness on the same "scale" as the range JPN30.0-31.5 on the FX-P package. I might be wrong, and the scales can be different and off even if they are supposed to be the same. Also, there is certainly some varitaion in each series. But I guess that their hardness should be almost the same, with T05FX maybe a bit harder.

There you go, I learn something new every day.

And, of course, I gave the approximate Euro durometer reading. FX is a bit harder than FX-P but close. However, as I already said, Butterly uses pip structure to make the different Tenergies feel like they have different hardnesses when the sponge on all the FXs are the same hardness and same with the sponge hardness of all the regular Tenergies.


Sent from Godric'sHollow using the ResurrectionStone

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Thank you both.

So, if one uses the top-sheet for spin - serves and loops - one should use the tensor FX-P on the FH - despite having the marginally harder sponge on the BH.

It would certainly allow me to try out both rubbers together rather than have two Evolution or Butterfly rubbers on the one bat.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[NextLevel]

Both 05-FX and FX-P are hard and spinny enough to be used on the FH and BH - it all depends on your style and approach to the game. If someone stuck me in a tournament and said that I had to play with a racket with both sides having either rubber, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.