Horrible backhand, stiff wrist.

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Come on guys ( USDC & Jim ),

Let's put this aside to quell any doubt. I am sure the OP can beat me 1,000:1, so let's just agree on that and put that aside and move on.

With regards to the video, it was awesome. OP asked regarding BH and I, coincidentally have this clip with me from my previous tourney, It shows, a backspin serve, a typical push by the opponent and the server ( moi ) using a BH open up and it loops over and score a point, classic 3rd ball attack and got a point. How much more text-book do you want?
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I have been in the wonderful forum for sometime to hang out to talk about my hobby ( TT ) and the flavour I gather is that the mod and regulars do encourage participants to put video of them for sharing, and in good faith I did.

There are other posters here who have never posted any video giving comment and yet because there were no video of them, critics do not ridicule. If that is the case, wouldn't it be a subtle message the mod is sending that if you send video, you risk being ridiculed but if you don't send a vid, you are safe. Hence you are sending a confusing message. So what is it that the mod want here? Video or no video?

Think carefully mod, you are sending a confusing message to potential video poster.

NB: I do not mind the ridicule because for me, TT is purely a hobby and I am not dependent on it for my livelihood. So, even if I suck at it, it is OK for me. To me, it is just a game.
personally I’d like very much to see a match between OP and Gozo and to put some coins on Gozo especially if the odds are so skewed.

I have seen some very BH spins from Gozo in his recent videos indeed

OP’s videos are only highlights against someone he is familiar with. Ok we do see great rallies but it’s often mid distance. We all know TT is not just about rallies.

I think one can see dubious technique from OP causing unforced errors or easy ball missed so that I would think one should not too quick to jump to hard conclusions

Actually, I will reiterate that OP way of posting is wrong. He says his BH is crap but all the times stamps refer to BH winners while he is missing easy FH blocks or making so-so quality BH pushes in the video.

Personally my unbiased impression is that OP is kind of boasting on low percentage BH winners that he compiled in a video
And if he was very serious about people giving him advice on his BH, he would have sent either a training video with BH drills or some unedited match video instead of posting a video where we see only BH winners

As per previous posts I would highlight the posture which is too high, the need to improve blocks and BH push and as another poster said the use of the free arm for better balance.

Gozo please keep on working on your TT. I think you’re improving really fast . And that you’re a very pleasant forumer to read . A lot of enthusiasm and love for the sport, you’re funny and you’re transmitting also messages from your coaches which is useful for many while staying humble
 

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OK, so I’m going to attempt to wade in on this….. Which may make it worse, and as I’m on my phone, it will probably be disjointed! 😂

Any user who has been around a while knows I’ve always advocated for people to upload videos of themselves, and I’ve posted about the benefits in other threads (feel free to search).

The first point I’d like to cover is the one from @Takkyu_wa_inochi, saying the OP is “boasting” about their backhand.

I have absolutely had this feeling with people in the past, and whilst my natural cynicism would make it very easy to dismiss people simply looking for some cheap praise, I try very hard to simply, be nice.

I think it’s really easy for words to get taken the wrong way on an internet forum. When you factor in how few people are native English speakers, it makes it even harder!

So I always try and be as direct as possible whilst being nice (and giving people the benefit of the doubt if I’m sceptical of their intentions).

My guess with the OP and his backhand is that he didn’t have many examples of hitting his BH, and they probably looked even worse on camera when he came to edit the video - Which is why you predominantly see “OK to Good” BH’s in the video.

Side note - It’s worth seriously highlighting to anyone reading this….. You NEVER look as good on camera as you think.

Your shots won’t look as good, or fast, or spinny and your movement will look average at best.

We are so used to watching really high level professional play, that seeing a VERY good non professional player can often look like you are watching someone average at best.

So for anyone thinking about uploading, don’t worry if it looks rubbish!

Now for point 2, which we’ll call “Gozo-gate” 😂

I’m sure people have seen from my comments, and Gozo himself knows from my DM’s and comments that I’m a huge fan of his constant updates and progression videos.

As the OP didn’t post in the “video safe” thread, anyone could answer.

Personally (and I may be alone here), but I get SIGNIFICANTLY “more” from a post when I know what level the poster plays at.

Ma Long could have a secret account on here, and if that account posted about FH technique, I’d probably ignore most of the comment because I simply have no idea who that person is. They could be a complete beginner repeating other comments, or they could be….. Ma Long.

That’s not to say those who haven’t posted video don’t add a huge amount to the forum. They do. There are lots of regulars who post amazing content and help, who haven’t ever shared video.

There’s a saying, “you don’t know what you don’t know”, and I find this to be very suitable for Table Tennis.

There is just so much that only comes with experience, or being able to play at a certain level, that reading on forums and simply being involved in the sport won’t ever give you.

There are incredibly good players who would have no idea about equipment or even match tactics.

Then there are average players who could be superb tacticians and be able to advise players on that aspect of the game who have a much higher playing level than them (most pro coaches for example).

I don’t think there is anything wrong with Gozo offering his input in this situation - It’s an open thread where anyone can reply, and Gozo has put himself out there for judgement, so should be allowed to comment on others who are asking for it.

However, what I would say (Gozo), is that I would perhaps avoid using video footage of yourself to give advice on the ideal technique.

I think the video you posted is a huge improvement of your own technique, and you should be incredibly proud with how far you’ve already come.

But there are a number of things that are far from perfect (which is expected), and using yourself as the “textbook” is reaching a little far right now.

Had you said the exact same comment, but used a video of Darko Jorjic for example, it would have been better.

The biggest thing you’ll come across is the “spin” element - Right now, you’ve simply not played in many/any matches where people can “really” spin the ball.

Your BH in the video you shared would end up at the bottom of the net (if it even reached the net) against someone who could really backspin a ball.

Again, you don’t know what you don’t know, and that’s ok (you can’t do anything about this! 😊)

I have occasionally used videos of my own technique, but very rarely in a “this is the ideal form” type of thing, and often just to show someone that the shots are achievable for the every day person (but make no mistake, I’ve been playing for 20 years and had coaching as a junior).

If a tall, heavy man came on this forum and asked for help, I’d probably show a video or two of mine 😂

If you have got to the end of this message, I congratulate you!

I hope I covered everything.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
 
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OK, so I’m going to attempt to wade in on this….. Which may make it worse, and as I’m on my phone, it will probably be disjointed! 😂

Any user who has been around a while knows I’ve always advocated for people to upload videos of themselves, and I’ve posted about the benefits in other threads (feel free to search).

The first point I’d like to cover is the one from @Takkyu_wa_inochi, saying the OP is “boasting” about their backhand.

I have absolutely had this feeling with people in the past, and whilst my natural cynicism would make it very easy to dismiss people simply looking for some cheap praise, I try very hard to simply, be nice.

I think it’s really easy for words to get taken the wrong way on an internet forum. When you factor in how few people are native English speakers, it makes it even harder!

So I always try and be as direct as possible whilst being nice (and giving people the benefit of the doubt if I’m sceptical of their intentions).

My guess with the OP and his backhand is that he didn’t have many examples of hitting his BH, and they probably looked even worse on camera when he came to edit the video - Which is why you predominantly see “OK to Good” BH’s in the video.

Side note - It’s worth seriously highlighting to anyone reading this….. You NEVER look as good on camera as you think.

Your shots won’t look as good, or fast, or spinny and your movement will look average at best.

We are so used to watching really high level professional play, that seeing a VERY good non professional player can often look like you are watching someone average at best.

So for anyone thinking about uploading, don’t worry if it looks rubbish!

Now for point 2, which we’ll call “Gozo-gate” 😂

I’m sure people have seen from my comments, and Gozo himself knows from my DM’s and comments that I’m a huge fan of his constant updates and progression videos.

As the OP didn’t post in the “video safe” thread, anyone could answer.

Personally (and I may be alone here), but I get SIGNIFICANTLY “more” from a post when I know what level the poster plays at.

Ma Long could have a secret account on here, and if that account posted about FH technique, I’d probably ignore most of the comment because I simply have no idea who that person is. They could be a complete beginner repeating other comments, or they could be….. Ma Long.

That’s not to say those who haven’t posted video don’t add a huge amount to the forum. They do. There are lots of regulars who post amazing content and help, who haven’t ever shared video.

There’s a saying, “you don’t know what you don’t know”, and I find this to be very suitable for Table Tennis.

There is just so much that only comes with experience, or being able to play at a certain level, that reading on forums and simply being involved in the sport won’t ever give you.

There are incredibly good players who would have no idea about equipment or even match tactics.

Then there are average players who could be superb tacticians and be able to advise players on that aspect of the game who have a much higher playing level than them (most pro coaches for example).

I don’t think there is anything wrong with Gozo offering his input in this situation - It’s an open thread where anyone can reply, and Gozo has put himself out there for judgement, so should be allowed to comment on others who are asking for it.

However, what I would say (Gozo), is that I would perhaps avoid using video footage of yourself to give advice on the ideal technique.

I think the video you posted is a huge improvement of your own technique, and you should be incredibly proud with how far you’ve already come.

But there are a number of things that are far from perfect (which is expected), and using yourself as the “textbook” is reaching a little far right now.

Had you said the exact same comment, but used a video of Darko Jorjic for example, it would have been better.

The biggest thing you’ll come across is the “spin” element - Right now, you’ve simply not played in many/any matches where people can “really” spin the ball.

Your BH in the video you shared would end up at the bottom of the net (if it even reached the net) against someone who could really backspin a ball.

Again, you don’t know what you don’t know, and that’s ok (you can’t do anything about this! 😊)

I have occasionally used videos of my own technique, but very rarely in a “this is the ideal form” type of thing, and often just to show someone that the shots are achievable for the every day person (but make no mistake, I’ve been playing for 20 years and had coaching as a junior).

If a tall, heavy man came on this forum and asked for help, I’d probably show a video or two of mine 😂

If you have got to the end of this message, I congratulate you!

I hope I covered everything.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Hi NDH, that is a very nice post despite its length :)

I particularly agree with the part where you mention that you gain significantly more when you have seen someone's video / know their level as there are just things that ppl won't know unless they have been there and 'done that' themselves, although this would exclude players that have done it in the past but couldn't anymore due to injuries.

It would be helpful for this forum to have a feature where you can easily click someone's profile and find their videos of themselves playing, as it isn't always possible to be up to date with everyone's posts and we are bound to have missed someone posting their videos and the thread gets burried etc. I am still trying to post a more recent video of myself but I haven't done so due to limitations of the sessions, my availability to attend those, and whether the person agrees to it or not.

Back to Gozo's posting, I think it is fine for anyone to comment as this isn't the 'Video Safe Thread' and it is an open forum, unless OP has specified that he only wants opinions from people of his level or better than him, then each poster would have to post a link of their video prior to posting 😅
 
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Hi NDH, that is a very nice post despite its length :)

I particularly agree with the part where you mention that you gain significantly more when you have seen someone's video / know their level as there are just things that ppl won't know unless they have been there and 'done that' themselves, although this would exclude players that have done it in the past but couldn't anymore due to injuries.

It would be helpful for this forum to have a feature where you can easily click someone's profile and find their videos of themselves playing, as it isn't always possible to be up to date with everyone's posts and we are bound to have missed someone posting their videos and the thread gets burried etc. I am still trying to post a more recent video of myself but I haven't done so due to limitations of the sessions, my availability to attend those, and whether the person agrees to it or not.

Back to Gozo's posting, I think it is fine for anyone to comment as this isn't the 'Video Safe Thread' and it is an open forum, unless OP has specified that he only wants opinions from people of his level or better than him, then each poster would have to post a link of their video prior to posting 😅
I started writing, and clearly couldn’t stop….. if you read it all, you are a better man than most! 😂

I like your point about easy access to videos - That would be really helpful!
 
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I'm very far from a backhand specialist, and I could only go to myself and share my own experiences.

I feel that your backhand technique is quite good though but it might benefit from using a rubber that allows the ball to dig in a little bit more. This DNA Platinum could be a tiny bit too hard for your current technique, so just try a little bit softer rubber?

The difference between a good backhand top spin and a bad one, for me depends on how I succeed in getting my wrist and under arm to work together, and then it always comes down to my foot work and how I bend my knees, so I always try to be in a similar position when doing this stroke. I'm just so inconsistent in the backhand area still myself, but these are my conclusions so far. :)

I also wonder why you don't use a harder Chinese rubber on your forehand as you brush a lot and I think you'll get more out of these strokes using something that gives you more direct feedback?
 
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I'm very far from a backhand specialist, and I could only go to myself and share my own experiences.

I feel that your backhand technique is quite good though but it might benefit from using a rubber that allows the ball to dig in a little bit more. This DNA Platinum could be a tiny bit too hard for your current technique, so just try a little bit softer rubber?

The difference between a good backhand top spin and a bad one, for me depends on how I succeed in getting my wrist and under arm to work together, and then it always comes down to my foot work and how I bend my knees, so I always try to be in a similar position when doing this stroke. I'm just so inconsistent in the backhand area still myself, but these are my conclusions so far. :)

I also wonder why you don't use a harder Chinese rubber on your forehand as you brush a lot and I think you'll get more out of these strokes using something that gives you more direct feedback?
I agree with mocker on this one, maybe try a softer version of the platinum or even a new backhand rubber, I used rakza 7 soft for a while and it really helped to improve my backhand technique.
 
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I'm very far from a backhand specialist, and I could only go to myself and share my own experiences.

I feel that your backhand technique is quite good though but it might benefit from using a rubber that allows the ball to dig in a little bit more. This DNA Platinum could be a tiny bit too hard for your current technique, so just try a little bit softer rubber?

The difference between a good backhand top spin and a bad one, for me depends on how I succeed in getting my wrist and under arm to work together, and then it always comes down to my foot work and how I bend my knees, so I always try to be in a similar position when doing this stroke. I'm just so inconsistent in the backhand area still myself, but these are my conclusions so far. :)

I also wonder why you don't use a harder Chinese rubber on your forehand as you brush a lot and I think you'll get more out of these strokes using something that gives you more direct feedback?

I see!

I'm not good with the equipment, the racket was gifted to me from my brother so I haven't changed anything.

Like, what size of sponge should it be? And what does it mean to have a harder chinese rubber on my forehand, will it generate more spin or speed? Could you perhaps link some rubbers?

Thank you for your comment! Appreciate it!
 
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I see!

I'm not good with the equipment, the racket was gifted to me from my brother so I haven't changed anything.

Like, what size of sponge should it be? And what does it mean to have a harder chinese rubber on my forehand, will it generate more spin or speed? Could you perhaps link some rubbers?

Thank you for your comment! Appreciate it!
What hardness do you have on the DNA rubbers now? You could go down a hardness and perhaps use a thinner sponge too, if you use MAX now? Or look at some other softer, grippier rubbers for the backhand. There are plenty to choose from.

Most Chinese rubbers are more linear than Euro/Jap rubbers. They don't bounce much compared to euro/jap rubbers. When I look at your forehand I see that you have really good brushing technique and you could get very much out of a harder Chinese rubber like 729 Battle II Gold/Pro, 729 Battle Max Pro, DHS Hurricane 3, LOKI Arthur China, Yinhe Big Dipper, Giant Dragon TopEnergy or similar.

Here's one of them https://chtt.se/varumarken/729friendship/21-gummi/729-battle-ii-gold

If you put a fair amount of power in your brushing, the DNA has a too soft top sheet and bouncy sponge to give you what you could have with a hard sponged Chinese rubber with a more stiff, tacky top sheet. The more power you put in, the more you gain with Chinese rubbers vs euro/jap. I just thought it could fit your forehand :)

I think you play really well both backhand and forehand, so perhaps no need to change too much. Just work on the technique :)
 
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