I want opinions on my chances of pro

[pongfugrasshopper]

Don't know if he will or not, but I can understand if he'd rather spend his time training and working towards his goal rather than replying on a a thread that he created that others feel it's appropriate to mock and dump on him. Irrespective of whether he succeeds or not, I support his noble goal and the journey along the way.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Don't know if he will or not, but I can understand if he'd rather spend his time training and working towards his goal rather than replying on a a thread that he created that others feel it's appropriate to mock and dump on him. Irrespective of whether he succeeds or not, I support his noble goal and the journey along the way.

Apart from maybe one person was there a lot of mocking and dumping on? To me the tone of the thread mostly reads as "your goal is incredibly hard to achieve and likely unrealistic as you probably already knew, but if you want even a small chance here is what you have to do in order to achieve it".

Every national champion and Olympian I know has had to deal with naysayers constantly, most much worse than this. Many of them even turned that into chips on their shoulders. In many cases the doubt and calls to give up came from their own community or even family. KTT mentioned having a supporting family and coach/club so he has that going for him. Maybe this thread can even unintentionally serve as character development for KTT. If nothing else, he'll probably end up far better than most people on this forum at the least.

 

[lightspin]

I also don't think people are mocking him. I think people based on their experience are telling him that if he truly wants to be top 50, this is what people who achieved that goal did and here is what people did who tried and didn't make it.

If he said he wanted to be on the US national team, fine. He can go about doing what he is doing because I know people who have made the national team doing what he is doing. It won't be easy. If he wanted to be an Olympic track and Field athlete, make the NFL, make the NBA, play in the PGA, become a top motorsports racer, win a Nobel prize, get a full ride to Harvard Undergrad then Harvard Grad School, all of those goals while quiet difficult, can be done by somewhat normal people living a normal lifestyle.

Table tennis is an insanely complicated sport which takes way more effort at a young age than most any other sport with maybe the exception of gymnastics. You want to be top 50? Stop going to school, train 8 hours a day, get lucky finding a coach who cares and whose ideas match your physical characteristics. Pay tons of money for coaching and practice partners. Your travel expenses will also be insane. Once you do make the top 50, scramble around the world hoping you can join leagues and make some money here and there. All of this advice is what I would give to anyone with a top 50 goal. You need to know what you are getting yourself into and the effort it will take.

As I said before KTT is doing great for his first year and if he trains hard he can make the national team with a lot of effort. Top 50 in the world for men? That takes a whole different level of luck, money and time on the table.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

As I said before KTT is doing great for his first year and if he trains hard he can make the national team with a lot of effort. Top 50 in the world for men? That takes a whole different level of luck, money and time on the table.

with us having one that is better than KTT, and all the resources possible.
getting into USA national team, as a late boomer is proving more and more difficult. So I would say, your wording of "with a lot of effort", actually need to include "luck, money and time" too

Our player is roughly R16 player in USA trials, but that is still not enough.
even QF is not enough, need to get into SF, and 2 more match wins sounds mathematically easily, but not with stronger rating/level and players with more experience. He would fail, come back and work harder - but time will past and U15 won't be allowed, and it just gets harder and harder when the age group gets higher. I believe our kid was 1 year too late for getting into USA U13 team.

There was a USA kid, that came to train with us, and I heard he trained full time at a Chinese provincial team.
the kid was 11 years old at that time.
He would go back (like our kid) to the USA during certain US team events/trails/nationals and spend 90% of the year training in China.

I believe there are now quite a few of these cases - all these are competition for KTT and our kid in getting into USA junior national team. So, I would feel, the standard of the US junior team, especially boys, will rise remarkably.
The girls team rely too much on Taiwanese imports (Sally, Hildy etc), even Jessica (womens team) is Taiwanese import.

 

[KTableTennis]

with us having one that is better than KTT, and all the resources possible.
getting into USA national team, as a late boomer is proving more and more difficult. So I would say, your wording of "with a lot of effort", actually need to include "luck, money and time" too

Our player is roughly R16 player in USA trials, but that is still not enough.
even QF is not enough, need to get into SF, and 2 more match wins sounds mathematically easily, but not with stronger rating/level and players with more experience. He would fail, come back and work harder - but time will past and U15 won't be allowed, and it just gets harder and harder when the age group gets higher. I believe our kid was 1 year too late for getting into USA U13 team.

There was a USA kid, that came to train with us, and I heard he trained full time at a Chinese provincial team.
the kid was 11 years old at that time.
He would go back (like our kid) to the USA during certain US team events/trails/nationals and spend 90% of the year training in China.

I believe there are now quite a few of these cases - all these are competition for KTT and our kid in getting into USA junior national team. So, I would feel, the standard of the US junior team, especially boys, will rise remarkably.
The girls team rely too much on Taiwanese imports (Sally, Hildy etc), even Jessica (womens team) is Taiwanese import.

What are some training centers in tiwain that I could train at in the next year for long periods of time? Cost? Accommodation? What’s the training like? I’ve been curious about Tony’s table tennis club in tiwain could I learn some more about that?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

What are some training centers in tiwain that I could train at in the next year for long periods of time? Cost? Accommodation? What’s the training like? I’ve been curious about Tony’s table tennis club in tiwain could I learn some more about that?

you can google training centers is tiwain and see what you come up with
i certainly don't know
just like i don't know any centers in USB

however, to be serious now, your level is too low to fit in any proper center (where there will be 20-40 kids).
the only solution is to check if any coach would want to take you in and to be part of his training group (less than 10 kids).
Hopefully you get to a level, that allows you to enter proper centers, but that is probably few phases later.

as I told you in the private message, you need to check out your legal guardian when abroad, your education and visa.

and we don't run club models in Taiwan, unless you are more interested in tiwain

 

[KTableTennis]

you can google training centers is tiwain and see what you come up with
i certainly don't know
just like i don't know any centers in USB

however, to be serious now, your level is too low to fit in any proper center (where there will be 20-40 kids).
the only solution is to check if any coach would want to take you in and to be part of his training group (less than 10 kids).
Hopefully you get to a level, that allows you to enter proper centers, but that is probably few phases later.

as I told you in the private message, you need to check out your legal guardian when abroad, your education and visa.

and we don't run club models in Taiwan, unless you are more interested in tiwain

Ok thanks

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Ok thanks

let me explain

in Taiwan, TT is in schools
School is based by age. For your same age - your level will be too low by far.
and soon, you would be grade 7 age, which is middle school in Taiwan.
But your level is probably only 8 or 9 year old (elementary school)

You can't have a middle school student training with small kids in the school team system.

Grade 10~12 training with middle school (grade 7 to 9) is still maybe workable,
but can't be grade 7 training with grade 2 or 3s.

hence, private coach, where they do they own things and not based on the school system.

its so much cheaper and immediate if you can test out some of the top centers in USA (or USB if you can't spell)

 

[KTableTennis]

let me explain

in Taiwan, TT is in schools
School is based by age. For your same age - your level will be too low by far.
and soon, you would be grade 7 age, which is middle school in Taiwan.
But your level is probably only 8 or 9 year old (elementary school)

You can't have a middle school student training with small kids in the school team system.

Grade 10~12 training with middle school (grade 7 to 9) is still maybe workable,
but can't be grade 7 training with grade 2 or 3s.

hence, private coach, where they do they own things and not based on the school system.

its so much cheaper and immediate if you can test out some of the top centers in USA (or USB if you can't spell)

So if I wanted to train with middle school, what would my level have to be. (In USB ratings)usa

 

[Dr Evil]

let me explain

in Taiwan, TT is in schools

This is what the US needs to create a sustainable tt culture. It's a perfect school sport, so maybe there's a chance this will actually happen, though not in time to help KTT.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

So if I wanted to train with middle school, what would my level have to be. (In USB ratings)usa

at 2100~2200, 13 year old, you probably be the weakest player in the team I am with.
at other teams, maybe can get away with 2000+

 

[KTableTennis]

at 2100~2200, 13 year old, you probably be the weakest player in the team I am with.
at other teams, maybe can get away with 2000+

So if I get to 2100 when I’m 13 what could I do then. If I do get to a level next year to be on the team then what would the pricing look like, and the school

 

[Dr Evil]

So if I get to 2100 when I’m 13 what could I do then. If I do get to a level next year to be on the team then what would the pricing look like, and the school

You'll probably also have to be 2100+ in Mandarin.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Perhaps maybe…abt ur coaches level and results?

Not that beating a USA U15 is a very important metric of anything, I think that is a random comment that @Tony's Table Tennis introduced, but...

No my coach beat number one 15 year old a few times once a few months ago. If you look at his usatt rating there is a spot where he didn’t play a tournament for two years. One of those years he was training in Germany full time because he graduated high school when he was 16 so he took a gap year to train in Germany where he was beating players who were 2600+ then he went to collage and didn’t play at all, that’s why his rating didn’t go up

@KTableTennis you posted this on August 2nd. At that point, according to the records, your coach had played once against the US #1 U15 boy and had lost 6,8,3.

As stated above the more questionable claim is that someone who was supposedly 2600-2700 during a brief gap from USA tournament play was never able to come close to that level ever again. But clearly your coach can play at a 2450 level. Nowhere near the WR top 50 level or even top of the USA level but a good level. The difference between 2450 and 2650 is hard to fathom until you get more experience seeing and playing with those players. But see how far your coach can take you and if you're at his level in a few years then you evaluate what the future looks like. You've already mentioned you have plans to start training overseas and that will probably be helpful for you to expand your skills.

Check the August (edit: 23-24) tournament results. My coach won the open. He beat Ryan lin

This match appears to have occurred on the weekend of August 23-24. Again, you posted on August 2 that this win had occurred (supposedly a few months before that time). Maybe you have the ability to see the future

 

[KTableTennis]

Not that beating a USA U15 is a very important metric of anything, I think that is a random comment that @Tony's Table Tennis introduced, but...



@KTableTennis you posted this on August 2nd. At that point, according to the records, your coach had played once against the US #1 U15 boy and had lost 6,8,3.

As stated above the more questionable claim is that someone who was supposedly 2600-2700 during a brief gap from USA tournament play was never able to come close to that level ever again. But clearly your coach can play at a 2450 level. Nowhere near the WR top 50 level or even top of the USA level but a good level. The difference between 2450 and 2650 is hard to fathom until you get more experience seeing and playing with those players. But see how far your coach can take you and if you're at his level in a few years then you evaluate what the future looks like. You've already mentioned you have plans to start training overseas and that will probably be helpful for you to expand your skills.



This match appears to have occurred on the weekend of August 23-24. Again, you posted on August 2 that this win had occurred (supposedly a few months before that time). Maybe you have the ability to see the future

What? the last MDTTC tournament my coach beat Ryan Lin in the final you can check the result

 

[Tyce]

You'll become a great defender some day

 

[ThePongCommenter]

@KTableTennis On August 2 you said that your coach beat the #1 15 year old. The dates of the tournament your coach beat the #1 15 year old was August 23-24.

At the time that you posted that your coach had beaten the #1 15 year old (August 2), they had played only one time before (a few months ago like you said) and your coach lost badly.

So when you said on August 2 that your coach beat the #1 15 year old did you predict the results of a match that was going to happen 3 weeks into the future? Or is there some other explanation?

 

[NextLevel]

Are we still taking rides on the Circle line?

 

[Dr Evil]

I’ll let you know when I hit the milestones! (2000) (2200) (2400)

Any progress this summer?

 

[TheProfessor]

probably not lol. at least not contributing anything. This thread is all one big proof that we are destined to be hobby players forever hahaha. My goal is to be number one at my club. and my club is not very good. still ambitious for me as a hobby player.

This would be me, but I would aim to at least be somewhat competitive in the world veterans 10 years from now. Haha currently am 29 years old and maybe at a 2000 USATT level pretty much