Improved Multiball Training Video

[TensorBackhand]

I started doing multiball training just a few sessions ago, but it seems like it's already making a difference. I'm able to execute it a little better in training. And I played a match against an 1800 player just to test out my training. Normally I would play safe and would beat this opponent somewhat as expected, but I tried looping every serve of his and I completely dominated our match. I felt in complete domination on his serve and on my serve.

In this video, I took previous feedback and added a bit more variety, looping the serve to bh, elbow, and wide fh. I also added the followup kill.

In this video, I added a bit more variety for my friend, as well as the followup kill.

Still appreciate any feedback or comments!

 

[Aizen]

May I recommend to bring table back little more to the feeder's side?
It seems like that you are hesitating to go back on follow up shots.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I played a practice match against my friend in the multiball video today. The multiball training seems to be working for him.

I felt a huge step up in the impact of his ball. Normally I can sit back and block him all day and win those points easily. But this time I felt his ball with much more power.

 

[AutomaticBackhand]

After seeing a Bundesliga match in person, where Calderano, Togami and some others played, I could really see the difference in their shot quality compared to others.

I took some notes and tried implementing them for myself.

One aspect was how low the ball was arcing over the net, landing on the table and continue it's arc after the bounce, especially on the first couple non-rally loops.

What I like about that:

- Doesn't require much technique change
- Not complicated, easy to train and learn
- You'll see the change immediately and ideally your partner will feel it too

By focusing on that and not letting higher arcing balls "slip" mentally and recognizing that they can be improved, you'll get to learn and see the improvement over time.

In your video:

Sometimes you're doing it well, when you have confidence and you're in the right position, you hit the ball more forward than just upward (both BH and FH).
The ball is more dangerous and your partner has more difficulty with it.

It's not "big", but I'd say still important, especially considering that you are very consistent in your shots and not making many unforced, simple errors.


And BTW. :
Which racket are you using?

I'll switch back to LAC soon + J3 38 on BH.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

there isn't really multiball, it is more single ball drills and just using many balls for it.

i suggest, don't block your opponents ball, rather give a feed. because your block quality is bad and it isn't giving him a good enough fh workout.
also, try and go for one or two more feeds after that, ie center, right then center, so he is shuffling from middle of the table to right and back.
Else, the training is really boring.

on the other hand where your friend is feeding for you, i suggest he should feed any where short on the table, so you are not there waiting on the BH corner.

middle to bh side, you mush use backhand. fh side, you must use fh.

it is also good that he feeds long ball into you, so you are not premeditating

as I said last time, its all about realistic

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

oh, one more thing, your underspin feed is sooooo high.
you not spinning the ball properly, you literally hitting the ball out with a high arc, due to lack of control

you blade is likely too fast for you.

 

[TensorBackhand]

After seeing a Bundesliga match in person, where Calderano, Togami and some others played, I could really see the difference in their shot quality compared to others.

I took some notes and tried implementing them for myself.

One aspect was how low the ball was arcing over the net, landing on the table and continue it's arc after the bounce, especially on the first couple non-rally loops.

What I like about that:

- Doesn't require much technique change
- Not complicated, easy to train and learn
- You'll see the change immediately and ideally your partner will feel it too

By focusing on that and not letting higher arcing balls "slip" mentally and recognizing that they can be improved, you'll get to learn and see the improvement over time.

In your video:

Sometimes you're doing it well, when you have confidence and you're in the right position, you hit the ball more forward than just upward (both BH and FH).
The ball is more dangerous and your partner has more difficulty with it.

It's not "big", but I'd say still important, especially considering that you are very consistent in your shots and not making many unforced, simple errors.


And BTW. :
Which racket are you using?

I'll switch back to LAC soon + J3 38 on BH.

In this video, I was using Sanwei CC with LAC fh and Rhyzen ZGR on bh.
LAC bonding is pretty weak and the edges started to detach.

 

[TensorBackhand]

there isn't really multiball, it is more single ball drills and just using many balls for it.

i suggest, don't block your opponents ball, rather give a feed. because your block quality is bad and it isn't giving him a good enough fh workout.
also, try and go for one or two more feeds after that, ie center, right then center, so he is shuffling from middle of the table to right and back.
Else, the training is really boring.

on the other hand where your friend is feeding for you, i suggest he should feed any where short on the table, so you are not there waiting on the BH corner.

middle to bh side, you mush use backhand. fh side, you must use fh.

it is also good that he feeds long ball into you, so you are not premeditating

as I said last time, its all about realistic

In regards to my friend, maybe I will incorporate more of your tips as he levels up. I'm not trying to block with quality. I'm trying to give him an attackable ball to help him work on his kill shot. If I block with quality, it will just turn into a rally. I want him to finish the point outright on the first shot.

In regards to feeding to me, your tip is actually exactly what we did today. I remember @Heming Hu said that I should wait a moment later and loop the ball later. I tried to do this today, and I was able to hit 90% of my loop receives. I found that this really worked for me. Of course, as you pointed out, I'm just waiting in the bh corner and preparing to loop.

In the next feed, I told my friend to mix in some short balls. My goal is to react fast enough to get up to the ball and push it short. Naturally, this made the multiball much harder. Sometimes I could get up to the ball quick enough to keep it short, other times I was forced to push long. But yes, your tip was exactly what we did today.

Also keep in mind, we literally just started doing this last week. Today was maybe our 4th time doing multiball for each other. I don't want to make it too hard too quick. I want to work our way up, slowly adding more variation or complexity.

 

[blahness]

On your FH loop against his FH pendulum sideunderspin, you're hooking it way too much which is the exact thing that will cause you to eat the spin full on. Need to go a lot more on the back of the ball and go directly forward/upwards instead of trying to go around the right side of the ball.

BH loop seems quite solid, but I feel like you dont really know how to press down on the ball which is quite apparent in the followup shot where you often just use your arm to press down. The lifting as well as the press down (during the followthrough) is controlled by your body. Try to complete your weight transfer so that it almost lands completely on your right foot and lean on it during the followthrough (ie step on the right foot).

Your friend needs to commit more to his strokes, he is doing a lot of tentative half strokes which ironically have even lower landing rates and is not safe at all. Safest stroke = full stroke with max spin.

 

[TensorBackhand]

On your FH loop against his FH pendulum sideunderspin, you're hooking it way too much which is the exact thing that will cause you to eat the spin full on. Need to go a lot more on the back of the ball and go directly forward/upwards instead of trying to go around the right side of the ball.

BH loop seems quite solid, but I feel like you dont really know how to press down on the ball which is quite apparent in the followup shot where you often just use your arm to press down. The lifting as well as the press down (during the followthrough) is controlled by your body. Try to complete your weight transfer so that it almost lands completely on your right foot and lean on it during the followthrough (ie step on the right foot).

Your friend needs to commit more to his strokes, he is doing a lot of tentative half strokes which ironically have even lower landing rates and is not safe at all. Safest stroke = full stroke with max spin.

Yes, I told him the same thing. We have been working on getting his loop to be safer and snappier.

 

[Heming Hu]

I started doing multiball training just a few sessions ago, but it seems like it's already making a difference. I'm able to execute it a little better in training. And I played a match against an 1800 player just to test out my training. Normally I would play safe and would beat this opponent somewhat as expected, but I tried looping every serve of his and I completely dominated our match. I felt in complete domination on his serve and on my serve.

In this video, I took previous feedback and added a bit more variety, looping the serve to bh, elbow, and wide fh. I also added the followup kill.

In this video, I added a bit more variety for my friend, as well as the followup kill.

Still appreciate any feedback or comments!

is that rodolfo?

 

[TensorBackhand]

is that rodolfo?

Yes, we are friends. I watch a lot of his matches and have been trying to help him improve to beat players he should be destroying but isn't at the moment. So right now I am just working on getting his opening loop with more spin and consistency, and then developing a confident followup kill.