improvements? - renz alcance

[poltery]

it has been a long time siNce i last fought my 2nd coach in our club.I was surprised by my performance because whenever i play with him, my perf. goes
down to 40%/100%.BTW i won 3 games with sets 3-1 ,3-0 and 3-1

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Nice play, hes not very aggressive and I think you really took advantage of that, lots of nice 3rd and 4th ball attacking with your forehand, still a little passive on the backhand. With him it was not so much a problem because he didn't capitalise on the weaker play. One key area he managed to get you on a couple of times was wider on your forehand, sometimes it is more beneficial to step back as you move across to the ball so you can still contact the ball in front of your body, where here you are hitting the ball in line with your body which takes away a lot of accuracy. So a key thing to work on is focusing on contact point and timing and balanced footwork and of course keeping pressure on your opponent. More improvements though so great work

 

[poltery]

Nice play, hes not very aggressive and I think you really took advantage of that, lots of nice 3rd and 4th ball attacking with your forehand, still a little passive on the backhand. With him it was not so much a problem because he didn't capitalise on the weaker play. One key area he managed to get you on a couple of times was wider on your forehand, sometimes it is more beneficial to step back as you move across to the ball so you can still contact the ball in front of your body, where here you are hitting the ball in line with your body which takes away a lot of accuracy. So a key thing to work on is focusing on contact point and timing and balanced footwork and of course keeping pressure on your opponent. More improvements though so great work

Oh gosh!!! the timing stuff
I really can't master the timing on looping with my bh and
looping a super spinny chop ball sir matt
I really can't find the soft spot of my bh . I can only BH loop dead/float balls.
My problem is the angle and wrist .
Can u recomment drills that will help me improve timing sir ????

 

[Matt Hetherington]

Well really if you are having problems with your backhand loop you have 2 options. You can either do multiball where you have the opportunity to hit a lot of balls and work on getting the technical aspect of the shot right and of course having a lot of balls to find the most efficient shot for your game also you have to opportunity to alter the feed and change the spin on the backspin balls coming to you and also vary the length of the balls so you can practice getting the timing right. The other option is to practice a 3rd ball attack exercise from service. That way you can have a game type situation, which means serving short, recovering for the next ball, getting your training partner to push long to your backhand and then opening up that 3rd ball. Those are the best 2 and most basic exercises to do to get started with getting a consistent technique and feeling for a backhand loop in my opinion.

 

[YosuaYosan]

Harr harr Renz !!
Gotta watch your vid first, before then get ready for some reprimand >: )

Hohum..
Alrite.. Your forehand is as devastating as ever, good footwork but it seems you have some problem when your opponent give either wide ball to your forehand or backhand.
His short game with the pips is not that good, and since the ball given is an empty ball turned very slight topspin, you could attack it easily..

About the backhand, it seems you do more hitting, try to lower your backhand's starting position so you could loop with it.
Or in case you are not natural with looping backhand and more hitting, go for a SHORT PIP ! LOL !

 

[YosuaYosan]

Henzell is quite tall tho, so the stroke should be different from yours, but the base technique should be the same.

 

[poltery]

Henzell is quite tall tho, so the stroke should be different from yours, but the base technique should be the same.

thx bro yosua . I've seen this b4. the stroke is flawless, but still I cannot purely generate the angle in fast play

 

[Matt Hetherington]

For now in the fast play just concentrate on blocking and counterdriving while you spend time focusing on backhand looping against backspin first. One step at a time

 

[YosuaYosan]

Oops, yes I think backhand topsin off a backspin is better learned first..

 

[Mr. RicharD]

That video is the older version of a backhand loop. It is okay, but it is for highly trained levels. It takes far too long to learn the backhand that way because it's all about natural timing and consistency. With the use of the wrist you first need to have the proper control in your backhand.

Here are a few key pointers in the backhand loop:

Timing - Regardless of rubber you should be starting your backhand at the very least near your belly button, but low to the table. As with all strokes your back swing and forward swing should start and end about equal to the height of the ball (i.e. you should start below the ball 12 inches and end above the ball 12 inches) When your opponent hits the ball start your backswing when the ball bounces on your side of the table you should be ready to start your forward swing and hit the ball at highest part of it's bounce.

Point of Contact - The number one problem my students have with their backhands is judging where the sweet spot is. Because you cannot see the racket when you are hitting a backhand it will take a lot more practice, but you should hear the ball hit your sweet spot. It should make that pop sound that you often here from the professionals. Every shot should make that sound if you want to have the best shot possible.

Make sure you pay attention to where the ball bounces on your side of the table. If the ball bounces near the net half of the table you need to step in to make sure you can hit the ball with the sweet spot otherwise your backswing will have been useless and your shot will have very little spin and power. If the ball bounces near the baseline half of the table you need to take a step back and stay low. This is actually beneficial to you because you can provide a fuller swing by starting your backswing lower and at the point of contact ending your forward swing at the height of your choice.

Racket Speed - This is perhaps the most important part of the backhand loop. The faster you can swing your forearm forward and upward the more energy (speed and spin) you can put into the ball. A lot of people think they are putting more spin and speed into the ball when they really focus on hitting the ball hard, but in reality that only affects the speed of the ball. To develop the spin aspect as well as accuracy it is about proper speed and follow through.

As PingPongPom said your best bet at practicing this is multiball or service returns. Make sure you use your legs and back with this shot. Bend your knees and really push forward and upward when you hit the ball. I would suggest that you work on multiball or robot at least a couple hours a week to develop your backhand. If you do this for 2-3 weeks you will certainly gain a stronger loop. Post some more videos and I'd love to give some pointers on the BH.

But with all that aside this is definitely an improvement from your last couple of videos. It was fun to watch, keep practicing!

 

[poltery]

That video is the older version of a backhand loop. It is okay, but it is for highly trained levels. It takes far too long to learn the backhand that way because it's all about natural timing and consistency. With the use of the wrist you first need to have the proper control in your backhand.

Here are a few key pointers in the backhand loop:

Timing - Regardless of rubber you should be starting your backhand at the very least near your belly button, but low to the table. As with all strokes your back swing and forward swing should start and end about equal to the height of the ball (i.e. you should start below the ball 12 inches and end above the ball 12 inches) When your opponent hits the ball start your backswing when the ball bounces on your side of the table you should be ready to start your forward swing and hit the ball at highest part of it's bounce.

Point of Contact - The number one problem my students have with their backhands is judging where the sweet spot is. Because you cannot see the racket when you are hitting a backhand it will take a lot more practice, but you should hear the ball hit your sweet spot. It should make that pop sound that you often here from the professionals. Every shot should make that sound if you want to have the best shot possible.

Make sure you pay attention to where the ball bounces on your side of the table. If the ball bounces near the net half of the table you need to step in to make sure you can hit the ball with the sweet spot otherwise your backswing will have been useless and your shot will have very little spin and power. If the ball bounces near the baseline half of the table you need to take a step back and stay low. This is actually beneficial to you because you can provide a fuller swing by starting your backswing lower and at the point of contact ending your forward swing at the height of your choice.

Racket Speed - This is perhaps the most important part of the backhand loop. The faster you can swing your forearm forward and upward the more energy (speed and spin) you can put into the ball. A lot of people think they are putting more spin and speed into the ball when they really focus on hitting the ball hard, but in reality that only affects the speed of the ball. To develop the spin aspect as well as accuracy it is about proper speed and follow through.

As PingPongPom said your best bet at practicing this is multiball or service returns. Make sure you use your legs and back with this shot. Bend your knees and really push forward and upward when you hit the ball. I would suggest that you work on multiball or robot at least a couple hours a week to develop your backhand. If you do this for 2-3 weeks you will certainly gain a stronger loop. Post some more videos and I'd love to give some pointers on the BH.

But with all that aside this is definitely an improvement from your last couple of videos. It was fun to watch, keep practicing!

Thx a lot sir richard
I guess Imma try ur tips on a shadow and multiball training.
Imma also test the timing thing with the measurements along with it.
Imma also practice generating spin+power in every shot b4 looping a heavy backspin ball

 

[dici]

hm... for some points it looks like you wasn't ready for the next attack after you initiate the first attack. Just try to assume the opponent will block it back unless you hit it real hard.

For the backhand loop, beside the practice and technical correction, what you can do is do a soft hitting on the first backhand loop. It is for you to gain the first attack, then you can hit the returned ball harder or faster or spinner. When you feel more confident, you can vary the first BH loop speed so that the opponent will have hard time to get the block timing right

 

[ttmonster]

@Mr Richard : I am using Tenergy 05 FX on my backhand ( 3-4 months old ) ... I am normally able to generate a very spinny loop from it .. however I have started learning the banna flick and I am increasingly feeling that I donot have enough feeling in my backhand to know where the sweet spot is .. do you suggest I try out harder rubbers or less thickness on the rubber ? My current setup is Waldner Ultra Senso ( Tenergy 05 FH , FX Backhand Style : Close to the table looping , aggressive play ) ...

 

[homer_123]

I am more than happy to be corrected by others with more knowledge and experience!

I noticed during the video that your forehand is your strongest shot - yet, it's the shot where you seem least ready to play the next ball. If you look at the way you play your attacking forehand, there's a lot of swing backwards before you then play your shot (a little like an old skool loop) - you might find it beneficial, especially when you are close to the table to shorten the backswing on your forehand. It should reduce errors but also you'll find it much easier and quicker to get back into the ready position for your next shot. Also, it takes less effort, which means you can do more of them without tiring so quickly.

Finally, work on the basis that your opponent is going to get every ball back, this way you play each shot and be ready for the next - don't assume you've hit a winner.

For your backhand - I was taught (by a chinese coach) to play the shot like you are throwing a 'frisbie' - multi-ball is the best way to start this - just get the technique right and get yourself used to playing the shot - then get someone to feed you underspin and keep going, then work through to mixing underspin with topspin.

Hope that helps.

 

[poltery]

I am more than happy to be corrected by others with more knowledge and experience!

I noticed during the video that your forehand is your strongest shot - yet, it's the shot where you seem least ready to play the next ball. If you look at the way you play your attacking forehand, there's a lot of swing backwards before you then play your shot (a little like an old skool loop) - you might find it beneficial, especially when you are close to the table to shorten the backswing on your forehand. It should reduce errors but also you'll find it much easier and quicker to get back into the ready position for your next shot. Also, it takes less effort, which means you can do more of them without tiring so quickly.

Finally, work on the basis that your opponent is going to get every ball back, this way you play each shot and be ready for the next - don't assume you've hit a winner.

For your backhand - I was taught (by a chinese coach) to play the shot like you are throwing a 'frisbie' - multi-ball is the best way to start this - just get the technique right and get yourself used to playing the shot - then get someone to feed you underspin and keep going, then work through to mixing underspin with topspin.

Hope that helps.

My friend who came from Europe taught me a simple BH loop which is the shoulder drop technique.
He told me to drop my shoulder to generate power and wrist action to raise the ball.
I find this technique very efficient........
So sir what other techniques can u suggest to make BH loop easier??????

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Multi ball underspin to the backhand as much as possible until you get a feel for looping underspin with the backhand. If you know a long pips player who is good at blocking you could have them block to your backhand as you loop with your backhand. Once you can get the feel of looping with your backhand consistently then work on third ball attack drills with the backhand as much as possible. Learning information about techniques does not seem as important to what you are doing as time looping underspin with your backhand so you get the feel of it and can really get solid and confident with looping underspin.

 

[YosuaYosan]

Multi ball underspin to the backhand as much as possible until you get a feel for looping underspin with the backhand. If you know a long pips player who is good at blocking you could have them block to your backhand as you loop with your backhand. Once you can get the feel of looping with your backhand consistently then work on third ball attack drills with the backhand as much as possible. Learning information about techniques does not seem as important to what you are doing as time looping underspin with your backhand so you get the feel of it and can really get solid and confident with looping underspin.

Indeed, in the end it seems that there is no other way to improve.

By multiballing, you will develop your feel for the backhand Renz