ITTF/WTT problems reported from players

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Every aspect apart from the yt channel.

True but they still wanted to improve way more than they did. And by trying they made many circumstances worse than before.

WTT treats the players, its institution and the sport as it is leveled with Tennis, although we lack the huge sponsorship, viewerbase and infrastructure.
But these issues run deep, because it goes down to national level as well (at least in europe).
You cant watch prolevel tabletennis for free anymore here. They tried to go down the twitch route for example for around a year foe the TTBL but ended up as sellout for DYN for which you have to pay again to watch table tennis.
Sorry but this is beyond retarded on many levels.

Simple example: esports is around 10 years old with viewer counts in the millions. You never had to pay a single dollar to watch games anywhere. The viewercount increased and with them the sponsorships came and they could pay themselves out. Why the fuck is every tabltennis instituition so full of shit that they cant do this right.
The moment the ppl get to know about the ttbl on twitch and more viewer joined (from around 100-200 to 1k-2k depending on the match) they moved away from twitch and now you can pay for a dumbfuck abo. Good luck with getting the sport anywhere this way.
 
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Tennis star Quadri worried about African Games, Singapore Smash schedules
https://gazettengr.com/tennis-star-quadri-worried-about-african-games-singapore-smash-schedules/
Table Tennis: Aruna Raises Alarm Over Clash In African Games, Singapore Smash
https://leadership.ng/table-tennis-aruna-raises-alarm-over-clash-in-african-games-singapore-smash/
Aruna raises alarm over clash of African Games, Singapore Smash
https://blueprint.ng/aruna-raises-alarm-over-clash-of-african-games-singapore-smash/

Abiodun was late for WTTC 2024 and got a ZPP as well. Something smells fishy here.

I think I commented on this on TTD before.
African Games (same as Asian Games level) was delayed by a year, because of the host nations internal problem.
But the new delayed date was known for over 12 months ahead of time.

WTT went to schedule Singapore Smash to overlap during the period of African Games.
African Games host nation has problems with venue for TT, so it doesn't help with the scheduling (if it was a 1st world tt nation, problem wouldn't exist and Aruna could possibly play in both)

but to cut the long story short, either the dates could be avoided and Aruna played in both, back to back (which will lead to injuries) or one should of avoided another totally out of respect.

Since African Games is directly under Olympic Games and same value as that of Asian Games per se, and its date was made public in March 2023 already, it would been politically correct for WTT to avoid having such a high level event (WTT's highest competition) in the same period of one of the continental games.

If it was any other continent having its continental games, I'm sure WTT would avoid it. So, this does add a lot of sourness.
 
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It’s shocking to hear that wtt has not paid the prize money for so many tournaments. WTT overall just makes tt worse in every aspect
one international player (from a non tier 1 TT country) told me he had to wait around 3 months to get paid.
Long past the date he had to pay his credit card for his bills to go and play
 
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True but they still wanted to improve way more than they did. And by trying they made many circumstances worse than before.

WTT treats the players, its institution and the sport as it is leveled with Tennis, although we lack the huge sponsorship, viewerbase and infrastructure.
But these issues run deep, because it goes down to national level as well (at least in europe).
You cant watch prolevel tabletennis for free anymore here. They tried to go down the twitch route for example for around a year foe the TTBL but ended up as sellout for DYN for which you have to pay again to watch table tennis.
Sorry but this is beyond retarded on many levels.

Simple example: esports is around 10 years old with viewer counts in the millions. You never had to pay a single dollar to watch games anywhere. The viewercount increased and with them the sponsorships came and they could pay themselves out. Why the fuck is every tabltennis instituition so full of shit that they cant do this right.
The moment the ppl get to know about the ttbl on twitch and more viewer joined (from around 100-200 to 1k-2k depending on the match) they moved away from twitch and now you can pay for a dumbfuck abo. Good luck with getting the sport anywhere this way.
I proposed this idea of using Twitch for streaming events to a domestic leader over here and got met with silence! I had a whole pitch based on how Twitch works + how other esports teams were using TT as a casual competitive game. Granted, their streams for tournaments on YouTube are pretty good outside of not having commentators to constantly queue up hype for the next game. Having storylines to build up the events for a more casual audience is something that's definitely lacking and is really needed outside of the need for access.

A big disconnect that I see is that there's a lot of interest in playing the sport from YT channels (TTD, Adam Bobrow, Pongfinity, etc.), but I hardly see a channel that can hype up storylines for a cycle. I watch Weightlifting House for Olympic Weightlifting and they do a really good job of giving an outsider view of the stories that are going into the Olympic cycle. This is a sport where there's some Chinese dominance depending on what weight classes you look at, but you can still see the personal struggles and shortcomings that others are going through to make it to the Olympics.
 
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I proposed this idea of using Twitch for streaming events to a domestic leader over here and got met with silence! I had a whole pitch based on how Twitch works + how other esports teams were using TT as a casual competitive game. Granted, their streams for tournaments on YouTube are pretty good outside of not having commentators to constantly queue up hype for the next game. Having storylines to build up the events for a more casual audience is something that's definitely lacking and is really needed outside of the need for access.

A big disconnect that I see is that there's a lot of interest in playing the sport from YT channels (TTD, Adam Bobrow, Pongfinity, etc.), but I hardly see a channel that can hype up storylines for a cycle. I watch Weightlifting House for Olympic Weightlifting and they do a really good job of giving an outsider view of the stories that are going into the Olympic cycle. This is a sport where there's some Chinese dominance depending on what weight classes you look at, but you can still see the personal struggles and shortcomings that others are going through to make it to the Olympics.
Story telling is a huge part of audience interest in anything. It is to me insane that something with as many interesting storylines as Incheon gets videos uploaded late. They can do a much better job with those videos as well, presenting the players rankings before the match, talking about goals or points won etc. I know it is work, but to sell things, you have to work!
 
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I proposed this idea of using Twitch for streaming events to a domestic leader over here and got met with silence! I had a whole pitch based on how Twitch works + how other esports teams were using TT as a casual competitive game. Granted, their streams for tournaments on YouTube are pretty good outside of not having commentators to constantly queue up hype for the next game. Having storylines to build up the events for a more casual audience is something that's definitely lacking and is really needed outside of the need for access.

A big disconnect that I see is that there's a lot of interest in playing the sport from YT channels (TTD, Adam Bobrow, Pongfinity, etc.), but I hardly see a channel that can hype up storylines for a cycle. I watch Weightlifting House for Olympic Weightlifting and they do a really good job of giving an outsider view of the stories that are going into the Olympic cycle. This is a sport where there's some Chinese dominance depending on what weight classes you look at, but you can still see the personal struggles and shortcomings that others are going through to make it to the Olympics.
Twitch deletes streams after 30 days though.
 
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Story telling is a huge part of audience interest in anything. It is to me insane that something with as many interesting storylines as Incheon gets videos uploaded late. They can do a much better job with those videos as well, presenting the players rankings before the match, talking about goals or points won etc. I know it is work, but to sell things, you have to work!
It's very telling that I have to find some ripped edited stream on Youtube to watch matches that happened while I'm asleep. I wanted to watch FZD vs Hugo and they were only on Hugo vs Alexis for uploads. Their media workflow is something that needs to be addressed, but I understand if they hardly have enough editors.

I think there's definitely a lot of space for an insider unrelated to WTT to do a lot of behind the scenes insights into the training these players are going through, or give us some historical context as to how the game has progressed/progressing (similar to one of my new favorite channels on YT: Baseball Doesn't Exist). There's so much focus on technology and equipment and that will always be there for consumption, but concise documentation into everything else that goes on at the highest level is something that's missing.

Twitch deletes streams after 30 days though.
Something that I've seen others do is just have their stream on Twitch and then have edited VODs on their YouTube that's made to promote their Twitch. And you can do the same for YT streams -> YT videos -> YT streams. It's pretty synergistic, but definitely a lot more effort.
 
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It's very telling that I have to find some ripped edited stream on Youtube to watch matches that happened while I'm asleep. I wanted to watch FZD vs Hugo and they were only on Hugo vs Alexis for uploads. Their media workflow is something that needs to be addressed, but I understand if they hardly have enough editors.

I think there's definitely a lot of space for an insider unrelated to WTT to do a lot of behind the scenes insights into the training these players are going through, or give us some historical context as to how the game has progressed/progressing (similar to one of my new favorite channels on YT: Baseball Doesn't Exist). There's so much focus on technology and equipment and that will always be there for consumption, but concise documentation into everything else that goes on at the highest level is something that's missing.


Something that I've seen others do is just have their stream on Twitch and then have edited VODs on their YouTube that's made to promote their Twitch. And you can do the same for YT streams -> YT videos -> YT streams. It's pretty synergistic, but definitely a lot more effort.
They drove away many video editors by using copyright claims to get channels shutdown and got some of the best ones to work with them. When you work with people with these tactics, you never know when you will get used to get money - if they are not playing players, they may not be paying youtube collaborators either.
 
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Pretty sure for a while now they have been using AI to edit the highlights. Would explain why they skip so many points and the hand shaking. Would be nice to know from ttlondon2012 if he still cuts videos for them.
Why does the highlights come out before the full match? It makes sense for the match just to be clipped from the stream then posted, rather than an editted version released first. Someone explain?
 
I have said a few times, if this sport wasn't propped up by China in part because it is an Olympic sport, it would be dead by now.
True, and the day that 2 Indian material female players or male players end up in the top 10 the same thing is going to happen. Either they are going to ban it or they are going to market something even more extreme and regulate that or do they veto.
 
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I spoke to a handful of players today, everyone I spoke to is currently owed prize money by WTT. Some dates back as far as ITTF Mixed Team World Cup last December and spans multiple events totaling many thousands of dollars. It’s really not a good look right now and you have to question whether WTT has either liquidity or overall financial problems…
 
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I spoke to a handful of players today, everyone I spoke to is currently owed prize money by WTT. Some dates back as far as ITTF Mixed Team World Cup last December and spans multiple events totaling many thousands of dollars. It’s really not a good look right now and you have to question whether WTT has either liquidity or overall financial problems…
The prize money is from the sponsors, and I assume the host countries would pay for a lot of fees. What financial crisis can WTT go through? Big fat salaries for the officers?
 
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The prize money is from the sponsors, and I assume the host countries would pay for a lot of fees. What financial crisis can WTT go through? Big fat salaries for the officers?
Well the sponsors are expecting WTT to deliver what they promised. That’s 4 grand smashes and 4 Champions plus whatever quota of star contenders, contenders and feeders. They haven’t done that so far since their launch in 2021.

It would be ample reason for sponsors to withhold payments. It also seems to me that since January there has been much more of a scramble from WTT to try and schedule the Grand Smash and Champions events, which begs the question of whether they are lacking in sponsorship revenues which they need to pay prize monies. Just my theory.
 
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Wow, the unevenly distributed prize money and mandatory participation was already bad enough, but delaying payments and punishing players for being sick really shows that WTT is just another rotting capitalistic corporation. They better fix this soon before more systemic problems rear their ugly heads down the road. Also fix that stupid ranking/seeding system and implement separation by association while they're at it if they really care about promoting TT as a global sport.
It's not about being capitalistic or distribution of prize money. It's that these mfs don't put themselves in the players shoes, by the time they realise what they did wrong they will be chased out of the office with pitchforks.
 
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