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WTTC Finals Doha 2025 MS QF
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ITTF World Table Tennis Championships Finals 2019 - 2025
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Why do the chinese fans not cheer for lin shidong. In every game they are for the other Chinese player or they just shout go Team China. It´s so strange for me. I hope Hugo can get to the final, would be a great rematch
I think its because Liang and Wang are older players and have managed to build a fanbase. Lin is 5 years younger than Wang and 8 younger than Liang. At least that's the explanation I heard from some Chinese people.
 
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Interestingly, WCQ and SYS will play first two games in the morning session, and then will also play the first game of the afternoon section. They will only have less than 3 hours for the mixed double final. This means they need to get rid of their opponents as fast as possible with a dominant rythm, or maybe reserving their energies for making history in the afternoon. Both ways will benefit their oponents. What a "smart" move from ITTF for arranging such a "great" schedule lol.
 
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I think its because Liang and Wang are older players and have managed to build a fanbase. Lin is 5 years younger than Wang and 8 younger than Liang. At least that's the explanation I heard from some Chinese people.
Many chinese fans blame LSD for not giving his 100% for mixed double and men's double. But I think this attitude from (ShaTou's) fans began after Chinese Super League when Lin said all the fans were there for WCQ and he felt uncomfortable. After that in Singapore Smash they also blamed LSD for playing under his true level in double, with serial of videos targeting his "attitude". LSD has been accused of having "star attitude" since then. In the semi final of World Cup he was also criticized by fans because of bad manners toward referees. Well, that's all I know.
 
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Togami is immaculate when it comes to fast loop exchange within his reach. Truls isn't going to beat t\Togami in that kind of game.

Looking at the results of the games, I have finally come to the conclusion that to beat CNT, you must use different kind of equipment than them if you are around the same level. Playing with is detrimental because the CNT are used to play against H3, D09C, Innerforce like, and Viscaria like. lol

WCQ vs Truls is like ML vs ZJK lite. WCQ is superb in tours but in big tournaments he often came short. Truls thrives in big tournaments much like ZJK but his technique isn't as polished as ZJK.

Hugo vs LJK will be a good match. Hugo lost to him back in US in a game where he dominated LJK for a good part of the game. LJK has also improved in equipment, lol. His new blade will sell like hotcakes if he takes this tournament. WIn-win situation for both.
 
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Togami is immaculate when it comes to fast loop exchange within his reach. Truls isn't going to beat t\Togami in that kind of game.

Looking at the results of the games, I have finally come to the conclusion that to beat CNT, you must use different kind of equipment than them if you are around the same level. Playing with is detrimental because the CNT are used to play against H3, D09C, Innerforce like, and Viscaria like. lol

Togami is truly immaculate when it comes to fast loop exchange. Alas, hit wits are nowhere near Truls who is good in everything but nothing immaculate in one area save for wits. I expect a 4-0 or 4-2 win for WCQ against Truls.

Hugo vs LJK will be a good match. Hugo lost to him back in US in a game where he dominated LJK for a good part of the game. LJK has also improved in equipment, lol. His new blade will sell like hotcakes if he takes this tournament. WIn-win situation for both.
The current crop of CNT players is quite beatable if things are right, but you have to play a high quality game. The plastic balls have democratized the game a little, spin is not as dangerous as it used to be and hybrid rubbers have reduced the difference between Chinese rubbers and European/Japanese rubbers. That said, if the CNT develops another generation of super players, good luck. This window with the retirement of Ma Long and Fan Zhendong and the evolution of Hugo and eventually the Lebruns should make 2028 a bit more open. After that, who really knows, some of yhe younger talents especially the other lefties would have come of age and it might get harder again.
 
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Why do the chinese fans not cheer for lin shidong. In every game they are for the other Chinese player or they just shout go Team China. It´s so strange for me. I hope Hugo can get to the final, would be a great rematch
In addition to everything else mentioned, they feel he's the biggest threat to WCQ becoming and maintaining WR#1.
 
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In addition to everything else mentioned, they feel he's the biggest threat to WCQ becoming and maintaining WR#1.
Not “in addition to”, but that’s the only reason they cheer for LJK. LSD is the only real threat to their GeGe After fzd drops out international tours. Adam mentioned in his commentary that LJK got cheers because he‘s a good friend of WCQ is totally wrong.
 
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The current crop of CNT players is quite beatable if things are right, but you have to play a high quality game. The plastic balls have democratized the game a little, spin is not as dangerous as it used to be and hybrid rubbers have reduced the difference between Chinese rubbers and European/Japanese rubbers. That said, if the CNT develops another generation of super players, good luck. This window with the retirement of Ma Long and Fan Zhendong and the evolution of Hugo and eventually the Lebruns should make 2028 a bit more open. After that, who really knows, some of yhe younger talents especially the other lefties would have come of age and it might get harder again.
The sentence they are beatable if things are right actually only applied to the likes of ML, ZJK, FZD. They were so strong that the only way to defeat them is if things are right for their opponents. I think it's another way to see that WCQ and LSD are just comparable to them. LGY, LJK, ZQH, etc are pretty much beatable.
 
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Important to keep in mind that even though he won't get a medal in MS, at least Togami put himself in contention. He and Shinozuka are guaranteed at least a silver by making the finals of MD. Some credit should also be given to his new coach, Jin Ueda.
 
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The sentence they are beatable if things are right actually only applied to the likes of ML, ZJK, FZD. They were so strong that the only way to defeat them is if things are right for their opponents. I think it's another way to see that WCQ and LSD are just comparable to them. LGY, LJK, ZQH, etc are pretty much beatable.
LJK has always delivered at the WTTC though he faces by far his biggest task tomorrow (by the way, was it me or was he practicing some backspin - no spin Ma Long serves against LSD)...

And neither WCQ and LSD have the unbeatable consistency of Ma Long (and to a lesser degree Zhang Jike and Xu Xin) but LSD is only 20 so he is completely fine in this regard. WCQ has a confounding evolution, but he has lost enough times at important tournaments even if not the WTTC that I wouldn't consider him unbeatable.

I agree with you on those other than LJK.
 
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Important to keep in mind that even though he won't get a medal in MS, at least Togami put himself in contention. He and Shinozuka are guaranteed at least a silver by making the finals of MD. Some credit should also be given to his new coach, Jin Ueda.
I think Togami gets credit for replicating his form in Japan and TTBL. I deduct points for his inflexibility. Beating Truls was the first really different thing he had to do that he wouldn't have done in the TTBL or Japan and he messed it up, playing well to take the lead but showing the inability to control points without using his speed/power tool and failing to win just using that speed/power. So I am personally still neutral on him and hopeful. The doubles medal is what it is, I don't expect them to beat the Lebruns or Lin-Kao and if they don't, I suspect the draw favored them.
 
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Many chinese fans blame LSD for not giving his 100% for mixed double and men's double. But I think this attitude from (ShaTou's) fans began after Chinese Super League when Lin said all the fans were there for WCQ and he felt uncomfortable. After that in Singapore Smash they also blamed LSD for playing under his true level in double, with serial of videos targeting his "attitude". LSD has been accused of having "star attitude" since then. In the semi final of World Cup he was also criticized by fans because of bad manners toward referees. Well, that's all I know.
in other words, these chinese fans are non stop moaners
 
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They should work on the fine detail of the serve and 3rd ball and vice versa the receive and 4th ball, like what Harimoto has touched on, when to push (to rein others in) and when to loop (to rein yourself in). In Chinese, 前三板處理粗糙 (rough handling of the first 3 strokes).

Still far from KNT players when it comes to that aspect.
This point at 7:8 of G6 (notwithstanding the ball clipping the net) is what Harimoto talked about. Moregard won those crucial points over the table. Togami couldn't hold back and pushed the ball instead of dropping it short. And Togami had to push to Moregard's BH rather than his middle to make him hesitate to use his FH (do I commit to FH or use BH?). Same issue at 9:9. Compare that to Moregard at 9:10, a mirror-image point where he pushed to Togami's middle instead. Togami did the right thing at 8:9 and Moregard missed the FH step-around. He needed more of that.
https://youtu.be/Wx7zLHZZbwU?t=10321

Togami dominated in the 大路球, literally big-road balls or open game, but Moregard more than made up in the 小路球, literally small-road balls or closed game. As long as Togami does not overcome this deficiency, he will be stuck in this vicious circle.

Below is a short article on the topic by national sports senior coach 戴临中 from 2007.

谈大路球与小路球 (On big-road balls and small-road balls)
https://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5517216a0100094u.html
就业余球手来说,我们可以从练习的角度通俗的把技术分成两类,一类是大路球,另一类是小路球。



大路球是指单一的技术动作和基本的结合技术,比如,拉、攻、推、突、扣、削等,结合技术包括连续的拉打、左右两边的摆速技术、推挡侧身、下旋起球与相持技术的衔接等。



小路球是指那些需要在旋转、节奏、落点、力量、速度、步法等方面需要调整或修正的击球方式。



由此可以看出,大路球是小路球的基础,小路球是大路球的延伸。如果大路球的技术基础不好,小路球就失去了拓展的空间。要使自己的小路球有所提高,就需要先把大路球练好,但掌握了一定的大路球技术后,就要让大路球在小路球的练习中得到体现,这就是训练的一条基本的经验和规律。



我们可以发现,我们常说的“练习型”的选手,大多是大路球好而小路球差,练习起来球十分漂亮,但一到比赛,却怎么也发挥不出来,最根本的原因,就是大路球与小路球之间缺乏联系,少有对接。



我们所说的基本功,不要理解为就是指大路球,而同样也包括小路球。没有小路球的过渡,大路球就谈不上发挥。业余球手与专业球手的区别,不仅仅是在大路球的差距上,更主要的还是在小路球的处理上。



大路球需要的是协调、速度和力量,更多的是依赖技能,小路球靠的是意识、反应和灵性,突出表现的是技巧。只有当技能转化为技巧,你的技术水平才算跃上了一个新的台阶。



我发现大家在讨论技术动作的时候对动作的外部特征十分注意,当然这是无可非议的,但是,在讨论什么情况下使用什么样的技术,或在变化中使用某一种技术,究竟这种技术需要有什么样的变化时,就显得明显的不足。要树立这样一个观点,任何一种已经定型技术,在不同的情况下运用起来,都会发生一些必须的变化。没有变化的技术动作,在比赛中是根本不存在的。如果你没有任何变化或不会变化,就说明你的基本功还没有达到炉火纯青的地步。



有了上述认识,回过头来反思一下我们的练习,是不是有重视大路球的练习,而忽略了小路球的练习呢?
For amateur players, we can generally divide the skills into two categories from the perspective of practice, one is the big-road ball and the other is the small-road ball.

Big-road balls refer to the individual technical strokes and basic combo skills, such as the loop, drive/hit, TPB, thrust [an old-school type of drive against backspin balls], smash, chop, etc. Combo skills include the linking of: continuous loop and hit, left-and-right transitioning skills, TPB and step-around, and backspin openers and rallying skills.

Small-road balls refer to those impact methods that need to be adjusted or corrected in terms of rotation, rhythm, placement, strength, speed, footwork, etc.

From this, it can be seen that big-road balls are the basis of small-road balls, and small-road balls are the extension of big-road balls. If the technical foundation of big-road balls is not good, the small-road balls will lose the room for expansion. To improve your small-road balls, you need to practice big-road balls first, but after mastering certain skills of big-road balls, you must let big-road balls be reflected in the practice of small-road balls. This is a basic experience and principle of training.

We can find that most of the so-called "practice-type" players are good at big-road balls but poor at small-road balls. They play beautifully in practice, but they can't play well in competitions. The most fundamental reason is that there is a lack of connection and little bridging between big-road balls and small-road balls.

The basic skills we mentioned should not be understood as referring to big-road balls, but also include small-road balls. Without the transition of small-road balls, big-road balls cannot be put to use. The difference between amateur players and professional players is not only in the gap between big-road balls, but more importantly in the handling of small-road balls.

Big-road balls require coordination, speed and strength, and rely more on capabilities. Small-road balls rely on consciousness, reaction and flash of inspiration, and highlight skillfullness. Only when capabilities are transformed into skillfulness, can your technical level be regarded as a leap to the next level.

I found that when discussing technical strokes, most people pay great attention to the external characteristics of the strokes. Of course, this is beyond reproach. However, when discussing what kind of skills to use in what situation, or using a certain skill as a variation, what kind of variations this skill needs, it becomes apparently insufficient. We need to establish such a view that any established skill will undergo some necessary variations when used in different situations. Technical strokes without variations do not exist in competitions. If you do not have any variations or cannot vary, it means that your basic skills have not reached the level of perfection.

With the above understanding, let's reflect on our practice. Have we emphasized the practice of big-road balls and ignored the practice of small-road balls?
 
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Putting LJK in that sentence.. Bruh, do you even watch table tennis?
Since 1 Jan 2024, LJK has loss 11 times to foreigners.

Harimoto
Duda
Noshad x 2
Huang YC
ANJ x 2
Qiu Dang x 2
Hugo
Kallberg
 
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