Just Butterfly Glayzer (on backhand)

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I guess the title says a lot why someone should use Glayzer on backhand side over most other rubbers.

First of all if you like something else already then use that. You know how to play H3 on BH or D09c on BH... use those. You mastered Tenergy 05 and random ESN 48degree rubber... use those. I don't think you are wrong I like H3N on BH and V>15Extra as well so I get it.

So what can Glayzer offer? Good price. 45EUR is very reasonable price nowadays. It has reasonable weight, around 49g cut to a blade at max thickness. That is not bad at all saying some ESN rubber are above 50g for same cut size.
It uses spring sponge x which is probably the best air capsule sponge of any manufacturer. Why is that good? It has air cells inside the sponge and to my experience spring sponge x retains the air pressure inside the tiny capsules the longest time. In layman experience it would make this sponge type the most elastic of all available sponges. (and if you have some tools to put the sponge under over pressure you can fill these air capsules up to required air pressure to achieve best elasticity for yourself and spring sponge x will retain this desired capusle pressure for longest to my experience)

The topsheet has similar grip as Dignics. Compared to Tenergy the Dignics tophseet grip is porabably its best property and Glayzer has the Dignics grip level. Why is the extra grip good? You can manipulate the ball more as you wish. More thinner contact, more fast contact, more flat contact and you can combine these as you wish.

I like the Glayzer on my backhand since I can do better banana flicks, I can do more agressive serve receive pushes on my BH side than most ESN, Chinese or Tenergy rubbers. Because of the better grip I feel confident to dare to try more thin contacts (agains spin) because i have the confidence in the rubber not slipping me into the net.
During blocks I feel I can impart a bit of topsin on the ball insted of just flat blocking which makes my opponent miss shots since the spin does speed the ball up on table contact.
If I step back and I get very heavy topspins I feel I can contact thin and use the friction of the rubber to counter the spin of the ball which I don't feel with other rubbers. This does creates BH counters that look like Liang Jingkun does, it feel amazing over the table.
If you are in a rally and someone spams your backhand (which I get a lot) now with Glayzer I feel like I give it back some spins and make the ball kick on table to throw my opponents timing off. This works great but also this grip of the rubber keeps me in play longer.

And just don't think for a second that if you buy this you will counter every open up spinny loop 100% or rip from 3 meters away all the time. You still need a strategy and you need to choose the right shot for your situation, but at least you know the rubber has the grip to allow it. And maybe because of this you make 3-4 less mistakes per set that might give you the match.

I've been trying to convert to Chinese style backhand with Glayzer and during this journey I have tried some shots that normally I wouldn't have dared and I did them agains ex provincial Chinese or actual provincial Chinese players and many were successful and that feels good as hell. Even if you do it against the 8th best in the village and 3rd best in your family it feels good.

I welcome most advanced players to get a Glayzer and try it and if you played with ESN or Chinese before what is your expereince with the grip, durability, speed, spin etc because I sure as hell feel it's very close to Dignics performance and much better than Tenergy in many ways (for less price).
 
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45 eur is a bit high.
you can get nuzn the best andro rubber for same price right now (on sale).
there's also rozena which is even cheaper.
I didn't really wanna let the Genie out of the bottle but I can get the Glayzer for 26-7EUR on taobao. So I will just consider that Nuzn is ~60EUR and Glayzer 45EUR and not go for extremes.
 
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do you use glayzer 09c on your backhand or a different one? I used D09C on my backhand for over a year and recently switched to a 38 prov h3n. i mostly made the switch because i was looking for a cheaper alternative. I can get dignics 09c for $72, and my local shop sells glayzer for $44. Do you think the glayzer is a better bang for the buck?
 
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I slapped on a G09C on my BH once upon a time. Lost to an Asian Obasan ( Auntie ). Took it out immediately after the session and went back to my beloved ESN(s). Never look back again.
 
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45 eur is a bit high.
you can get nuzn the best andro rubber for same price right now (on sale).
there's also rozena which is even cheaper.

A normal Sriver was 37 DM in 1985/1986 1) which were according to the Deutsche Bundesbank (central bank) 37 * 1.07 or 39.59 Euro in 2024. A Tackniness C or D was 44 DM back than or 47.08 Euro in 2024.

1) https://forum.tt-news.de/showpost.php?p=870836&postcount=24
2) https://www.bundesbank.de/resource/...her-betraege-in-deutschen-waehrungen-data.pdf
 
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A normal Sriver was 37 DM in 1985/1986 1) which were according to the Deutsche Bundesbank (central bank) 37 * 1.07 or 39.59 Euro in 2024. A Tackniness C or D was 44 DM back than or 47.08 Euro in 2024.

1) https://forum.tt-news.de/showpost.php?p=870836&postcount=24
2) https://www.bundesbank.de/resource/...her-betraege-in-deutschen-waehrungen-data.pdf


Sriver cost $29

 
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do you use glayzer 09c on your backhand or a different one? I used D09C on my backhand for over a year and recently switched to a 38 prov h3n. i mostly made the switch because i was looking for a cheaper alternative. I can get dignics 09c for $72, and my local shop sells glayzer for $44. Do you think the glayzer is a better bang for the buck?
It's certainly better bang for the buck. I played D09c FH and D64 BH before, I think normal Glayzer for BH is very good bang for the buck but also probably one of the best rubbers one can get in general.
The thing is Glayzer has about the same grip as Dignics. If you have the grip it's mostly on you what you can do. Probably Glayzer is a bit easier to use since it's a bit softer too... I would say it's really good for more passive play since you can control the opponents spin and speed quite well, but the rubber can generate its own speed and spin very well too.

I slapped on a G09C on my BH once upon a time. Lost to an Asian Obasan ( Auntie ). Took it out immediately after the session and went back to my beloved ESN(s). Never look back again.
That's just shame. Never ever loose to aunties, that's just poor form.

I wonder why the normal Glayzer is that heavy (Inspira Plus should have a normal head size) because the two Glayzer 09C (both red, both 2.1mm) that I had were much lighter. 99g to 100g incl. packaging and cut to normal/Butterfly head size 43g to 44g
Inspira plus has larger head size than normal, 158x151ish but doesn't warrant 2-3g difference. Actually I'm counting it together with the glue since that's the only proper measurement I have without taking off the rubber and peeling the glue. So maybe around 47g without glue. 44-43 I have never had, not even with D64 which is lighter.
 
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How is the Glayzer on bh compared to Mantra Pro M?
Less bouncy, more grip, more durable. Mantra Pro M more easy to use. Mantra Pro M is more fun to use.
Glayzer more capable against higher level players.
 
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What blade do you use the Glayzer on the BH? How is the throw angle? What is your opinion on the Glayzer hardness, compared to something like a Fastarc G1?
I used it on Stiga Inspira Plus and now XIom Ice Cream AZX on the Zylon carbon side. The throw angle is quite high, which is why I like it on more fast and forward playing blades.
It's harder than G-1 but with the right technique the topsheet becomes quite soft and stretchy. More so than G-1 can change

Grip is amazing, same as Dignics.
 
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I used it on Stiga Inspira Plus and now XIom Ice Cream AZX on the Zylon carbon side. The throw angle is quite high, which is why I like it on more fast and forward playing blades.
It's harder than G-1 but with the right technique the topsheet becomes quite soft and stretchy. More so than G-1 can change

Grip is amazing, same as Dignics.
Great, thanks for the response. So, I am assuming it would work equally well on the ZQH90 Blade as well? I guess you were using it before.
 
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Less bouncy, more grip, more durable. Mantra Pro M more easy to use. Mantra Pro M is more fun to use.
Glayzer more capable against higher level players.
That's the oposite of my impression with the glayzer on BH. Granted my backhand is not my strongest skill but it felt too bouncy, mainly compared to the Mantra Pro M. Grip is indeed amazing. Might try it again.
 
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Here is my flame into the fire - I actually had Mantra Pro M on one side and Glayzer on the other of a Viscaria for a while about a year ago. The Mantra Pro was in max thickness (only one available here) and the Glayzer in 1.9. I recall the Mantra to be clearly softer, bouncier and definitely faster, at least on low impact. I had a really hard time controlling it.
Glayzer is of Dignics-type - grippy, not super-duper fast and with a hard feel. Short game is great and everything lands on the table but you've got to hit hard right into the sweet spot to get that beast-killing-shot. The Mantra is more like a Tenergy - bouncy, service recieves pops up for the opponent to smash but when you are ready to kill your opponent will not survive. So it is, as Zwill said, fun.
 
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Here is my flame into the fire - I actually had Mantra Pro M on one side and Glayzer on the other of a Viscaria for a while about a year ago. The Mantra Pro was in max thickness (only one available here) and the Glayzer in 1.9. I recall the Mantra to be clearly softer, bouncier and definitely faster, at least on low impact. I had a really hard time controlling it.
Glayzer is of Dignics-type - grippy, not super-duper fast and with a hard feel. Short game is great and everything lands on the table but you've got to hit hard right into the sweet spot to get that beast-killing-shot. The Mantra is more like a Tenergy - bouncy, service recieves pops up for the opponent to smash but when you are ready to kill your opponent will not survive. So it is, as Zwill said, fun.
Thank you. I might have to try that again. I never though Mantra to be bouncy, in fact i do think its the opposite. But i'm interested in testing Glayzer again, the sheet i bought was used and it might been afected by other stuff.
 
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