Just Butterfly Glayzer (on backhand)

[Kilogramme]

Played with Glayzer on both wings the last year for a while, then switched to T19 and for the past 6 months it's D80.

I would describe Glayzer as "excellent topsheet, bad sponge", as it's very stable but hard to finish points against solid opponents. It's much closer to Dignics than to Tenergy, and it's probably the most durable rubber I've tried to this day (maybe except unboosted Yinhe Jupiter 2).
I also tried 2-year old Glayzer on a clubmate's blade--although it looked like a worn out rag and the sponge was dead, the topsheet gripped the ball better than most new ESN rubbers.
The lack of dynamics is crucial tho - I would rate spin of D09C/D05 as 9.5-10, Tenergy 19 as 8, MK Hybrid as 7.5, and Glayzer as 5 at best. It's very easy to achieve this spin but it's also not hard to block.
Speed is better though, also easily achievable and around 7/10.

In short, Glayzer can't be compared against the above-mentioned rubbers, only Dignics 05 is somewhat close but the spin difference couldn't be bigger.

Glayzer is good for serve receive, blocks, pushes and medium-power drives. If it had a higher arc, I would say it's an excellent rubber given it's price/durability. But with its low arc it's just a medium rubber overall, only suitable for backhand in its niche.

How can you compare T19/D80 and Glayzer?

 

[Angerer]

As anyone played Glayzer (normal) and tenergy 19, to compare a bit ?

Wait, wasn't it you who asked?

 

[Kilogramme]

Wait, wasn't it you who asked?

I did, but you talked about D05 and 09C, so i got confused about everything you said. I never played any dignics, or Glayzer. My only reference is T19 on the BTY catalog. I did play with H3 37 or H8-80, and Rakza Z, but too far from an ESN to compare them.

 

[job59]

Hm. On Monday, I made a freaky try. During the weekend, I boostered an old D09c with 2 layers. It curved very well. This rubber was astonishing well on my BH. Very good feeling while blocking heavy topspin from a lefty. Good control in general, plus maybe 10 % on top of my very strong backspin. Opening TS also very spinny. As I only played double matches that evening, I had no TS ralleys with my backhand. So …?

Is Glayzer 09c really that weaker? Poor sponge and less grip than my Hybrid MK?

I think, that D09c is 1.9. How huge is the difference to a 2.1?

TIA

 

[dprsspins]

My first real setup after premade was a Falcima with Glayzer09C forehand and Glayzer backhand. After crossing the beginner stage I went to try rubbers from other brands like DHS, Stiga, Xiom and Nittaku, and even from the same brand. I eventually circled back to Glayzer/Glayzer09C. Only last year I upgraded my forehand to Tenergy05 due to coach advice.

Personally it's the unique feel of the spring sponge X and the distinctive Dignic/Glayzer thick, rubbery topsheets that keeps me in. They give me so much control and dwell. While speed maybe a little lackluster, the amount of spin I can produce with them is game changing and usually point-deciding. It could be topspin, flicks, or chops, the Glayzer family won't dissapoint when it comes to winning with spin. It's also really consistent in serve and receive, which is what an intermediate player like me really appreciates (my club is full of elderly players who serves really spinny)

My verdict is that if you can generate your own power and love to win with spin, or play all round and love sustained rallies, then the Glayzer series won't disappoint. They are good for learning too, as the dwell and control is pretty good. I would actually recommend Glayzer over Rozena for beginners, as Rozena is quite bouncy for beginners and can mask technique problems with easy catapult.

 

[Angerer]

My first real setup after premade was a Falcima with Glayzer09C forehand and Glayzer backhand. After crossing the beginner stage I went to try rubbers from other brands like DHS, Stiga, Xiom and Nittaku, and even from the same brand. I eventually circled back to Glayzer/Glayzer09C. Only last year I upgraded my forehand to Tenergy05 due to coach advice.

Personally it's the unique feel of the spring sponge X and the distinctive Dignic/Glayzer thick, rubbery topsheets that keeps me in. They give me so much control and dwell. While speed maybe a little lackluster, the amount of spin I can produce with them is game changing and usually point-deciding. It could be topspin, flicks, or chops, the Glayzer family won't dissapoint when it comes to winning with spin. It's also really consistent in serve and receive, which is what an intermediate player like me really appreciates (my club is full of elderly players who serves really spinny)

My verdict is that if you can generate your own power and love to win with spin, or play all round and love sustained rallies, then the Glayzer series won't disappoint. They are good for learning too, as the dwell and control is pretty good. I would actually recommend Glayzer over Rozena for beginners, as Rozena is quite bouncy for beginners and can mask technique problems with easy catapult.

I can agree about G09C, with enough strenght you can produce solid spin--the dwell and arc are excellent. The normal Glayzer lacks dwell and arc/spin, and with a much softer sponge it's all about controlling the ball rather than scoring.

 

[Angerer]

Hm. On Monday, I made a freaky try. During the weekend, I boostered an old D09c with 2 layers. It curved very well. This rubber was astonishing well on my BH. Very good feeling while blocking heavy topspin from a lefty. Good control in general, plus maybe 10 % on top of my very strong backspin. Opening TS also very spinny. As I only played double matches that evening, I had no TS ralleys with my backhand. So …?

Is Glayzer 09c really that weaker? Poor sponge and less grip than my Hybrid MK?

I think, that D09c is 1.9. How huge is the difference to a 2.1?

TIA

G09C is slower than MK, the grip is about the same, maybe G09C is even grippier.
The major difference between D09c and G09c is the speed/arc. D09C is more direct, while G09C has a bigger parabola. And G09C is slighly livelier on short touches but noticeably slower than D09C when you engage the sponge.
Spin-wise, they're pretty close, especially given G09C is slightly easier to produce the spin, while D09C has higher maximum spin. In fact, Butterfly rates them as the 4th and 3rd spinniest rubbers they produce.

 

[dprsspins]

I can agree about G09C, with enough strenght you can produce solid spin--the dwell and arc are excellent. The normal Glayzer lacks dwell and arc/spin, and with a much softer sponge it's all about controlling the ball rather than scoring.

Yeah, the G09C is indeed spinnier, but it does require more strength because the tack it has makes it really noticeably slower than the already slow normal Glayzer. I can generate my own power, so the normal Glayzer on forehand, while not spinny enough, can win points from speed sometimes, but not the G09C. If flat driving is the main way to win, G09C is much too safe and while you can definitely land balls on the table, the returns are just not dangerous enough. But if you use G09C to produce spinny arcs as a main way to win points, it will work quite well.

 

[NextLevel]

G09c is a control rubber, it is hard to finish points with it until it loses its tackiness. To me it is a rubber that plays better when it is not tacky. The beat part of D09c is the ability to open on just about any ball, especially on backhand, but to finish points, you will likely need to swing too hard/flat vs other regular Butterfly rubbers. But if you play a flat and control game to mostly keep the ball short and draw the opponent close, G09c might work for you. But for hitting the ball past the opponent and playing fast topspins, there are more natural alternatives. But I think if you use G09c for two to three months and the stickiness wears off, it actually plays better from a speed standpoint. And after that you might be able to get a year out of it.

 

[job59]

G09C is slower than MK, the grip is about the same, maybe G09C is even grippier.
The major difference between D09c and G09c is the speed/arc. D09C is more direct, while G09C has a bigger parabola. And G09C is slighly livelier on short touches but noticeably slower than D09C when you engage the sponge.
Spin-wise, they're pretty close, especially given G09C is slightly easier to produce the spin, while D09C has higher maximum spin. In fact, Butterfly rates them as the 4th and 3rd spinniest rubbers they produce.

Thx.
So, this means to me, as the boostered D09c is the slowest I would like to tolerate, I don’t need to try the G09c.

What about the thickness? Is loosing control<>increasing speed (1.9<>2.1) similar to rubbers like let’s say the Hybrid MK? I like the touch of a thicker rubber on my BH too, but finally it seems, the rise of control with 2.0/1.9 rubber is giving more benefit to my playing, especially in matches.

 

[Angerer]

Thx.
So, this means to me, as the boostered D09c is the slowest I would like to tolerate, I don’t need to try the G09c.

What about the thickness? Is loosing control<>increasing speed (1.9<>2.1) similar to rubbers like let’s say the Hybrid MK? I like the touch of a thicker rubber on my BH too, but finally it seems, the rise of control with 2.0/1.9 rubber is giving more benefit to my playing, especially in matches.

I have only tried D05 1.9m out of the Dignics lineup, and it seemed vastly different from the max thickness--those are different rubbers.

 

[dprsspins]

Played with a Rozena for the past month on outer carbon backhand. Also sometimes played G1 backhand on my spare blade, an inner carbon. Now, I failed to resist the temptation and circled back to Glayzer on the outer carbon backhand. I must say, after getting used to the Rozena and G1, the Glayzer topsheet grip is a gift sent from above.

The Rozena is livelier on punch blocks and lobs but Glayzer isn't too lackluster on that aspect. Minimal adjustment is needed as Glayzer (not 09C) does not lack speed. In this department the G1 feels almost exactly like the Glayzer, but I would say it's in the middle of Rozena and Glayzer. I feel that the G1's topsheet feels softer and it gives more free speed than the Glayzer.

But when opening up short underspin serves with flicks, Glayzer is an entire league above the Rozena. If compared with G1, I actually feel the Glayzer is more capable due to the confidence inspiring topsheet. I don't know why but I can just dig into the topsheet more with the Glayzer, and the ball will just obey.

In terms of feel, the Glayzer spring sponge X clicks feels just as addicting as the Rozena's spring sponge. Glayzer felt more crisp and solid than both Rozena and G1, and that has aid me in precision placement. I wasn't very impressed with the muted ESN feeling G1 gave me, eventhough spec sheet wise the G1 is indeed capable.

For a moment as my Rozena topsheet started to bubble, I was considering Mantra Pro M to replace it. But then I remembered the Glayzer, and read this forum. Got it and will not look back (I hope).