Just Butterfly Glayzer (on backhand)

[Kilogramme]

Played with Glayzer on both wings the last year for a while, then switched to T19 and for the past 6 months it's D80.

I would describe Glayzer as "excellent topsheet, bad sponge", as it's very stable but hard to finish points against solid opponents. It's much closer to Dignics than to Tenergy, and it's probably the most durable rubber I've tried to this day (maybe except unboosted Yinhe Jupiter 2).
I also tried 2-year old Glayzer on a clubmate's blade--although it looked like a worn out rag and the sponge was dead, the topsheet gripped the ball better than most new ESN rubbers.
The lack of dynamics is crucial tho - I would rate spin of D09C/D05 as 9.5-10, Tenergy 19 as 8, MK Hybrid as 7.5, and Glayzer as 5 at best. It's very easy to achieve this spin but it's also not hard to block.
Speed is better though, also easily achievable and around 7/10.

In short, Glayzer can't be compared against the above-mentioned rubbers, only Dignics 05 is somewhat close but the spin difference couldn't be bigger.

Glayzer is good for serve receive, blocks, pushes and medium-power drives. If it had a higher arc, I would say it's an excellent rubber given it's price/durability. But with its low arc it's just a medium rubber overall, only suitable for backhand in its niche.

How can you compare T19/D80 and Glayzer?

 

[Angerer]

As anyone played Glayzer (normal) and tenergy 19, to compare a bit ?

Wait, wasn't it you who asked?

 

[Kilogramme]

Wait, wasn't it you who asked?

I did, but you talked about D05 and 09C, so i got confused about everything you said. I never played any dignics, or Glayzer. My only reference is T19 on the BTY catalog. I did play with H3 37 or H8-80, and Rakza Z, but too far from an ESN to compare them.

 

[job59]

Hm. On Monday, I made a freaky try. During the weekend, I boostered an old D09c with 2 layers. It curved very well. This rubber was astonishing well on my BH. Very good feeling while blocking heavy topspin from a lefty. Good control in general, plus maybe 10 % on top of my very strong backspin. Opening TS also very spinny. As I only played double matches that evening, I had no TS ralleys with my backhand. So …?

Is Glayzer 09c really that weaker? Poor sponge and less grip than my Hybrid MK?

I think, that D09c is 1.9. How huge is the difference to a 2.1?

TIA

 

[dprsspins]

My first real setup after premade was a Falcima with Glayzer09C forehand and Glayzer backhand. After crossing the beginner stage I went to try rubbers from other brands like DHS, Stiga, Xiom and Nittaku, and even from the same brand. I eventually circled back to Glayzer/Glayzer09C. Only last year I upgraded my forehand to Tenergy05 due to coach advice.

Personally it's the unique feel of the spring sponge X and the distinctive Dignic/Glayzer thick, rubbery topsheets that keeps me in. They give me so much control and dwell. While speed maybe a little lackluster, the amount of spin I can produce with them is game changing and usually point-deciding. It could be topspin, flicks, or chops, the Glayzer family won't dissapoint when it comes to winning with spin. It's also really consistent in serve and receive, which is what an intermediate player like me really appreciates (my club is full of elderly players who serves really spinny)

My verdict is that if you can generate your own power and love to win with spin, or play all round and love sustained rallies, then the Glayzer series won't disappoint. They are good for learning too, as the dwell and control is pretty good. I would actually recommend Glayzer over Rozena for beginners, as Rozena is quite bouncy for beginners and can mask technique problems with easy catapult.

 

[Angerer]

My first real setup after premade was a Falcima with Glayzer09C forehand and Glayzer backhand. After crossing the beginner stage I went to try rubbers from other brands like DHS, Stiga, Xiom and Nittaku, and even from the same brand. I eventually circled back to Glayzer/Glayzer09C. Only last year I upgraded my forehand to Tenergy05 due to coach advice.

Personally it's the unique feel of the spring sponge X and the distinctive Dignic/Glayzer thick, rubbery topsheets that keeps me in. They give me so much control and dwell. While speed maybe a little lackluster, the amount of spin I can produce with them is game changing and usually point-deciding. It could be topspin, flicks, or chops, the Glayzer family won't dissapoint when it comes to winning with spin. It's also really consistent in serve and receive, which is what an intermediate player like me really appreciates (my club is full of elderly players who serves really spinny)

My verdict is that if you can generate your own power and love to win with spin, or play all round and love sustained rallies, then the Glayzer series won't disappoint. They are good for learning too, as the dwell and control is pretty good. I would actually recommend Glayzer over Rozena for beginners, as Rozena is quite bouncy for beginners and can mask technique problems with easy catapult.

I can agree about G09C, with enough strenght you can produce solid spin--the dwell and arc are excellent. The normal Glayzer lacks dwell and arc/spin, and with a much softer sponge it's all about controlling the ball rather than scoring.

 

[Angerer]

Hm. On Monday, I made a freaky try. During the weekend, I boostered an old D09c with 2 layers. It curved very well. This rubber was astonishing well on my BH. Very good feeling while blocking heavy topspin from a lefty. Good control in general, plus maybe 10 % on top of my very strong backspin. Opening TS also very spinny. As I only played double matches that evening, I had no TS ralleys with my backhand. So …?

Is Glayzer 09c really that weaker? Poor sponge and less grip than my Hybrid MK?

I think, that D09c is 1.9. How huge is the difference to a 2.1?

TIA

G09C is slower than MK, the grip is about the same, maybe G09C is even grippier.
The major difference between D09c and G09c is the speed/arc. D09C is more direct, while G09C has a bigger parabola. And G09C is slighly livelier on short touches but noticeably slower than D09C when you engage the sponge.
Spin-wise, they're pretty close, especially given G09C is slightly easier to produce the spin, while D09C has higher maximum spin. In fact, Butterfly rates them as the 4th and 3rd spinniest rubbers they produce.

 

[dprsspins]

I can agree about G09C, with enough strenght you can produce solid spin--the dwell and arc are excellent. The normal Glayzer lacks dwell and arc/spin, and with a much softer sponge it's all about controlling the ball rather than scoring.

Yeah, the G09C is indeed spinnier, but it does require more strength because the tack it has makes it really noticeably slower than the already slow normal Glayzer. I can generate my own power, so the normal Glayzer on forehand, while not spinny enough, can win points from speed sometimes, but not the G09C. If flat driving is the main way to win, G09C is much too safe and while you can definitely land balls on the table, the returns are just not dangerous enough. But if you use G09C to produce spinny arcs as a main way to win points, it will work quite well.

 

[NextLevel]

G09c is a control rubber, it is hard to finish points with it until it loses its tackiness. To me it is a rubber that plays better when it is not tacky. The beat part of D09c is the ability to open on just about any ball, especially on backhand, but to finish points, you will likely need to swing too hard/flat vs other regular Butterfly rubbers. But if you play a flat and control game to mostly keep the ball short and draw the opponent close, G09c might work for you. But for hitting the ball past the opponent and playing fast topspins, there are more natural alternatives. But I think if you use G09c for two to three months and the stickiness wears off, it actually plays better from a speed standpoint. And after that you might be able to get a year out of it.

 

[job59]

G09C is slower than MK, the grip is about the same, maybe G09C is even grippier.
The major difference between D09c and G09c is the speed/arc. D09C is more direct, while G09C has a bigger parabola. And G09C is slighly livelier on short touches but noticeably slower than D09C when you engage the sponge.
Spin-wise, they're pretty close, especially given G09C is slightly easier to produce the spin, while D09C has higher maximum spin. In fact, Butterfly rates them as the 4th and 3rd spinniest rubbers they produce.

Thx.
So, this means to me, as the boostered D09c is the slowest I would like to tolerate, I don’t need to try the G09c.

What about the thickness? Is loosing control<>increasing speed (1.9<>2.1) similar to rubbers like let’s say the Hybrid MK? I like the touch of a thicker rubber on my BH too, but finally it seems, the rise of control with 2.0/1.9 rubber is giving more benefit to my playing, especially in matches.

 

[Angerer]

Thx.
So, this means to me, as the boostered D09c is the slowest I would like to tolerate, I don’t need to try the G09c.

What about the thickness? Is loosing control<>increasing speed (1.9<>2.1) similar to rubbers like let’s say the Hybrid MK? I like the touch of a thicker rubber on my BH too, but finally it seems, the rise of control with 2.0/1.9 rubber is giving more benefit to my playing, especially in matches.

I have only tried D05 1.9m out of the Dignics lineup, and it seemed vastly different from the max thickness--those are different rubbers.

 

[dprsspins]

Played with a Rozena for the past month on outer carbon backhand. Also sometimes played G1 backhand on my spare blade, an inner carbon. Now, I failed to resist the temptation and circled back to Glayzer on the outer carbon backhand. I must say, after getting used to the Rozena and G1, the Glayzer topsheet grip is a gift sent from above.

The Rozena is livelier on punch blocks and lobs but Glayzer isn't too lackluster on that aspect. Minimal adjustment is needed as Glayzer (not 09C) does not lack speed. In this department the G1 feels almost exactly like the Glayzer, but I would say it's in the middle of Rozena and Glayzer. I feel that the G1's topsheet feels softer and it gives more free speed than the Glayzer.

But when opening up short underspin serves with flicks, Glayzer is an entire league above the Rozena. If compared with G1, I actually feel the Glayzer is more capable due to the confidence inspiring topsheet. I don't know why but I can just dig into the topsheet more with the Glayzer, and the ball will just obey.

In terms of feel, the Glayzer spring sponge X clicks feels just as addicting as the Rozena's spring sponge. Glayzer felt more crisp and solid than both Rozena and G1, and that has aid me in precision placement. I wasn't very impressed with the muted ESN feeling G1 gave me, eventhough spec sheet wise the G1 is indeed capable.

For a moment as my Rozena topsheet started to bubble, I was considering Mantra Pro M to replace it. But then I remembered the Glayzer, and read this forum. Got it and will not look back (I hope).

 

[steve888]

I use Glayzer on the forehand, and I find it has more control in the short game over G1 and Rozena - a very balanced controllable rubber and seems to suit outercarbon blades well and not as spin sensitive like Rozena/G1.
The only main negative I find for the Galyzer it has quite a long throw , so sometimes I over shoot the table, less than G1 though. Rozena does seem to have a shorter throw but has more catapult effect.
The other rubber I have started using is the Nittaku hammond z2, (2 mm version), very fast but controllable but slightly more spin sensitive.

 

[NetProphet]

Glayzer 09c has nothing in common with Dignics 09c, neither sponge, nor topsheet. Glayzer 09c has lower spin potential than Dignics 09c, however it's easier to achieve spin on weaker strokes.

Are you sure it's not the same topsheet?
I'm pretty sure that it is....

 

[NetProphet]

The numerical designation 09c relates to the pimple structure, not to the material as such. Accordingly, the topsheets and sponges of Glayzer 09c and Dignics 09c are different.

You make this statement as if you know for a fact.
Have you any links to back this up?
I had always believed the topsheet to be the same, can't exactly remember why, or if unread it somewhere......

 

[Tyce]

Butterfly just says that it's the same topsheet technology ... Of course that's a sales pitch

 

[Zwill]

I'm not sure if I remember right but I think they claimed the abrasion resistance is the same as Dignics. But the topsheet is very similar, it chips on the edges the same, the grip is the same, durability is the same. It would be nice to know what is the difference besides the sponge hardness.

 

[dprsspins]

Are you sure it's not the same topsheet?
I'm pretty sure that it is....

I owned and used the Glayzer09C for a season, and I've play tested many Dignics09C's in my club.

I'm not 100% sure if the topsheet is similar between the two, but one thing I felt when I touched the surface of both rubbers; Glayzer09C topsheet is softer, mushier, and less tackier than Dignics09C. Dignics09C on the other hand, has a topsheet that felt more elastic, tensioned, has more tack and less mush than the Glayzer09C.

I think the gray spring sponge X is also very different from the red spring sponge X, and it's not just the hardness. I think the red spring sponge is more elastic and has higher air pressure inside the sponge capsules.

The result is that Dignics09C feels more like a moderate speed tensor with some tack, while the Glayzer09C felt more like a slightly livelier chinese rubber due to the fact that it has lost most of its tack.

 

[NetProphet]

I owned and used the Glayzer09C for a season, and I've play tested many Dignics09C's in my club.

I'm not 100% sure if the topsheet is similar between the two, but one thing I felt when I touched the surface of both rubbers; Glayzer09C topsheet is softer, mushier, and less tackier than Dignics09C. Dignics09C on the other hand, has a topsheet that felt more elastic, tensioned, has more tack and less mush than the Glayzer09C.

I think the gray spring sponge X is also very different from the red spring sponge X, and it's not just the hardness. I think the red spring sponge is more elastic and has higher air pressure inside the sponge capsules.

The result is that Dignics09C feels more like a moderate speed tensor with some tack, while the Glayzer09C felt more like a slightly livelier chinese rubber due to the fact that it has lost most of its tack.

I agree with a lot of this and I've also played with both rubbers.
I actually have both at the moment so I'll look again but I couldn't really tell a difference between the topsheets when I last looked so that, along with being reading somewhere in here that they were the same, I had always believed them to be the same.
That said, I've just looked again at the butterfly website and it doesn't say they share the same topsheets and thinking about it, if G09c had the same topsheet rubber as D09c they would probably be quick to let us know this!

 

[Eric…]

There's just no way. I'm too lazy to get up and inspect them side by side but subjectively D05 has a grittier, way grippier feeling, juiced up sponge, whereas Glayzer feels smoother and more relaxed to use (something beyond just softer), way way way way way less lethal. Glayzer is sneaky because on a fast blade (which is required if you want to try to use it) it makes you think you are doing quality shots with good arc, spin, enough power etc. all while under control but it's pretty fake and so much will be returned back to you. D05 is night and day (but also quite a lot to handle). I can believe the pip geometry is the same, sure, but I don't know if they are sprinkling the magic fairy dust in the topsheet, and/or locking the cold war chemicals into the sponge but D05 is just so different. Also T19 despite being even softer than Glayzer is higher performing than it and is a good middle ground and worth trying. I have tested/used all three of these very recently on the same fast blade, and otherwise scattered use of them in the past on various blades, and am confident about the reality of the significant difference. I could still see Glayzer being good for developing players who jumped into an OFF composite or whatever and this will help tame it and keep the rallies going (while anything faster would be too wild to use anyway). I remember thinking the same about Rozena back in the day, it's just not the same, like they are diluting the magic with cheaper materials mixed in somehow.