Just curious how many Penholders are on TTD?

[Dominikk85]

That’s an anti on the BH. What’s that for?

Maybe to play one sided and twiddle?

Ni xialiang does that with a long pip and is still like top 50 in the world at almost 60 years old, maybe that would be effective with an anti too
https://youtu.be/1JIKgoW31Ck

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Asked but forgot to get he specific name of that Tuttle rubber. He said it was not anti.

 

[PingBirdPong]

Asked but forgot to get he specific name of that Tuttle rubber. He said it was not anti.

But it says “ prevention arc”, which is “防弧” or “anti spin”
I’ve glued these rubbers for a friend, it’s a laughable attempt at an anti.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

My friend bought his cybershape cpen knockoff from a mutual friend. I will buy one too. Mainly due to our mutual friend's circumstances, i want to support him somewhat and buy a knockoff from him. I generally do NOT use/buy knockoffs though.

Attached are pix of my friend's cybershape knockoff.

If you look closely at the base of the handle, the handle is delaminating and not fully attached.

 

[Lazer]

If you look closely at the base of the handle, the handle is delaminating and not fully attached.

Naa, not delaminating more like the glue is giving up and handle is coming loose. Has happened to me several times, even on my BTY Primorac Carbon. I just took the handle off and re-glued it.

Cheers

 

[SFF_lib]

Another high level match between two penholders.

 

[Dominikk85]

Nice match and very different styles, rpb looper vs flat tpb drives kinda like a jpen player

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

But it says “ prevention arc”, which is “防弧” or “anti spin”
I’ve glued these rubbers for a friend, it’s a laughable attempt at an anti.

Will check again tomorrow night. Will say after hitting with it, it does NOT hit like Anti.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

If you look closely at the base of the handle, the handle is delaminating and not fully attached.

Yeah, i know. Sent message previously to you explaining the most likely reason my friend bought that from our mutual friend.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

After unintentional years of playing with Donic Bluefire on my FH/Xiom Vega Pro on my RPB on my Butterfly Taksim, finally had a chance to buy new rubbers and put them on. Will try this setup tonight: MX-P on FH and Yinhe Mercury 2 on RPB. Not my first time using MX-P, like it a lot. Although in the past, I did not use it on a carbon blade like the Taksim. The Mercury 2 may be temporary for RPB. Originally wanted to try the Yinhe Big Dipper as RPB which I've tried to in the past and liked, but that was not dedicated playing, just messing around. If I get used to and like the Mercury 2, i will hold off on the Big Dipper.

 

[netdriver]

enlightenment

 

[ricospin]

I’ve been really enjoying Loki rubbers so far! I think Rxton 1 is a terrific rubber for both rpb and forehand.

Defo try this out. I’m experimenting with boosting and how many I’d like. I usually do 3 layers of seamoon but recently I’ve glued up a sheet with only 1 layer and it plays great as well!

i don’t like rxton 3 that much- or maybe it was a bad pairing?

I like rxton 1 and 5.

 

[Dominikk85]

enlightenment

Great video. He said serve reverse pendulum or backhand serve into short forehand of right handed shake hand player, right? As a lefty the would be a regular pendulum or inside side spin serve, right?

Also regarding backhand serve many penhold guys of the 70s and 80s did that but the younger penhold guys like wang hao, ma lin, xu xin never serve backhand. Why did players stop using it (shake hand too except a few guys like dima sometimes)?

 

[Lycanthrope]

They have hook/shovel serve in their basket for the same purpose and more deceptive. They all have mastered the backhand serve, but they'd like to use it as a tool to change the pace of the game instead of regularly. Same as shakehand player except defensive players.

That's for high-end players. For us, it is as good as pendulum.

 

[Dominikk85]

I have another question about BH underspin push.

Should you push more straight across the body or take back the forearm across the chest first?

See video for clarification what I mean:

https://youtube.com/shorts/-_nHJRwLIR0?feature=share

 

[netdriver]

I have another question about BH underspin push.

Should you push more straight across the body or take back the forearm across the chest first?

See video for clarification what I mean:

https://youtube.com/shorts/-_nHJRwLIR0?feature=share

both r doable, depends on what u want to do. i would do the 2nd motion if i want to push the ball to the left or if theres sidespin on the ball.

as long as u can get under the ball and not have the ball drop into the net it should b fine.

 

[netdriver]

this is a pretty decent video for JPEN backhand drive

usually rare to find videos solely about the JPEN backhand drive

 

[longle]

this is a pretty decent video for JPEN backhand drive

usually rare to find videos solely about the JPEN backhand drive

another short but useful video

 

[Dominikk85]

Dang qiu is the first european born European champion so that's a pretty cool win for penhold play and one of the greatest young talents in felix lebrun is a penholder too.

Do you think those two guys will revive the penhold play in china a bit? Not saying they will go back to ph now but I'm sure they would hate it if a non chinese won a world title with the "chinese grip".

What's also interesting is that dang and felix don't use the black side at all for any backhand balls, not just loop but also block and even pushes are played with the red side.

Should modern Penholders even learn tpb or just play every ball to the backhand side with the red side? Does learning TBP impair learning RPB? Some modern PH players took quite long to have a good RBP but lebrun had a great backhand since he was 12 or so so maybe just learning RPB accelerates the learning?

 

[SFF_lib]

Dang qiu is the first european born European champion so that's a pretty cool win for penhold play and one of the greatest young talents in felix lebrun is a penholder too.

Do you think those two guys will revive the penhold play in china a bit? Not saying they will go back to ph now but I'm sure they would hate it if a non chinese won a world title with the "chinese grip".

What's also interesting is that dang and felix don't use the black side at all for any backhand balls, not just loop but also block and even pushes are played with the red side.

Should modern Penholders even learn tpb or just play every ball to the backhand side with the red side? Does learning TBP impair learning RPB? Some modern PH players took quite long to have a good RBP but lebrun had a great backhand since he was 12 or so so maybe just learning RPB accelerates the learning?

TPB can produce more variations than RPB. Ma Lin is the prime example.

But the advantage of TPB relies on deceitful short game and various push close to table. It suits the old ball better as 40mm balls bounces lower and travels faster.