Killer Spin upgrade

[Justjazba]

Hello all!

So I consider myself an intermediate (1 step above beginner?) player and have been using the preassembled killerspin jet 800 N1 racket. Now I'm looking for an upgrade and am considering options:

-Keep blade, replace current rubber (please advise)
-Buy a new blade and rubber setup and leave the jet800 (Also please advise, I have read a lot... But its a bit overwhelming.)

Currently, under the impression that I should have a flexible bat with medium to hard rubber... Not sure if the Jet800 can work?

My bat is 1 year old and is still in good condition. I know its a commercialized product and premade is not the way to go but it was a gift. If possible I would like to keep using it. 5+2 comp, on the heavier side. My play style is based on more intuition and fast paced play rather than advanced spin mechanics (my way of saying I'm not good). I tend to play with mainly forward loops and just aggressive.

After randomly playing in a tournament I guess I impressed people.... and have now joined a club based on suggestions. I'm really getting into the sport and want to do more than the basement routine (done that about 5 years) dad and his friends were pretty good even at club standards.

Never bought anything other than premade or installed rubbers. Please help!

 

[chintanmashroo]

Hey there,
If you are really looking to change your setup, you should try any BTY ALC blade and pair them with the DHS gold arc 5 47.5 hardness

If you want something really fast go with the gold arc 8


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[chintanmashroo]

It is very obvious that if you change your setup, you will have to adjust as per the new setup - which requires great Practice and Technique change

If you go with the Gold ARC 5 - it will be a controlled fast spin based game

If you go with the Gold ARC 8 - the ball will shoot the paddle considerably faster


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[UpSideDownCarl]

This is a good, basic, first racket where you step up from preassembled rackets:

Blade: Choose 1:

1) Yasaka Sweden Extra
2) Stiga Allround Evolution
3) Stiga Offensive Classic
4) Butterfly Primorac Off-
5) Tibhar Stratus Power Wood

There are another bunch of blades I could add but, there is no reason to add too much confusion to this. Any of those will be very good and not too expensive. These are all blades that are good to start with. But could also be used till you are at the pro level.

Rubbers:

1) Xiom Vega Pro
2) Nexy Karis M
3) Tibhar Aurus.

Any of those will be good rubbers. Get the same rubber for FH and BH. Unless you really know how and why your FH and BH should be using different rubbers, get the same thing for both sides.

This setup will help you start learning to spin the ball more and improve your technique. Higher level play is really about learning the technique to get exponential amounts more spin. What I have listed will help you learn how to do that.

Things that are faster, like Butterfly ALC composite blades will not help you learn how to spin. They will encourage you to hit flatter if you don't already have the technique for spinning the ball.

Chinese rubbers would be fine as well if you want less expensive rubbers that are still pretty good. There are an ocean of quite decent Chinese rubbers that are inexpensive but play well and will help you learn to spin the ball.

 

[doraemon]

This is a good, basic, first racket where you step up from preassembled rackets:

Blade: Choose 1:

1) Yasaka Sweden Extra
2) Stiga Allround Evolution
3) Stiga Offensive Classic
4) Butterfly Primorac Off-
5) Tibhar Stratus Power Wood

There are another bunch of blades I could add but, there is no reason to add too much confusion to this. Any of those will be very good and not too expensive. These are all blades that are good to start with. But could also be used till you are at the pro level.

Rubbers:

1) Xiom Vega Pro
2) Nexy Karis M
3) Tibhar Aurus.

Any of those will be good rubbers. Get the same rubber for FH and BH. Unless you really know how and why your FH and BH should be using different rubbers, get the same thing for both sides.

This setup will help you start learning to spin the ball more and improve your technique. Higher level play is really about learning the technique to get exponential amounts more spin. What I have listed will help you learn how to do that.

Things that are faster, like Butterfly ALC composite blades will not help you learn how to spin. They will encourage you to hit flatter if you don't already have the technique for spinning the ball.

Chinese rubbers would be fine as well if you want less expensive rubbers that are still pretty good. There are an ocean of quite decent Chinese rubbers that are inexpensive but play well and will help you learn to spin the ball.

Probably should go with some slower rubbers from premade, something like Mark V, Coppa or Sriver. Vario big slam or Desto F3 Big slam for something with a glue effect. I really don't think that medium to hard rubbers are a good idea after a premade though- go for something softer to start with. good luck

 

[ajtatosmano2]

As you're new, you must know: Carl is the wise man here, better to be aware if he says something (seriously)
The usually recommended cheaper chinese alternative is the Dawei 2008XP.

 

[Justjazba]

Yea that was an impressive reply Carl!

Now the jet800 is a carbon 5+2 blade. I was considering just buying new rubbers for it?

If I do go a new set up should I still go carbon?

Really appreciate all the input!!

 

[chintanmashroo]

Yea that was an impressive reply Carl!

Now the jet800 is a carbon 5+2 blade. I was considering just buying new rubbers for it?

If I do go a new set up should I still go carbon?

Really appreciate all the input!!

That is why I’ve suggested a ALC blade and DHS rubbers


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[chintanmashroo]

However, Carl is better as he has tried a variety of blades and rubbers


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[Justjazba]

Okay, think I have a solid direction now. Thanks guys, really do appreciate the input!

Now when picking a blade:
- what is stiffness and hardness? (Tabletennisdb measures)
- what is all+/off- etc?

 

[chintanmashroo]

Okay, think I have a solid direction now. Thanks guys, really do appreciate the input!

Now when picking a blade:
- what is stiffness and hardness? (Tabletennisdb measures)
- what is all+/off- etc?

Basically gameplay and blade feedback, you should ignore them as it will confuse you and mislead to buying a wrong blade

If money is not a problem, go with the Innerforce layer ALC or the Timo Boll ALC
Otherwise, get a Stiga Offensive Classic Carbon or Tibhar Samsonov Stratus Carbon

For rubbers, I advise DHS Gold Arc 5 (47.5), Tibhar Evolution ELP, Donic Barracuda big slam


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[UpSideDownCarl]

Read my post. Perhaps what I said was not clear.

I have recommended blades. They are all ALL WOOD. Go with one of them. Do not get a carbon blade. Do not get an ALC or a ZLC blade. Do not buy a blade that costs more than $100.00. Not an Innforce or a Timo Boll. Get a good basic All wood Off- blade.

Based on how you described your level and what you have been using, get a good basic setup.

Choose from one of the blades I listed.

Choose from one of the rubbers I listed.

Or, if you wanted to try Chinese rubbers and save some money, you could try any number of Chinese rubbers.

Dawei 2008XP is super inexpensive and not bad. But there are things way better that cost only a little more. Like Air Illumina. Big Dipper. H3.

I would go with the rubbers I listed based on what you were using. But if you want to try Chinese rubbers, you could look at what I just listed or ask for more ideas. Many rubbers from China are inexpensive and decent. But they play and work differently than Euro/Japanese rubbers. And what you had on your preassembled racket will more resemble Euro/Japanese rubbers so there would be less of an adjustment. And some people try Chinese rubbers and really do not like them. And others love them. Since you are used to a mid/low quality Euro type rubber, I would go with what I listed above on rubbers as well:

1) Xiom Vega Pro
2) Nexy Karis M
3) Tibhar Aurus

There are dozens more rubbers I could list. But all of those would be good for moving from a preassembled racket like the one you had to a better setup.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

And, yes, feel free to keep the old blade. But keep it with the old rubbers. And get a new blade with new rubbers. What you were using has been fine. But you are stepping up in quality in the equipment you are buying. Leave the old blade. Get an all wood blade in the Off- speed category and don't try and figure out the numbers they write about all the equipment. They are not helpful.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

The suggestions for rubbers in doraemon's post would be fine. But I have a feeling the rubbers I listed would be fine as well. Whatever you get, you are going to have to take a while to adjust to it. Because it is a respectable step up from what you have been using. Particularly the rubbers.

 

[Justjazba]

Okay! Going with the yasaka Sweden extra and xiom rubbers!!

Thanks again!

 

[Justjazba]

Sorry to revive this post again, but should I go 1.8, 2.0, or MAX Rubbers with the Vega pro?

 

[yoass]

Opinions differ. I like 1.8 and 2.0, due to the flat hit options. If spin is all, max woukd be it.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

Sorry to revive this post again, but should I go 1.8, 2.0, or MAX Rubbers with the Vega pro?

2.0 Someone likes MAX, someone likes 1.8, someone likes 2.0. 2.0 is in the middle.

 

[Justjazba]

Okay, I want to really work on spins. My game focuses on topspin from mid range. For this reason should I go MAX? I also read on other posts that this is the best for building techniques?

 

[PickleRick]

Okay, I want to really work on spins. My game focuses on topspin from mid range. For this reason should I go MAX? I also read on other posts that this is the best for building techniques?

I would go for 2.0 or 1.8. U did good by following Carls advice by the way. With an all wood blade with 2 vega pro rubbers of 1.8 or 2.0 thickness, you have a great setup to work on your technique