Liang Jingkun signs with LOKI

[Grumms]

But actually thats basically it...Market version vs "special" "Pro" "signature" "Player" "provincial" "national" version...🤣🤣
On the booth graphics they shared some specs...
SPECIAL: Elasticity: 90% "Bottom Strenght": 100% Stability 95%
Market: Elasticity: 70% "Bottom Strenght": 80% Stability 75%
Take all this with a grain of salt

Where have you seen the graphs?

 

[Colin Ksh]

Adc - ¥498
Adc special - ¥1000
Based on what Loki page on ig told me.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Does the LJK ADC blade have 158mm head like the harimoto? or 160mm like the Long 5?

 

[mattlamperouge]

Where have you seen the graphs?

On their sporting goods booth graphics.
A couple of douyin channels shared some info (i didnt translate the video so i dont know what they said) and images.
There i saw the Liang signature Rxton IX and it seems to be some kind of training rubber with liang image too. (Just a guess based on the order of rubbers, it was besides the Rxton 1 Gold Train, their cheapest training rubber pair)

 

[Attitude]

Adc - ¥498
Adc special - ¥1000
Based on what Loki page on ig told me.

115€
150€
These are the prices in germany for the adc/alc and special versions.

Edit: in the description it is stated that the quality level of the woods is the differencemaker for the prices.

 

[Metaxa]

he's using it at Chongqin 2025

I almost took the same picture last week:

 

[Grumms]

72/145$ according to Loki's agent I discuss with. I don't know about the shipping cost to Europe though.

 

[Tyce]

Double price for something as hard to see as "better quality wood"... That's a serious premium

 

[Grumms]

Double price for something as hard to see as "better quality wood"... That's a serious premium

That's the whole Butterfly and DHS strategies and it seems that not a lot of people are questioning it.

 

[Grumms]

You can pre order the ADC here on Alibaba : https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...&ckvia=share_659c9b2df1bb4ba3a7edf2dc91150ac5
And here on Loki german website : https://www.lokigermany.de/shop/Liang-Jingkun-ALC-Special-p754550057

 

[Tyce]

That's the whole Butterfly and DHS strategies and it seems that not a lot of people are questioning it.

I don't understand your analogy, how does Butterfly sell the exact same blade for two times the price?
Unless you mean named blades, in which case it's a fair comparison to the W81 and this LJK blade.. But still doesn't explain how the normal LJK blades are half the price of the special ones with the only difference being impossible to verify.

 

[Grumms]

I don't understand your analogy, how does Butterfly sell the exact same blade for two times the price?
Unless you mean named blades, in which case it's a fair comparison to the W81 and this LJK blade.. But still doesn't explain how the normal LJK blades are half the price of the special ones with the only difference being impossible to verify.

Butterfly sells blades with identical composition than other of their blades, or other brand blades, for 4x the price, and put that on the allegedly better quality of their blade.

 

[cerealKing]

Butterfly sells blades with identical composition than other of their blades, or other brand blades, for 4x the price, and put that on the allegedly better quality of their blade.

To be fair, blades that have supposedly the same composition on paper can feel extremely different.

There's dozens of Viscaria clones with the same structure and they can all feel very different with a range of playing characteristics.

The Long 5 and W968 supposedly have the same or similar structure and they absolutely feel different.

I think the quality, selection, processing, gluing, thicknesses clearly have significant impact on how a blade feels. Not always for better or for worse, often it's just different.

Of course there can also be notable differences between the same blade due to wood being a natural product and varying levels of quality control / selection.

 

[Tyce]

Butterfly sells blades with identical composition than other of their blades, or other brand blades, for 4x the price, and put that on the allegedly better quality of their blade.

If you take other brands out of this, do you have an example? I really don't know and I'm curious

 

[Conehead]

You can pre order the ADC here on Alibaba : https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...&ckvia=share_659c9b2df1bb4ba3a7edf2dc91150ac5
And here on Loki german website : https://www.lokigermany.de/shop/Liang-Jingkun-ALC-Special-p754550057

Thanks. Pre-ordered! 🤪

 

[Grumms]

If you take other brands out of this, do you have an example? I really don't know and I'm curious

Do you really need me to find 2 blades with the same composition in Butterfly catalogue ? Innerforce and Outerforce have the same structure than 2 or 3x more expensive other blades.

 

[Tyce]

Do you really need me to find 2 blades with the same composition in Butterfly catalogue ? Innerforce and Outerforce have the same structure than 2 or 3x more expensive other blades.

Yes... Which blade is 2-3x more expensive than innerforce, yet the exact same composition?

Harimoto is more expensive but not 2x the price, has a different head size and is name branded. That's quite a different thing than picking the exact same shape, size and even branding except the word "special".

The only example I can think of in Butterfly is stuff like Golden Viscaria, but to be fair to Butterfly they don't have it listed on any official site afaik.
Loki is living up to its name here by pulling some mischief again.

 

[Grumms]

Yes... Which blade is 2-3x more expensive than innerforce, yet the exact same composition?

Harimoto is more expensive but not 2x the price, has a different head size and is name branded. That's quite a different thing than picking the exact same shape, size and even branding except the word "special".

The only example I can think of in Butterfly is stuff like Golden Viscaria, but to be fair to Butterfly they don't have it listed on any official site afaik.
Loki is living up to its name here by pulling some mischief again.

Branding it 'Harimoto' is the same than calling it Special. You have many Limba/Ayous/Whatever synthetic fiber/Ayous Blade with different price, based on no one knows what, just using stars names to increase the price.

 

[Egon]

I have to repair damaged blades. Often with torn off handles, even more often I remove the damaged handles, and I can see the quality of the workmanship from the inside. Without going into details, I can confirm that Butterfly blades, which are made in Japan, are truly of the highest manufacturing quality among serial blades.
It is difficult to say whether the prices correspond to this quality, since we do not know the cost price, which includes not only direct production costs, but also marketing costs, player sponsorships, etc.

 

[Grumms]

I have to repair damaged blades. Often with torn off handles, even more often I remove the damaged handles, and I can see the quality of the workmanship from the inside. Without going into details, I can confirm that Butterfly blades, which are made in Japan, are truly of the highest manufacturing quality among serial blades.

Why wouldn't you grant Loki the same will to do high quality with their special blades?