Modern rubbers

[achalwins94]

Hey guys! I know it might be a tiring topic, but I wanted to know the difference or which is better kinda amongst tibhar evolution(el p mostly), yasaka rakza x, andro rasant turbo, rakza 7, nittaku alhelg.
I am thinking to put one of these on fh on tibhar samsonov force pro black edition.
About my game - on fh, i usually like to open the loops. I don't rely much on speed, but spin is my preference. Even on bh, i like to play flicks and play bh counters, to put the opponent in awe. I also like to play chops, if I think, I could put my opponent in a position that it would get difficult for him to open, and if he opens, I could play a consistent placement, which could be profitable for me.
Would like your opinion guys! Thanks!

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[Shuki]

Hey guys! I know it might be a tiring topic, but I wanted to know the difference or which is better kinda amongst tibhar evolution(el p mostly), yasaka rakza x, andro rasant turbo, rakza 7, nittaku alhelg.
I am thinking to put one of these on fh on tibhar samsonov force pro black edition.
About my game - on fh, i usually like to open the loops. I don't rely much on speed, but spin is my preference. Even on bh, i like to play flicks and play bh counters, to put the opponent in awe. I also like to play chops, if I think, I could put my opponent in a position that it would get difficult for him to open, and if he opens, I could play a consistent placement, which could be profitable for me.
Would like your opinion guys! Thanks!

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all good choices. depending on playstyle one may help more than others. video of your game would help way more than explaining your game

 

[laistrogian]

I dont really like the rakza series. The topsheet feels a bit weird and they're heavy in general.

Tibhar evolution series is my to go rubbers after tenergy, especially the MX-P. FH opening loops are a joke to do with MX-P. Just like Tenergy 05, it's an auto spin rubber.

EL-P imo is a good option for backhand if you have a more controlled playstyle.

IMO, if you want a rubber that's good without any real downside just buy MX-P. I find most ESN rubbers feel similar in the first place

 

[Shuki]

IMO, if you want a rubber that's good without any real downside just buy MX-P. I find most ESN rubbers feel similar in the first place

Downsides: Harder sponge than it's competitor (t05) making learning the strokes correctly much more difficult as it numbs feeling more. It dies very quickly in comparison to T05. I can Literally use one sheet of t05 in the time it takes to go through 2.5 sheets of mx-p.

 

[laistrogian]

Downsides: Harder sponge than it's competitor (t05) making learning the strokes correctly much more difficult as it numbs feeling more. It dies very quickly in comparison to T05. I can Literally use one sheet of t05 in the time it takes to go through 2.5 sheets of mx-p.

I don't think you'd use MX-P to learn strokes in the first place but MX-P does feel more numb compared to T05. Some people do prefer it however.

As for durability, Baal told me MX-P durability is pretty much similar to tenergy and I go through a sheet of tenergy in probably like 4 months

 

[achalwins94]

So out of all, mx p is the one to choose. I was thinking rakza x due to better durability( heard so).

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[Shuki]

I don't think you'd use MX-P to learn strokes in the first place but MX-P does feel more numb compared to T05. Some people do prefer it however.

As for durability, Baal told me MX-P durability is pretty much similar to tenergy and I go through a sheet of tenergy in probably like 4 months

Baal has openly said he doesn't think tenergy has any booster, but he can smell factory tuning on the esn evolution rubbers. The tuning won't last more than 2 weeks. The durability is supposed to be about 80 hours per sheet give or take.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

One thing I find, I think Baal is right that Tenergy isn't boosted. And I don't want to start the myth of Pro Tenergy: But, one time I got Tenergy, ordered straight from Butterfly through Michael Landers and it was better than any other Tenergy I have used. I actually think it was really just straight off the press. But it felt alive.

As far as Evo MX-P rubbers, this is what I feel, the info about the boost wearing off and it not lasting that long:

1) The boost wears off. No question. Still plays great after the boost has worn off.

2) The sponge stays good for a long time. It does not die.

3) The topsheet does loose grab and grip sooner than Tenergy but it starts out with amazing grip. But how fast it wears out is debatable. Shuki, when I hit with you the MX-P I was using was 6 months old. It didn't feel new. It was close to dead. But it didn't feel totally dead. I had used WD40 on it a few times to give it back some of its grip. It lasts a bit less long than Tenergy. But, if you know how to get the topsheet grip for a little extra time, it can last a good long time.

So I am not so sure that it wears out as quick as some people say. And I kind of like it better after the boost wears off.


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[laistrogian]

Shuki, when I hit with you the MX-P I was using was 6 months old. It didn't feel new. It was close to dead. But it didn't feel totally dead. I had used WD40 on it a few times to give it back some of its grip. It lasts a bit less long than Tenergy. But, if you know how to get the topsheet grip for a little extra time, it can last a good long time.

So I am not so sure that it wears out as quick as some people say. And I kind of like it better after the boost wears off.

I actually prefer MX-P that's a bit worn as the rubber feels more natural. A new sheet of MX-P feels awkward, it's just too fast and the feeling is artificial. I like tenergy for the fact that even if butterfly boosts tenergy, it doesn't feel like the rubber is boosted in the first place. It plays really nice with slow linear degradation

As for the durability, how can you play with a 6 months old MX-P ??? I have a 6 months old tenergy and I can't use it at all. The topsheet was pretty much dead. BTW, how do you apply WD-40 to the rubber?

 

[Shuki]

Revitalizing a rubber isn't something most players do when their rubber dies. 6 month old mx-P is still more lively than brand new mark v or sriver.

You're right, if you know how to get that rubber to act better again then you can get quite a bit more use out of it than most players. But I doubt most players asking for rubber advice are the players to revitalize their rubber with wd-40


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[Shuki]

The question for the op still really wasn't answered and now he thinks mxp is just the best choice for him even though it wasn't one of the options he gave us and we know almost nothing about his level or his game to give the advice.


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[Luis Nasche]

If your game is based on spin not speed and coming from H3 I think among the Evo rubbers you may give a look at MX-S.

About Rakza 7 I have it on a blade, but I don't like it for FH. MX-S has a lot more spin available by a wide margin too.

I have a Rasant Powergrip on the FH of the same blade I'm using the Rakza 7 and I find it spinier than Rakza, faster and easier to lift backspin. Rasant Turbo is less spiny than Powergrip that is why I'm talking about Powergrip among Rasand options. Grip may be an option for some guys, but since I didn't it I'll not talk about this soft rubber.

Powergrip is bouncier, faster and softer than MX-S, they are both great lifting backspin. MX-S is easier to control, but is less forgiving on loops.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

As for the durability, how can you play with a 6 months old MX-P ??? I have a 6 months old tenergy and I can't use it at all. The topsheet was pretty much dead. BTW, how do you apply WD-40 to the rubber?

On a dead topsheet, if you spray a small amount of WD40, about the size of a quarter, on the topsheet and spread it over the whole topsheet and let the WD40 sink into the rubber, it causes the rubber to grab better for about 1 month as it slowly starts to wear more. It doesn't work on all rubbers. But it definitely worked on MX-P. I did that 3 or 4 times before I stopped using it.

I have been told that Der_Echte's sweat has magical properties that do the same thing to rubbers which is how he can get 2 years use out of Aurus Soft.

 

[Airoc]

So out of all, mx p is the one to choose. I was thinking rakza x due to better durability( heard so).

Pretty much so, especially since it works so well with the Force Pro blades.

This combination will give you more than enough spin. You could try MX-S also, but it is way less bouncier than MX-P and anything else you mentioned, very "unforgiving" and like the best chinese rubbers also great in service/reception, short game and blocking but meant to be played actively on every stroke.

Too much work for most ;-)

 

[darnner123]

I just got my new rubbers like yesterday OMG OOMG HYPE YAY
FH: Andro Rasant
BH: Andro Rasant Powersponge
This is just my first impressions from playing it just then today.

Sponge Hardness:
Both rubbers actually feel the same, the powersponge is a bit slower because its onlyyyy A BIT softer (i cant really tell them apart from sponge hardness)

How weight affects it:
Before I used tenergy and Andro's rasant and powersponge were definitely faster in terms of speed but that is probably because of its weight.
It is definitely WAYYYY heavier than tenergy and this might be a problem for some people.

How it plays (IMO):
I'm not really good at explaining but I had no trouble with using these rubbers. They feel faster and heavier than tenergy, encouraging more of a tempo play rather than spin. Spin is more than good enough (a bit less than tenergy).
Its better for drives and this improved my consistency a little (this is more reliant on your technique though as I'm already consistent with my basic drives and topspins)
However open ups on my backhand is a bit of a problem due to its weight :C
A bit too heavy for my backhand hahaha gonna need some STRENGTH TRAINING

Hope this helps you!

 

[NextLevel]

I still prefer Hexer and Baracuda and Genius to all these newer rubbers. Just saying.

 

[Baal]

Tenergy 05. Then there is no need to guess or worry.

MX-P is pretty good though.