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Thanks! I had the waldner all indeed here, many people in our club use it and also the All+ version, but what's Interesting is that if I ask AI, it says the dicon is faster (OFF-) but you mention the opposite. I'd rather trust the human here haha I do wonder why that is, just a hallucination?I never had person powerplay .. As far as I remember it was a bit slower then Sweden Extra, very comfortable handle and incredible feeling and control. I would add also Waldner Allplay. It a bit faster then Dicon but also very good control. I think this two very good for beginers