Spinny setup

[DukeGaGa]

Nice Nice, post pics and comments about its characteristics. Im curious how it plays compared to the original line of ALC blades

For sure. I'll put the rubbers on the ZJK ALC to compare I think, since I sold all my original Viscaria that's the closest I got 😅

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Btw, is the ZJK ALC same speed as the LGY ALC??

BTY website says same 11.8 reaction rating. But Revspin says LGY is faster.

 

[DukeGaGa]

Btw, is the ZJK ALC same speed as the LGY ALC??

BTY website says same 11.8 reaction rating. But Revspin says LGY is faster.

Well, from what I remember vaguely, they feel pretty similar.

But I need to point out that there are two schools of thoughts, both equally popular:

• All player named blades are the same as their non-named counterparts.
• All player named blades have close, but have different characteristics to their non-named counterparts.

I also need to point out that, we don't know how the manufacturing process has changed over the years, e.g. adhesive changes, source of material, etc. And there are also variation of quality of the material itself, since the blade is mostly wood, and a piece wood can vary in lots of different ways even it's from the same tree, meaning there's no guarantee that any two blades play exactly the same, even if they're built from the same piece of wood.

So... what I'm trying to say is, EJ is a curse 🤣

On a more serious note, this variation in manufacturing and materials means that there's no good way to compare these blades with similar composition, especially the ones from the same company. But if I have to say, for all for all intensive purposes, ZJK ALC and LGY ALC are the same, other than the graphics on them.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Im not a high end EJ like you, but I like to find little gems in the garbage bin.

I just ordered a Sanwei CC because I was curious how well a $12 blade would perform compared to the modern day composite blades.

Im also trying to work my way through all the sub $15 Chinese rubbers to see if there are any underrated/underfollowed gems. So far, Im a big fan of Bloom and Reactor.

 

[jamiebtt]

Btw, is the ZJK ALC same speed as the LGY ALC??

BTY website says same 11.8 reaction rating. But Revspin says LGY is faster.

Omggggggggg why does everyone think this Butterfly has their own reaction and vibration ratings they don't compare to revpsins

 

[Michael Zhuang]

What does that mean?

 

[NDH]

Btw, is the ZJK ALC same speed as the LGY ALC??

BTY website says same 11.8 reaction rating. But Revspin says LGY is faster.

As mentioned previously, RevSpin is user submitted.

I can list it as a 12. You can list it as a 10 and Carl can think we are both wrong and list it as a 4.

When comparing the same brand, use their own statistics.

Whilst they still may not be massively accurate, it’s going to be the best comparison you have.

Don’t forget, 10 LGY blades will all play different, as will 10 ZJK blades.

Some will be similar, some will be slower, some will be faster.

But they are so close in spec, that you, and the vast majority of internet dwellers won’t know any difference at all.

Buy the handle design you like the most. It never fails 😃

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Trying to understand equipment from the standpoint of emotional need and without any form of testing the equipment yourself leads to strange things.

It is also funny how, trying to save money, buying 30 rubbers that cost and average of $12 a sheet, you will still pay more than if you buy two sheets of Tenergy.

If you want to try stuff out, ask people if you can test their equipment. After you have done that enough, you can start to judge for yourself a range of things that will work for you. Really, there are plenty of setups I could use with very little adjustment. Equipment is really not that important. Training is what causes you to improve. I understand the idea of trying things for the sake of it being fun. I understand that sometimes it is just nice to get something new to HAVE even though you don't need it. As long as you can afford it, get what you want. But don't think it matters that much.

If you handed me a Viscaria with H3 on FH and H3 with 37-degree sponge for BH, a Mizutani ZLC with T05 on FH and T64 on BH and a Stiga Allround Classic with Rasanter R48 on FH and R45 on BH, if I had 5 min to warm up with each setup and then played a match, I would play at pretty much exactly the same level. And yes, I would be able to adjust to each different setup with a few min of hitting to get used to it.

Get something and use it and only mess around with equipment if it makes you happy. But some of this stuff sounds like people are chasing their tails and making themselves the opposite of happy. Hopefully that is not the case.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Not at all, its just fun for me now to try out and understand the product positioning. I like to have the blades and rubbers mapped out in my mind in terms of their quality cost and performance.

Getting a new cheap $12 rubber keeps me engaged and looking forward to the next session. I would get bored more quickly without that I think.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Not at all, its just fun for me now to try out and understand the product positioning. I like to have the blades and rubbers mapped out in my mind in terms of their quality cost and performance.

Getting a new cheap $12 rubber keeps me engaged and looking forward to the next session. I would get bored more quickly without that I think.

As long as it is because you are having fun and can afford it.

With that, for me, I am not really interested in trying to explain what I feel or how a blade or rubbers feel because what you feel is something you can't really put into words and because everyone feels something different. And, for me, the process of practice, the exploration of methods of training and the ways in which different versions of training are effective at helping a player develop, that is more interesting to me than equipment. Being honest, that is more interesting to me than playing matches as well. And so, when I play matches I am generally thinking of it as part of the process of training and so, not as concerned with the results. And so, in matches I will play around with trying different tactics.

I guess, also, from equipment, I know I value spin over speed. I know I can use a slow setup and still add power and make my shots as fast as I want. A TT ball is light. All you have to do is contact it at the right angle with the right timing to make it fast as hell. A 5" stroke (13cm) timed right can be fast as heck and spinny as well if you meet the ball with good timing. The blades I use are 5 ply Off- blades and I use rubbers that are pretty capable of generating a lot of spin. With that setup, I can hit the ball faster than I will ever need to. And I can make shots with massive spin, and I can place the ball where I want. And the spin and the placement, in my opinion are often more important than the speed. If I can place the ball where it is hard for my opponent to get, it does not even have to be all that fast.

So, equipment is fun. But it is not that important. And I find technique more fun. A racket is a racket but a hooking a loop around the net.....well, that is my idea of fun.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

I actually dont even have a good sense of what is a good blade for myself. When I play with a faster blade like Viscaria, after 20 minutes I feel used to the blade and feel I can play really well with it.

If I play with a slower blade like Stiga OC, I get used to it after 20 minutes and feel I can play really well with it.

I really don't even know what blade is desirable for me. So I just try to map out the characteristics and play style of the different blades and rubbers.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Then stop worrying about equipment and choose something and start focusing on training. If you can play well with it, what you use does not really matter that much.

 

[DukeGaGa]

Then stop worrying about equipment and choose something and start focusing on training. If you can play well with it, what you use does not really matter that much.

I spot a future star of EJ lol

 

[jamiebtt]

As mentioned previously, RevSpin is user submitted.

I can list it as a 12. You can list it as a 10 and Carl can think we are both wrong and list it as a 4.

When comparing the same brand, use their own statistics.

Whilst they still may not be massively accurate, it’s going to be the best comparison you have.

Don’t forget, 10 LGY blades will all play different, as will 10 ZJK blades.

Some will be similar, some will be slower, some will be faster.

But they are so close in spec, that you, and the vast majority of internet dwellers won’t know any difference at all.

Buy the handle design you like the most. It never fails 😃

Yes thank you