Struggling with G1 on FH

[imbadatlooping]

Hello everyone! I play with a butterfly Petr Korbel Japan with Nittaku Fastarc G1 on the Fh and C1 on the backhand. A week ago I tried C1 for forehand instead and my FH was so much better and my backhand with the G1 was better than the C1.

Ive heard that many players use hard rubber on the Fh and soft rubber on the back hand, but I feel like I’m totally opposite. For some reason I play better with a softer rubber on my forehand and harder rubber on my backhand. Is this normal? What can I do to fix it?

I don’t really like G1 on the forehand (it’s nice but it always goes out long for me) but it’s been awesome on my backhand. Anyone else having issues using G1 on the forehand? Maybe I don’t have the right technique to effectively use it? (For more info, I can spin the ball well with the G1 on my backhand but when I play it on my forehand, even when I try to spin it, it goes off the table).

 

[NetProphet]

The Fastarc G1 does reward a certain technique and certainly has some Unique characteristics.
It's quite a while since I've tried it so I'll quote from Alvaro at Racket Insight who I think nails it in his review
"The thing that makes the Fastarc G-1 so unique is its high throw. This characteristic makes it play like few other rubbers and gives this rubber some key advantages (and one disadvantage).

I found that to use the Fastarc G-1 to its fullest potential, you should contact the ball thinly when going for powerloops.

If you’re going to play a high-power shot, you must graze the top of the ball, or otherwise, you’ll overshoot the table. This rubber isn’t the best choice for hit-loopers because its high throw will make those players send the ball long.

This rubber works great for players who have a forward looping motion rather than a vertical motion, and it also favors players who play with a closed racket angle.

With rubbers such as the Hurricane 3 NEO, you can hit with a vertical motion and a relatively open angle and the ball will go in with tons of spin.

If you want spin with the Fastarc G-1, it’s all about closing the racket angle.

The topsheet has tons of grip and the rubber’s throw is super high, so you can contact on top of the ball and it will go in.

Around 90% of my misses with this rubber were from overshooting the table or sending it wide, and 10% or less from dumping the ball into the net."

I reckon on BH you are not hitting hard enough to have the same problem and send the ball long as often and also your BH technique may just be different enough to reward the G1.

Short version, try hitting forward more in your loops (which is better technique tbh honestly, especially when combined with correct kinetic chain etc) and close your racket angle a little and see how your FH loops go with G1. It's worth getting this right as you will have more spin and speed from your FH if you can get it to work.

 

[piligrim]

Hello everyone! I play with a butterfly Petr Korbel Japan with Nittaku Fastarc G1 on the Fh and C1 on the backhand. A week ago I tried C1 for forehand instead and my FH was so much better and my backhand with the G1 was better than the C1.

Ive heard that many players use hard rubber on the Fh and soft rubber on the back hand, but I feel like I’m totally opposite. For some reason I play better with a softer rubber on my forehand and harder rubber on my backhand. Is this normal? What can I do to fix it?

I don’t really like G1 on the forehand (it’s nice but it always goes out long for me) but it’s been awesome on my backhand. Anyone else having issues using G1 on the forehand? Maybe I don’t have the right technique to effectively use it? (For more info, I can spin the ball well with the G1 on my backhand but when I play it on my forehand, even when I try to spin it, it goes off the table).

I am same as you. You must be backhand oriented player like me

 

[imbadatlooping]

I am same as you. You must be backhand oriented player like me

I think I am. Backhand pushes, flicks, loops, blocks are all easy to me and i can do it with decent quality (decent for my skill level lol). For forehand though its a different story lol (atleast with the G1).

 

[imbadatlooping]

The Fastarc G1 does reward a certain technique and certainly has some Unique characteristics.
It's quite a while since I've tried it so I'll quote from Alvaro at Racket Insight who I think nails it in his review
"The thing that makes the Fastarc G-1 so unique is its high throw. This characteristic makes it play like few other rubbers and gives this rubber some key advantages (and one disadvantage).

I found that to use the Fastarc G-1 to its fullest potential, you should contact the ball thinly when going for powerloops.

If you’re going to play a high-power shot, you must graze the top of the ball, or otherwise, you’ll overshoot the table. This rubber isn’t the best choice for hit-loopers because its high throw will make those players send the ball long.

This rubber works great for players who have a forward looping motion rather than a vertical motion, and it also favors players who play with a closed racket angle.

With rubbers such as the Hurricane 3 NEO, you can hit with a vertical motion and a relatively open angle and the ball will go in with tons of spin.

If you want spin with the Fastarc G-1, it’s all about closing the racket angle.

The topsheet has tons of grip and the rubber’s throw is super high, so you can contact on top of the ball and it will go in.

Around 90% of my misses with this rubber were from overshooting the table or sending it wide, and 10% or less from dumping the ball into the net."

I reckon on BH you are not hitting hard enough to have the same problem and send the ball long as often and also your BH technique may just be different enough to reward the G1.

Short version, try hitting forward more in your loops (which is better technique tbh honestly, especially when combined with correct kinetic chain etc) and close your racket angle a little and see how your FH loops go with G1. It's worth getting this right as you will have more spin and speed from your FH if you can get it to work.

After some discussions on reddit about this, i hit more vertical and open angled (maybe because i used to ej playing with tacky/hybrid/unboosted H3N). I dont hit forward and closed enough to get the most out of g1. My coach even told me that i have a more chinese style forehand but when i asked him if i should switch to H3N he said to stick with what i got unless i knew for sure i was able to play with the H3N everyday (i was trying a friends Boosted H3N and it was amazing. It felt it suited best for me). Ill try to tweak my FH a little to get what i need out of G1 and hopefully i can make it work.

 

[steve888]

G1 (2.1) has quite a long throw, its easy to overshoot the table when you hit the ball hard - 1.9 version is better. I tried C1 briefly the other day on a friends bat and it was much better, I think its a shorter throw rubber and been softer its easier to engage the rubber.
Go with what works for you, and if you win more games with it, it suits your style of play.

 

[jonol]

You can always use C1 both sides. Nothing wrong with the C1 as a forehand rubber. General advice is to use harder forehand rubber, but that doesn't mean you absolutely have to. The C1 is also an excellent attacking rubber.

 

[NetProphet]

After some discussions on reddit about this, i hit more vertical and open angled (maybe because i used to ej playing with tacky/hybrid/unboosted H3N). I dont hit forward and closed enough to get the most out of g1. My coach even told me that i have a more chinese style forehand but when i asked him if i should switch to H3N he said to stick with what i got unless i knew for sure i was able to play with the H3N everyday (i was trying a friends Boosted H3N and it was amazing. It felt it suited best for me). Ill try to tweak my FH a little to get what i need out of G1 and hopefully i can make it work.

If your coach has said that you have a vertical and open FH then it's a little bit strange that he hasn't focused on fixing this for you given that you are trying to use G1.
Hitting more forward and into the ball is (from most of the information and advice I have been exposed to) a better and more efficient way of executing FH loops. The vertical swing is usually an overcorrection of uncoached players as they attempt to loop V backspin and they take the same swing path into their loop V topspin.

I think a technical exploration of your FH mechanics is likely the answer here.
To me is would appear that the better route is to fix this asap and not continue to practice the wrong way?
But of course I could be wrong!
What does your coach say about your current FH technique?

 

[imbadatlooping]

If your coach has said that you have a vertical and open FH then it's a little bit strange that he hasn't focused on fixing this for you given that you are trying to use G1.
Hitting more forward and into the ball is (from most of the information and advice I have been exposed to) a better and more efficient way of executing FH loops. The vertical swing is usually an overcorrection of uncoached players as they attempt to loop V backspin and they take the same swing path into their loop V topspin.

I think a technical exploration of your FH mechanics is likely the answer here.
To me is would appear that the better route is to fix this asap and not continue to practice the wrong way?
But of course I could be wrong!
What does your coach say about your current FH technique?

My coach is a 1500 level player (I play in an area that doesn't have many good players, so that coach is pretty much all I've got unless I want to drive 2+ hours to get coached by someone with more experience and of a higher level that could pinpoint what my exact technical issues are). For the coaching sessions I have done, it's just been trying to build my base and fundamentals. Also, it might be that he is teaching the correct information, but I keep going back to that overcorrection since our club doesn't do drills nor has a pongbot I can utilize to ingrain the right technique during a match, so I end up back to old habits. Another issue is that before using Petr Korbel with g1/c1, I've used different setups that might influence the changes or inconsistencies in my technique, so trying to get used to a different technique (the correct technique) is my major issue. The last training I had with my coach, I was using a different setup, so what he taught me with one setup might have been different from the current one I'm using now. (which is totally my fault since I couldnt just stick to one setup until now).

 

[jonol]

You may want to try the Butterfly Glayzer as well. My experience is that it's easier for playing openers and responds more predictably in rallies and is just generally more forgiving.

I find it responds a lot better to controlled contact. The G1 is amazing for touch shots and very committed shots, but doesn't respond as predictably in the medium effort ranges. With the Glayzer I can lift backspin and play controlled openers at about 70% effort. With the G1 I need to really commit heavily, which produces a better quality shot when it lands, but is also more likely to overshoot.

 

[Tyce]

My coach is a 1500 level player (I play in an area that doesn't have many good players, so that coach is pretty much all I've got unless I want to drive 2+ hours to get coached by someone with more experience and of a higher level that could pinpoint what my exact technical issues are). For the coaching sessions I have done, it's just been trying to build my base and fundamentals. Also, it might be that he is teaching the correct information, but I keep going back to that overcorrection since our club doesn't do drills

What do you mean here? No organised training sessions, or absolutely zero players willing to do a couple of drills with you?

If you can get 1-2 like minded souls to get an hour of structured practice in every now and then, that could be very helpful!



As for G-1... I completely agree that it's an easy rubber to overhit with when making too flat of a contact. I find it works very well further from the table for that exact reason, because you're forced to throw the ball upwards even if your bat is facing the opponent.
I have not been able to make the proper adjustments for over the table play. I did find it great on the BH because I play a lot more of a closed bat on BH side naturally. But this issue will stay regardless of what I play so I need to work on it.

 

[kraw]

G1 has harder than average top sheet. It didn't work for both FH and BH

 

[belllfador]

Hello everyone! I play with a butterfly Petr Korbel Japan with Nittaku Fastarc G1 on the Fh and C1 on the backhand. A week ago I tried C1 for forehand instead and my FH was so much better and my backhand with the G1 was better than the C1.

Ive heard that many players use hard rubber on the Fh and soft rubber on the back hand, but I feel like I’m totally opposite. For some reason I play better with a softer rubber on my forehand and harder rubber on my backhand. Is this normal? What can I do to fix it?

I don’t really like G1 on the forehand (it’s nice but it always goes out long for me) but it’s been awesome on my backhand. Anyone else having issues using G1 on the forehand? Maybe I don’t have the right technique to effectively use it? (For more info, I can spin the ball well with the G1 on my backhand but when I play it on my forehand, even when I try to spin it, it goes off the table).

G1 is excellent rubber, and it should be possible to play with it. I had 2mm and 1.7mm in the past with relatively stiffer blades. The rubber is not easy, but is definitely not so difficult to learn. Don't take advice from 1500 TTR trainer. Focus on your connection with the ball. Search for the magical feedback, blade vibrations and the extra drag when the ball hits the rubber. Use this feeling to tune your technic. There will be a sweet spot when the rubber will behave well. For me, this sweet spot was the use of extra effort during loops and adding some side spin to increase the arc height and to gain some safety margin. But for you can be something else. At the end of the day, is not wrong to use the softer rubber on FH, if fits your game and wins more points.