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I went with hadraw 5 and hurrricane 3 forehand, glayzer backhand. Both 2.1mm sponge
What butterfly blade should i get?
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I don't have anything to compare it to because I only had a premade racket that doesn't create spin. So it's obviously better in every way
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Also how long will my h3 neo commercial last?
I play around 2 hours a day 3 times a week with a coach and around 1 hour other days with a robot/serving practice. In total, it will be 10 hours a week.
I play around 2 hours a day 3 times a week with a coach and around 1 hour other days with a robot/serving practice. In total, it will be 10 hours a week.
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Hadraw 5 drew my attention and I'd love to put a DNA Platinum M on FH and T05fx on the BH..why would that be out of control?
I know it is an OFF baldebut still just 5 ply without carbon.
Just being curious if such combo would make sense and how it could "behave".
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I play the same amount approximately and I can stretch it to 6 months with a non Neo H3 provincial Orange. I don’t see a reason that the commercial shouldn’t last as long.
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Hadraw is not a fast blade - Tensor rubbers are fine on it in my experience and it is very controllable.
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Certainly the setup you proposed would be a lot faster than what you have now. I find this setup to be very difficult to control, but I suppose that it is a matter of opinion (and skill) what is controllable and what is not.
Take this with a grain of salt. This guy plays with a Viscaria and very fast rubbers. Much faster than what you've got.
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Not much difference. And if you take one of each and compare the Off- one will sometimes be faster than the Off one. The rating is for the statistical average. Wood is a live material and making a blade is not an exact science they all wary a little bit.
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hey there greenbeanmachine!
I can see you have a deep knowledge and kind attitude to teach! I hope I can take back this threads that I have found searching on Google for Primorac + Rozena, an help would be much appreciated 🙏🏻
I'm a little more advanced that the OP, my level could be early-intermediate, I'm playing in a club from 9 month
Before I was playing for hobby and my rackets were a Stiga allround classic with Srivers (the historic classic couple.. ) and a BTY ALC.S with Rozena
The point is that when I joined the club 9 month ago(for my first time ever) I wasn't playing from 4 years and the ALC.S with Rozena was clearly too fast so I used for 2 month the Stiga with Sriver
(and here I could confirm that if you are a beginner reading this thread as also said from greenbeanmachine and other users this combination is ideal to start)
After this first 2 month I passed to the ALC.S + Rozena because I was clearly feeling the Stiga + Sriver was holding me back maybe also because the 2 sriver were thin sponged... but it was clear.
The fact was that the ALC.S +Rozena (1.9fh1.7bh) was still a little fast!
So I mounted in a first step on the ALC.S: a Vega Euro fh(max thickness) maintaining the Rozena bh... in a second step a Rasanter R42 on fh (ultramax thickness...) moving the Vega Euro on the bh, the R42 was much more fast than the Vega Euro surprisingly but I managed to adapt...
Although after using these soft rubbers for 4 months, I noticed they strongly lack precision in shot placement. I'm still unsure which factor contributes most to this issue (your opinions are welcome):
-Maximum thickness
-Soft sponge
-The combination of ALC.S blade and soft rubbers, as a slightly stiff blade might amplify the softness of the rubbers, reducing control and precision...
anyway I finally took the decision to buy a Primorac, I think is the best way to have a good reference also to improve my knowledge and experience, and temporarily move on it the Rasanter and Vega (I will test this setup next week...)
But the next step will be to return to a middle hardness sponge, and the ones that I'm evaluating as next step on the Primorac are:
- Rozena
- Vega Japan
- Fastarc C1
finally I'm more keen to go for the C1 cause I have read that is the most linear (less trampoline on low shots I suppose)
Please would be much appreciated your opinion on how I have managed the situation until now and which of these 3 rubbers you suggest the most 🙏🏻
p s sorry for taking it so long!
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Rozena on softer blades I find catapult a bit on harder shots . on harder blades it's better like the inner carbon DHS 301. I learnt recently matching rubber to blade is important. However my son who uses primorac (wood) with Rozena plays well with it, so also depends on people's skill level and adaption.
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I think that the soft sponge is primarily responsible for your lack of precise placement. Soft sponges will produce a consistent shot, but it is hard to be precise with them. They are error-tolerant, meaning that they will adjust to small inconsistencies in your stroke, meaning that it is difficult to use them precisely. Hard sponges give a greater degree of precision because they do not correct inconsistencies, but they require more control to use that precision. The stiff blade also probably doesn't help you.
Primorac is a good blade, and switching to Primorac alone should be enough to help your precision.
Rozena has a soft sponge, probably softer than R42. It's not super reactive to incoming spin, and a lot of people like it for that reason, but personally I'm not a fan. It will result in spinny balls flying off the bat less, but I don't think it gives you a great increase in precision for hitting your own balls.
I've never tried Vega Japan so can't comment too much on it.
Fastarc C1 is a little harder than Rozena but I think going for the same idea: soft sponge without sensitivity to spin. Both Rozena and C1 seem to be a part of this class of rubbers that you are trying to escape. They will compensate for a lack of control in the short game by not being very grippy, but they will also not give you the degree of control you need to place the ball accurately. Fastarc G1 is more reactive to spin, but also gives a greater degree of precision (if you are skilled enough to use it).
If I were to recommend a rubber, I'd say Rakza X. Rasanter R45 or R48 could also be a nice step up, if you feel like you've enjoyed R42. Fastarc G1 could also be a good choice -- it's the #1 selling rubber at most stores for a reason, worth trying at some point imo. Rakza 7 is a reliable choice that strikes a good middle ground between Rozena/C1 and Rakza X.
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Rakza X is a little more advanced than Rakza 7. A bit faster, a bit spinnier, a bit harder. Rakza X is more difficult to control, but allows more precision when the player is skilled enough.
Rakza 7 is a good rubber for beginners, and one can play with it as a beginner or intermediate player. Advanced players rarely play with it, but if you are below ~1700 you can definitely make good use of it.
According to TableTennis11, "Rakza X comes into the Rakza series with a noticeable increase in grip when compared to Rakza 7 and Rakza 9."
My impression is that the difference between 7 and X is like the difference between Rozena and Tenergy, but less extreme. Rakza 7 feels kind of slick and fuzzy -- it lets you swipe the ball well without worrying too much about the spin on it. Rakza X is more reactive and grippy (which can be a good thing if you have the skill to control it) -- the ball bites it sharply and crisply, so you can create a lot of speed and spin.
Rakza X allows an advanced player to play more precisely. When the player reads the spin correctly and responds correctly, Rakza X will make a sharp crisp shot which actively utilizes the opponent's spin against them, and hits very precisely in the direction which it is aimed.
In general, there is a tradeoff between two aspects of control -- let's call them "precision" and "error tolerance". Rakza 7 is more error-tolerant, at the expense of being less precise. Rakza X is more precise, at the expense of being less error-tolerant.
Rakza 7 is a good rubber for beginners, and one can play with it as a beginner or intermediate player. Advanced players rarely play with it, but if you are below ~1700 you can definitely make good use of it.
According to TableTennis11, "Rakza X comes into the Rakza series with a noticeable increase in grip when compared to Rakza 7 and Rakza 9."
My impression is that the difference between 7 and X is like the difference between Rozena and Tenergy, but less extreme. Rakza 7 feels kind of slick and fuzzy -- it lets you swipe the ball well without worrying too much about the spin on it. Rakza X is more reactive and grippy (which can be a good thing if you have the skill to control it) -- the ball bites it sharply and crisply, so you can create a lot of speed and spin.
There are multiple aspects of what it means for rubber to be "controllable". Rakza 7 is more controllable for beginners because it is less reactive to spin. Players who don't understand spin mechanics will be able to put the ball back on the table, because it doesn't punish you for reading spin incorrectly.
Rakza X allows an advanced player to play more precisely. When the player reads the spin correctly and responds correctly, Rakza X will make a sharp crisp shot which actively utilizes the opponent's spin against them, and hits very precisely in the direction which it is aimed.
In general, there is a tradeoff between two aspects of control -- let's call them "precision" and "error tolerance". Rakza 7 is more error-tolerant, at the expense of being less precise. Rakza X is more precise, at the expense of being less error-tolerant.
Thanks all makes sense. I did look at Razka 9 but reviews I read it's even faster and even less controllable and not so good in the short game as Razka 7 and X. Is that your experience?? I enjoy Razka 7, only have 2 mm version was a touch slower than Rozena, was thinking of max version for a little more speed but found blade heavier with Razka 7 vs Rozena. So thinking 2mm version of Razka x . Your thoughts?? Thanks
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I am going to write a short post based on what I have read on this page.
I oddly find Rozena to be faster and stiffer than C-1. Is the difference that big? No, I can adapt to either of them on my backhand after I play with it for about an hour.
I agree that Rakza X is faster and stiffer than Rakza 7. I also find Rakza X to have a lower throw angle than Rakza 7 so you need to control the rubber better with Rakza X.
The analogy of Rakza 7 = Rozena and Rakza X = Tenergy to be a good analogy. Yes I also agree, however, the difference between Rozena and Tenergy to be great than the difference between Rakza 7 and Rakza X.
I have also heard many times from other people that Rozena is less spin sensitive. However, for me, that is not the case. You still need to read the spin correctly no matter you are using Rozena, Tenergy, Rakza 7 or Rakza X.
The blade also matters a lot and that should be emphasized. For example, about 6-7 years ago, I switched from C-pen to shakehand. I started with an all wood blade (Tibhar Stratus Powerwood) and I really enjoyed G-1 and Rakza 7 on my backhand. No complaint there. But when I switched 3 years ago to a harder, stiffer carbon blade, all of the sudden my backhand does not like G-1 and Rakza 7 anymore. Instead I have used M2, Rozena, Rakza 7 soft, FX-D, EL-P and Acuda S2 on my backhand (i.e. softer sponges) and I have liked all of them on the backhand.
So blade is important too.
I oddly find Rozena to be faster and stiffer than C-1. Is the difference that big? No, I can adapt to either of them on my backhand after I play with it for about an hour.
I agree that Rakza X is faster and stiffer than Rakza 7. I also find Rakza X to have a lower throw angle than Rakza 7 so you need to control the rubber better with Rakza X.
The analogy of Rakza 7 = Rozena and Rakza X = Tenergy to be a good analogy. Yes I also agree, however, the difference between Rozena and Tenergy to be great than the difference between Rakza 7 and Rakza X.
I have also heard many times from other people that Rozena is less spin sensitive. However, for me, that is not the case. You still need to read the spin correctly no matter you are using Rozena, Tenergy, Rakza 7 or Rakza X.
The blade also matters a lot and that should be emphasized. For example, about 6-7 years ago, I switched from C-pen to shakehand. I started with an all wood blade (Tibhar Stratus Powerwood) and I really enjoyed G-1 and Rakza 7 on my backhand. No complaint there. But when I switched 3 years ago to a harder, stiffer carbon blade, all of the sudden my backhand does not like G-1 and Rakza 7 anymore. Instead I have used M2, Rozena, Rakza 7 soft, FX-D, EL-P and Acuda S2 on my backhand (i.e. softer sponges) and I have liked all of them on the backhand.
So blade is important too.
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