What is the most important area to jump from 1900 to 2100?

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Not sure 1900===>2100

But for 2500===>2700
1. Being able to loop winners while looking relax and not sweating.

you are right, if you can loop anything, you are closer towards 2500 than 2100.
get H3, and come visit me for 2 weeks.
then you on the right path.

2. Be photogenic for the cameraman.

hm... no comment. I guess we can only get you to 2499, and stop there.

 

[andzejgolot]

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[SleepyMaster]

you are right, if you can loop anything, you are closer towards 2500 than 2100.

does looping everything with 50/50 consistency counts as 2500 lol?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

does looping everything with 50/50 consistency counts as 2500 lol?

it is "looks like 2500" but "results like 2100"

 

[mamedium]

when i was 1800 a chopper came to join our club. he was 2300, a real solid 2300 with short pips

he beat everyone including me (so badly because i couldnt read the spin on his chops)

then we started practicing since i am the only lefty at the club and he wanted to chop against sidespin

i would say, practicing against chops are probably the best way to learn how to use power and spin on FH loop

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

when i was 1800 a chopper came to join our club. he was 2300, a real solid 2300 with short pips

he beat everyone including me (so badly because i couldnt read the spin on his chops)

then we started practicing since i am the only lefty at the club and he wanted to chop against sidespin

i would say, practicing against chops are probably the best way to learn how to use power and spin on FH loop

that is correct
since topspin incoming ball - you can just put your racket there and the ball will go back.
for incoming underspin (chop), you need to do a lot of work to get the ball back and timing, control, speed, spin, body weight, all of them needs to work together.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

does looping everything with 50/50 consistency counts as 2500 lol?

do the maths brother; 2,500 50:50 become 1,250...

 

[PoppaChubby]

Playing two matches in one day is good for you! Congrats Gauzy!

I told ya, remember ?

 

[TensorBackhand]

It depends on your weakness. Mine were FH and footwork. Yours will be different. We all are different and don't start with the same qualities and flaws. So to jump, you have to improve your flaws and master your qualities.

I feel my weaknesses are very balanced all around. haha

Fitness and Stamina 4/10

Serve, 6.5/10

Receive 5/10

Footwork 6/10

Topspin 8/10

So I think fitness and footwork are pretty weak. However, as many people pointed out, in TT fitness and footwork probably play a smaller role in actually the winning and losing of points.

I think my serve is decent, but not great. I can't really disguise my serve at all, but the basic spin and placement is decent.

I think receive is my weakness, especially against the strong servers. If anybody remembers my warm up practice game with Victor, I think I missed 4 or 5 receives in just 10 of his serves. Yeah I counted 4 misses receives, and at least a few more receives that just set him up for the followup shot. His serve is fast, and also hard to read for me.

Even when I go back now and watch each of his serves, I still can't identify if his serves are sidespin, sidetop, or sideunder or deadball. They all look the same to me.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Serve, 6.5/10

how can it be 6.5 (your second highest attribute) if you have no idea what spin you are putting on the ball?
surely if you have no ways to control the spin you generate, the rating needs to be sub 5, maybe even sub 4?
You would only get points for placement and strategy.
but zero points on spin

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think receive is my weakness, especially against the strong servers. If anybody remembers my warm up practice game with Victor, I think I missed 4 or 5 receives in just 10 of his serves. Yeah I counted 4 misses receives, and at least a few more receives that just set him up for the followup shot. His serve is fast, and also hard to read for me.

is this the match you played with Victor, that he was in-between matches in a tournament, and he said you had like 7 or 8 rackets in your bag (that specific time - not sure how many times you played with him)

 

[songdavid98]

I feel my weaknesses are very balanced all around. haha

Fitness and Stamina 4/10

Serve, 6.5/10

Receive 5/10

Footwork 6/10

Topspin 8/10

So I think fitness and footwork are pretty weak. However, as many people pointed out, in TT fitness and footwork probably play a smaller role in actually the winning and losing of points.

I think my serve is decent, but not great. I can't really disguise my serve at all, but the basic spin and placement is decent.

I think receive is my weakness, especially against the strong servers. If anybody remembers my warm up practice game with Victor, I think I missed 4 or 5 receives in just 10 of his serves. Yeah I counted 4 misses receives, and at least a few more receives that just set him up for the followup shot. His serve is fast, and also hard to read for me.

Even when I go back now and watch each of his serves, I still can't identify if his serves are sidespin, sidetop, or sideunder or deadball. They all look the same to me.

All the ones that look the same (the ones that he serves the most) are all sidetopspin.
He serves 1 fast no spin to you down-the-line.
His reverse sidespin serve has some backspin.

I don't know Victor's level, but he's clearly just babysitting you

 

[TensorBackhand]

All the ones that look the same (the ones that he serves the most) are all sidetopspin.
He serves 1 fast no spin to you down-the-line.
His reverse sidespin serve has some backspin.

I don't know Victor's level, but he's clearly just babysitting you

Thanks for clarifying that. How do you know they are side topspin? What is the distinguishing factor that you can clearly see it? My eye sees a downward motion of the pendulum, so I'm worried that it could be underspin or deadish ball.

Also, how would you be receiving this sidetop serve? Just with a drive?

Which is the fast no spin serve? Is it the one at 0:47? Actually no, on second look, it must be the one at 1:18. See? This is how much I struggle at reading serves. Even when you tell me the spin, I can't identify it well.

I think he is 2200-2300? Not totally sure.

But yes, he is 300 or 400 points above me. So I shouldn't stand much chance against him.

 

[OvrChkn]

should practice this for service return - hard loop/ attack anything that is half long or long

My coach does a similar multiball for me on both wings. Definitely builds confidence on my openers. I'm having issues if it's short/half-long side under to the FH side and it's a much lower conversion rate vs regular backspin.

Short game and positioning are two key areas that I'm trying to focus right now. Played a 2000 player that had incredible touch on the short game and my only response was to push long and get the rally started.

 

[songdavid98]

Thanks for clarifying that. How do you know they are side topspin? What is the distinguishing factor that you can clearly see it? My eye sees a downward motion of the pendulum, so I'm worried that it could be underspin or deadish ball.

Also, how would you be receiving this sidetop serve? Just with a drive?

Which is the fast no spin serve? Is it the one at 0:47? Actually no, on second look, it must be the one at 1:18. See? This is how much I struggle at reading serves. Even when you tell me the spin, I can't identify it well.

I think he is 2200-2300? Not totally sure.

But yes, he is 300 or 400 points above me. So I shouldn't stand much chance against him.

My response is going to be so long and all over the place, it should be its own thread.

Let's start with an exercise.

We all toss the ball when we serve right?
Don't move the racket.
What spin happens when the ball falls on to a nearly vertical racket?
What spin happens when the ball falls on to a 45 degree angle racket?
What spin happens when the ball falls on to a flat racket?

You learn the toss itself makes some topspin.
The more vertical racket angle, the more topspin.

Now do another exercise.
You can move the racket, but don't change the angles.
How do you cancel out this topspin with a nearly vertical racket?
How do you cancel out this topspin with a 45 degree angle racket?

You learn that it takes some forward and downward motion to simply cancel out the topspin.
The more vertical racket angle, the harder to cancel the topspin.

As for making backspin, you have to do even more work. Flatter racket angle, faster forward and/or downward motion.
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backspin is the hardest spin to serve. topspin is the easiest spin to serve.
the strategy is to looks for signs of backspin and if there are little to no signs, it is topspin or nospin.
also, i will ignore sidespin since there's no question about that.

the sign of backspin is quickly brushing the ball forward/downward while touching the bottom half of the ball.

1. quickly
2. brushing the ball forward/downward
3. bottom half

It is pretty easy to see if they are touching the bottom half or top half of the ball. that is just racket angle.
Serving while touching the top half of the ball is easy to read. It is topspin.

It is also pretty easy to see how fast they touch the ball.
More importantly, slow touch means they cannot override the influence of the toss, which means topspin or no spin.

The tricky part is seeing if they brush forward or brush sideways or both.
if they brush to the side, they aren't overriding the toss: it's topspin.
if they brush forward, you need to guess how much they are overriding the toss.

 

[mamedium]

but if you brush up in front of the ball, what is the spin?
in my opinion, looking at opponent’s racquet is really hard because it is usually quick

i would just try to learn all the behaviors of spin and practice flicks, just to override all kinds of serves

at low level, the first three shots are crucial because the lack of spin control skills

at higher level or modern table tennis, the rally skills are more important. looping both wings are more focused than third ball attack. at least thats how i see it in my practice with 2300

 

[TensorBackhand]

My response is going to be so long and all over the place, it should be its own thread.

Let's start with an exercise.

We all toss the ball when we serve right?
Don't move the racket.
What spin happens when the ball falls on to a nearly vertical racket?
What spin happens when the ball falls on to a 45 degree angle racket?
What spin happens when the ball falls on to a flat racket?

You learn the toss itself makes some topspin.
The more vertical racket angle, the more topspin.

Now do another exercise.
You can move the racket, but don't change the angles.
How do you cancel out this topspin with a nearly vertical racket?
How do you cancel out this topspin with a 45 degree angle racket?

You learn that it takes some forward and downward motion to simply cancel out the topspin.
The more vertical racket angle, the harder to cancel the topspin.

As for making backspin, you have to do even more work. Flatter racket angle, faster forward and/or downward motion.
/////////////////////////

backspin is the hardest spin to serve. topspin is the easiest spin to serve.
the strategy is to looks for signs of backspin and if there are little to no signs, it is topspin or nospin.
also, i will ignore sidespin since there's no question about that.

the sign of backspin is quickly brushing the ball forward/downward while touching the bottom half of the ball.

1. quickly
2. brushing the ball forward/downward
3. bottom half

It is pretty easy to see if they are touching the bottom half or top half of the ball. that is just racket angle.
Serving while touching the top half of the ball is easy to read. It is topspin.

It is also pretty easy to see how fast they touch the ball.
More importantly, slow touch means they cannot override the influence of the toss, which means topspin or no spin.

The tricky part is seeing if they brush forward or brush sideways or both.
if they brush to the side, they aren't overriding the toss: it's topspin.
if they brush forward, you need to guess how much they are overriding the toss.

Thanks so much! all that makes a lot of sense. So pay close attention to the racket angle. Vertical angle means it will be topspin. Horizontal angle means it likely will be underspin.

What about if the paddle is a a "greyzone" 45 degree angle? Does that mean it will mostly be horizontal sidespin?

What would you try to hit Victor's sidetop serve with?

 

[songdavid98]

but if you brush up in front of the ball, what is the spin?
in my opinion, looking at opponent’s racquet is really hard because it is usually quick

i would just try to learn all the behaviors of spin and practice flicks, just to override all kinds of serves

at low level, the first three shots are crucial because the lack of spin control skills

at higher level or modern table tennis, the rally skills are more important. looping both wings are more focused than third ball attack. at least thats how i see it in my practice with 2300

sorry to take away your dreams, but flicks do not override all serves. you have to be even better at reading spin to flick.

also if you brush up the front of the ball, just do it yourself and see what happens.

 

[songdavid98]

Thanks so much! all that makes a lot of sense. So pay close attention to the racket angle. Vertical angle means it will be topspin. Horizontal angle means it likely will be underspin.

What about if the paddle is a a "greyzone" 45 degree angle? Does that mean it will mostly be horizontal sidespin?

What would you try to hit Victor's sidetop serve with?

Don't care about sidespin.
Grayzone 45 degrees, you have to pay attention to how much they override the toss. Look for how forward and down they brush and how fast they brush.

Just loop Victor's serve. It's easy to read and he doesn't protect the forehand corner

 

[mamedium]

sorry to take away your dreams, but flicks do not override all serves. you have to be even better at reading spin to flick.

also if you brush up the front of the ball, just do it yourself and see what happens.

i know what spin it is. im saying racquet brush up isn’t always topspin
and if that doesn’t convince you, look up Schlager serve. hes a decent player who can beat 99% people here including you