What oils can be used as boosters?

[Pnachtwey]

The 2mm HRS sponge I poured paraffin oil on last Friday the 16th has returned to normal on Wednesday but it is still about 0.47 gm heavier. Heavier is not good but the extra mass is not noticeable.

 

[Liten]

After loosing the original glue-layer the rubber reacts to the paraffin like one could expect. It was also SO MUCH easier to reglue to the blade.

Eather loose the original layer or DON'T use booster or voc glue with it.
Ill post back after playing it tomorrow.

 

[Hamasaki_Fanz]

After loosing the original glue-layer the rubber reacts to the paraffin like one could expect. It was also SO MUCH easier to reglue to the blade.

Eather loose the original layer or DON'T use booster or voc glue with it.
Ill post back after playing it tomorrow.

If you still have the one with original glue, please try it and tell us the differences ^_^

 

[Liten]

If you still have the one with original glue, please try it and tell us the differences ^_^

I have another unopened big dipper. I know how it plays, Its ok, but I prefer the euro type of rubber so im experimenting with this Big Dipper to find out what it needs to play real good. Its less than half the money of a rakza 7.

 

[fais]

I have another unopened big dipper. I know how it plays, Its ok, but I prefer the euro type of rubber so im experimenting with this Big Dipper to find out what it needs to play real good. Its less than half the money of a rakza 7.

I found the yinhe jupiter (factory tuned) to perform at about 70%-80% of the rakza 7, though the rakza 7/soft seemed to have ridiculously high gears. Speaking of boosting big dippers, I too am in the process (sticking to the baby oil I am)

They havent undomed yet. Will keep you posted (the blue is 40 degrees, the yellow is 38).

Incidently, do you guys notice the holes in the yellow sponge? pieces came off when i was removing the initial glue layer. Can anybody tell me how much will this small tears effect the rubber?

 

[Hamasaki_Fanz]

I found the yinhe jupiter (factory tuned) to perform at about 70%-80% of the rakza 7, though the rakza 7/soft seemed to have ridiculously high gears. Speaking of boosting big dippers, I too am in the process (sticking to the baby oil I am)

WTF, what kind baby oil is that? so strong!! also how much did you put the oil? and how many layers?

of course the hole will impact the stroke when the ball hits on that area, but probably you can't feel it

 

[Liten]

Played the boosted Big dipper today on the PG7 c-pen.
Im not digging it. :/
Don't get me wrong, its good, but not close to the Rakza 7. For the money, you get a good chinese style rubber but for me it needs to much fiddeling to be a real contender. Rather sad actually. Hoped for more omph!

 

[Hamasaki_Fanz]

Played the boosted Big dipper today on the PG7 c-pen.
Im not digging it. :/
Don't get me wrong, its good, but not close to the Rakza 7. For the money, you get a good chinese style rubber but for me it needs to much fiddeling to be a real contender. Rather sad actually. Hoped for more omph!

I used to play using PG7 with h3p on my forehand, then I changed to viscaria, now my play is total beast. I think the problem with PG7 is that it's too slow, so chinese rubber is not a good match. So I think combining PG7 with soft tensor rubbers like T64/AirocAstro S/Rakza 7 will be good.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Played the boosted Big dipper today on the PG7 c-pen.
Im not digging it. :/
Don't get me wrong, its good, but not close to the Rakza 7. For the money, you get a good chinese style rubber but for me it needs to much fiddeling to be a real contender. Rather sad actually. Hoped for more omph!

That sums up just about why I stopped using H3 and went back to Euro/Japanese trampoline sponge rubbers.

I've used H3 and TG3 a bunch. It has been maybe 2.5 years since I stopped using them the last time. I can use them. I can get what you are supposed to from them. But it is a pain in the back side to boost them every time the sponge starts feeling like it is dead.

I much prefer rubbers that have some catapult in them without you needing to play scientist.


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[Pnachtwey]

A replay to NextLevel's smart ass comment.

Quote Originally Posted by Pnachtwey View Post
Liquids don't compress much and spring back like gases do.
I don't see how an oil that doesn't evaporate to a gas can make a sponge springier. Perhaps it can help and old and brittle sponge but I wouldn't use a booster on a new rubber.
PO evaporates quickly but wears off quickly. PO is the only oil I would use for boosting but....
I don't boost. I have tried PO and speed glue. It don't see where it helps that much if at all. Boosting and speed gluing is a hassle.
I would rather buy a more springy sponge.

The lower the level of the player (less looping/spinning capability), the less benefit they derive from boosters and speed glue.

Yep, as if the boosting oil knows the ability of the person holding the paddle. Nextlevel some how thinks the COR changes depending on who is holding the paddle.

It appears a none of us is getting much benefit from boosting and the conclusion are the same as mine. Get a springy sponge.

Someone should test different boosting methods with accurate measuring devices instead of relying on opinion. People are not calibrated machines. I could do this testing but there is no money in it and I would rather play.

I would rather buy some Rakza 7 than boost. In fact I did last Friday.

 

[NextLevel]

Yep, as if the boosting oil knows the ability of the person holding the paddle. Nextlevel some how thinks the COR changes depending on who is holding the paddle.

I actually don't but since you are just about the only person who misses the point of my original statement, I don't need to explain it. The explanation is not required for those who already get my point, but the words I used to express my point didn't change.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I have this friend who is 2350 who really likes to boost the heck out of his rubbers. When I first got Victas last year, he got a few sheets and boosted it like only a maniac would. When I felt his rubber it felt like a crazy marshmallow trampoline. Now I had the same rubber on my blade and the difference was pretty stark. But this other kid heard Ludi show me and how he wanted me to try the rubber and see what it felt like the boosted it. But this kid was a beginner and still was at that stage where he was driving and smashing but did not make the brush contact for a pull ball. He noticed the boosted rubber was faster but he couldn't really feel the difference even though, to me the difference was pretty crazy. I have never felt anything boosted that much or that well.

By the way, this kid seemed to agree with me that if you put the boost on fast and glue it before it fully curls rather than after it has uncurled it seems that you get more of the boost effect. The rubber continues to expand for a while as it is on your racket.

But, this kid knew how to boost better than I ever did. And that rubber felt amazing. But not everyone could feel or benefit from the effects.


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[fais]

WTF, what kind baby oil is that? so strong!! also how much did you put the oil? and how many layers?

of course the hole will impact the stroke when the ball hits on that area, but probably you can't feel it

LOL H_F I haven't forgotten to respond to your question. I'm currently boosting two more rubbers and I have been taking pics of the entire process. I intend to post the complete process with steps in Dan's original post on boosting. The above pics of the boosted BD is the result of 1 thin layer of LKT WBG, and 2.5 thick evenly coated layers of baby oil. I waited 2 hours after the first layer of baby oil to apply a intermediary layer (most of the oil had dried up), and then waited 12 hours for the next layer (as the intermediary layer took longer time to dry).

Again, keep an eye out for my post on boosting with baby oil, hopefully it will answer your questions.

 

[fais]

Played the boosted Big dipper today on the PG7 c-pen.
Im not digging it. :/
Don't get me wrong, its good, but not close to the Rakza 7. For the money, you get a good chinese style rubber but for me it needs to much fiddeling to be a real contender. Rather sad actually. Hoped for more omph!

I think you would be hard pressed to find a chinese rubber that can be boosted to compete with the likes of high end euro rubbers like rakza/tenergy. It is also why you have the hungarian/chinese style loop vs the european style, as all top tier chinese players play with boosted chinese rubbers.

I've noticed that will boosting ups the gears, speed and control of dead chinese rubbers, you sacrifice linearilty. But the gain in performance really do help with the "chinese" style of playing.

 

[Hamasaki_Fanz]

LOL H_F I haven't forgotten to respond to your question. I'm currently boosting two more rubbers and I have been taking pics of the entire process. I intend to post the complete process with steps in Dan's original post on boosting. The above pics of the boosted BD is the result of 1 thin layer of LKT WBG, and 2.5 thick evenly coated layers of baby oil. I waited 2 hours after the first layer of baby oil to apply a intermediary layer (most of the oil had dried up), and then waited 12 hours for the next layer (as the intermediary layer took longer time to dry).

Again, keep an eye out for my post on boosting with baby oil, hopefully it will answer your questions.

what's the brand of your baby oil?

 

[Liten]

Well.. One could also state that "Im a fat, lazy, middle age male, who doesent whant to work THAT hard playing tabletennis".. Boost or no boost. The Rakza-Banda combo remains a class act setup. Thats all I need to know when the day comes to play a serious match.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Can't beat the classics.

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[fais]

Remember to use consummate vs when applying booster to the sponge

 

[Liten]

HAHAHA!! What have I done! Hahahaha!!

 

[fais]

what's the brand of your baby oil?

Check the ingredients. The one I use contains only mineral oil and fragrance. Mine is actually store brand and not Johnson's.