What's the weight of your setup and what's the ideal weight of your setup?

[Przemooo]

here are the weights of six 2024 sheets (rubber+sponge+stickyfoil): 57,61,59,62,59,55g

the same has different weight?

 

[plunder]

the same has different weight?

yes!!
it's due to imperfect production (thickness distribution of the sponge across 1 sheet) and due to inexact cut sizes of the sheets. iirc i installed the lowest weights.

 

[gensay]

As a penholder, the lighter the better.
I currently use the 184g setup and I think it's close to my maximum. I prefer 180g, I am not strong.

 

[Przemooo]

yes!!
it's due to imperfect production (thickness distribution of the sponge across 1 sheet) and due to inexact cut sizes of the sheets. iirc i installed the lowest weights.

If you had a full grip, not a Senso (empty), maybe you would be even faster? Better balance. Doesn't the Allplay Senso weigh you down on the head?

 

[plunder]

i have non-senso

thx for you misunderstands 🤪

 

[lodro]

You have a lot more control with a not heavy setup and your arm will be a lot faster

No it will not.
Get a really heavy blade and a real ultra light one and stick them out of a running car window. See, wind resistance is exactly the same, the weight of the blade is completely irrelevant

 

[riemsesy]

googled it, doesn't exist.

my setup is under 155.00g (jeweller's scale), 2x 2024 mercury2 soft max from Chinese Ping Pong, appelgren non-senso st.

it's slow, very tacky, controlled, crisp (non-mushy imho), with immense whip-like head acceleration, like swatting flies 😁. perfect setup for the developing player.

Can You Swat Flies Midair With Your inverted rubber setup? (should open a new thread wiv dis title lol 😂)

You’re right. Autocorrected
Name is feather carbon

 

[dingyibvs]

I like the weight balance low (in the handle). I think the weight balance is the most important issue. I think my setup is about 190g total and since the weight is mid, not low, not high, it is a fine weight. If the weight was lower (more in the handle) the blade would feel lighter and more whippy with the same overall weight. With the weight higher (more head heavy) the blade would feel heavier and play like a heavier setup.

I would like my setup more if the weight was more in the handle. But it is fine for me.

I also do feel TT players get a little too fussy with this kind of thing. A TT ball is light....very light. You don't need much impact to make it go. A TT racket, even at 210 grams is still very light. You do swing it over and over. But, when I was 12 years old, playing baseball, I was using a 32-34 inch bat (81-86cm) that weighed somewhere in the area of 2-2.5 lbs (910-1130g). You swing it, you get used to it. Before getting up to bat, you put a 1.5 pound doughnut (680g) on the end of the bat and when you get up to the plate, the bat feels light.

Most of this stuff is about perception unless you have someone with a wrist or elbow injury.

One time Der_Echte handed me a racket where the blade weighed 120g and it was quite handle heavy. The total setup was notably over 200g. Because a lot of the weight was in the handle (he had modified the handle to add about 35g to the handle) the blade felt light and very whippy.

That's not how it works though. According to the Tiefenbacher study, at lower speeds, the same racket with rubbers on both sides and hanging on a pendulum is significantly faster than one without a rubber on the back side and is fixed in place, suggesting that the local weight (i.e. around the area of impact) is a significant contributor to a setup's speed.

With that said, being able to actually land the shot and not get injured is probably more important for most people, so everyone should just pick what works for them.

 

[dingyibvs]

what a coincidence. I was planning to use the same amount of the same booster and the same glue. However, I was thinking of 40 degrees. What would u recommend between 40,39,and 41 degrees on the fzd ALC change and what the differences are between the 3.

That information is not as helpful as it might seem. People use vastly different amount of booster and glue per layer, so unless he can quantify exactly how much he uses for booster and glue then it's not very helpful.

 

[netdriver]

my current setup weighs 188g

whatever is in the 175g-190g range is ideal for me

below 175 is too light and my shots feel less solid, above 190 the blade is too heavy for me to really whip it without hurting something along the way

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

That's not how it works though. According to the Tiefenbacher study, at lower speeds, the same racket with rubbers on both sides and hanging on a pendulum is significantly faster than one without a rubber on the back side and is fixed in place, suggesting that the local weight (i.e. around the area of impact) is a significant contributor to a setup's speed.

With that said, being able to actually land the shot and not get injured is probably more important for most people, so everyone should just pick what works for them.

I am not entirely sure that what you are talking about, and what I was talking about a year and a half ago are even related. I am not sure that overall weight and weight distribution are the same subject.

If you take two blades that are both 90 grams and one is head heavy and the other handle heavy, the handle heavy blade will feel lighter. If you made the head heavy blade's handle the same weight as the handle heavy blade, it might end up mid-weight balance, it might still be head heavy, or it might become handle heavy, but it will be heavier than its original weight and also heavier than the handle heavy blade. Which might be part of why it feels heavier. But there is also other issues. If you held a 20 lbs bag up against your body it won't feel as heavy as if you hold the bag out with your extended arm. Why does it feel heavier when you hold it further from you?

But I do think picking something that works for you is a fine idea. I also think, if someone trains with something for a while, more things would work for people than they realize and a lot of the choices people make are to some extent based on what they were already used to.

 

[greenbeanmachine]

Stiga Rosewood NCT VII (98g) + Nittaku H3 Turbo max both sides. Total weight 233g. Anything less and you're a weakling.

 

[Wakkibatty]

180g - 195g with a weight distribution towards the bottom.
With lower weight higher weight center.

The weight center may actually be more important than the total weight. Don’t disregard this.

Cheers
L-zr

What Lazer said!!!😎😎 One of my (current 😂) favourite set-ups is 2 x Loki Telson 100 on a flared Mulga Dragon (basically an aussie-outer version of a Stiga Rosewood V).

It weighs 200g on the button, but as its well balanced the weight isn't a hassle. It chiquitas just fine, plus the extra weight makes it a SPINNY mofo when serving 😁😎🏓

My usual lighter set up is usually on the lighter to mid-weight side -- typically around 160gm -180gm... this 200gm set-up however is really growing on me, though I'll probably shave about 10 gram off any subsequent builds, as I like to keep my blades under the 100gm usually.

 

[Wakkibatty]

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maximum 170g for me.

Oohh that is pretty! Cork handle & walnut outers -- really nice combination visually

Matching a Loki R3P with walnut outers was a good call too... Pretty decent power to weight ratio happening there.