What's wrong with my loop?

[mocker88]

Which is exactly why this is making something that someone already struggles with even more complicated. Why would being in motion from a serve be a good thing to add as another variable, when a player already cannot properly do something from a stable and fixed starting point?

It's much more natural in a way of playing a ball. Just try it yourself. And I don't think it's that hard to do a short backspin serve and loop it. It's just two strokes and you get a much more controlled and natural situation. Compared to having his friend serving the ball as he does in wide variations in spin, speed and directions that's not normal in any game play, I think @Colestt is right on spot here

 

[ThePongCommenter]

It's much more natural in a way of playing a ball. Just try it yourself. And I don't think it's that hard to do a short backspin serve and loop it. It's just two strokes and you get a much more controlled and natural situation. Compared to having his friend serving the ball as he does in wide variations in spin, speed and directions that's not normal in any game play, I think @Colestt is right on spot here

His friend was serving the ball in wide variations in speed spin and directions? I am not sure we are watching the same video. Anyways, my point is that he needs to learn the basic topspin versus topspin stroke first, before underspin enters the picture. That is beginning coaching 101.

 

[mocker88]

His friend was serving the ball in wide variations in speed spin and directions? I am not sure we are watching the same video. Anyways, my point is that he needs to learn the basic topspin versus topspin stroke first, before underspin enters the picture. That is beginning coaching 101.

Well. Direction is similar all the time, but spin and length differs, and I thought it was a question about looping, and the best way to learn to loop is with slight backspin and if you get to perform the stroke on the third ball it's much better in my opinion.

 

[Colestt]

Coolchap needs to learn the basic forehand drive against topspin before worrying about how to loop underspin.

Maybe but in the video he's being fed backspin

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

For a more realistic ball to open, I see more people starting with the focus player serving and their partner pushing the return. Then they loop the 3rd ball

Coolchap needs to learn the basic forehand drive against topspin before worrying about how to loop underspin.

No real need for the back and forth after these two comments. Both have a point.

It will be good for OP to work on basic strokes.

If he is going to work on looping backspin, I think Cole is right here. And we do learn lots of skills simultaneously in TT. And it is hard to stop someone who wants to work on looping backspin to start doing it even if they need other skills to develop first before they will be good at it.

If you look in OP's video, his feet are pretty stuck to the ground and don't move. As a result, he is adjusting to ball placement by moving his torso and arm instead of his feet. If he served and his feet were already moving, this might not happen. It doesn't really add a level of complexity. It actually simply makes the loop happen a tiny bit more like it would in a real scenario.

If he had someone good at feeding multiball, being fed right off the bat might be fine. But I think, for what Coolchap is trying to do, Cole's suggestion makes sense. And it does not contradict the idea that CoolC needs to sure up his fundamentals and get his strokes more solid before his looping backspin will start being solid.

Both of you can have good points without this being a zero sum scenario.

 

[Der_Echte]

Many people here recommended to sync the body and hand for loop. I have different suggestion. It will take years to use body/leg movements to control your hand movement. If you want to learn spinning the ball, the key is you need to slow down and wait for the ball to come to you and then you just snap your elbow/wrist/finger to spin the ball. You probable need someone to instruct you how to do it correctly. But I think you can spin the ball decently within a month if you learn to use your wrist and fingers.

The problem you had in the video is that you do not have good timing. You moved your hand/arm too early before the ball even came to your side. Wait a little move and just use your wrist and fingers to spin it when the ball almost hit your paddle. You can have the feeling of spinning the ball in 10 minutes.

@kindof99 You have explained technically what is happening to the OP.

He has not yet learned how to time arrival of ball to strike zone and has not yet learned how to use leverage of his body with timing.

It might be simply not understanding things as some members have articulated, or it may be a bad neuron association with brain, could be all, might also be he is trying this too far ahead of time, which is not terrible if it is limited to experiencing just how difficult TT really is and gets back to sequence of basics.

If someone slows down and gets a good perspective, the feeling of things COULD be as you describe, but it is not yet likely.

OP is receiving help, but it is gunna take some time.

 

[Der_Echte]

For a more realistic ball to open, I see more people starting with the focus player serving and their partner pushing the return. Then they loop the 3rd ball

When I help beginning adults... @Colestt suggestion (allow player to serve underspin and provide a long underspin return) is what I like to do in the early stages of teaching an adult learner to loop underspin...

... but that isn't the end all know all. Sometime, at later stages, it is good to have the player loop a long 2nd ball.

Other member's comment may also be correct in that the OP may not yet be ready to learn looping.

Some coaches will have the players start trying to loop early... there is not a singular correct answer to this... it depends on the player and ability and plans.

 

[Der_Echte]

His friend was serving the ball in wide variations in speed spin and directions? I am not sure we are watching the same video. Anyways, my point is that he needs to learn the basic topspin versus topspin stroke first, before underspin enters the picture. That is beginning coaching 101.

@ThePongCommenter Who the heck are you ???!!!

You are making valid comments. ( and that can be tricky. ) (even though many solid coaches disagree on some theory and development priorities)

I would like to know you moar. Do I know you in Nor Cal?

 

[Der_Echte]

No real need for the back and forth after these two comments. Both have a point.

It will be good for OP to work on basic strokes.

If he is going to work on looping backspin, I think Cole is right here. And we do learn lots of skills simultaneously in TT. And it is hard to stop someone who wants to work on looping backspin to start doing it even if they need other skills to develop first before they will be good at it.

If you look in OP's video, his feet are pretty stuck to the ground and don't move. As a result, he is adjusting to ball placement by moving his torso and arm instead of his feet. If he served and his feet were already moving, this might not happen. It doesn't really add a level of complexity. It actually simply makes the loop happen a tiny bit more like it would in a real scenario.

If he had someone good at feeding multiball, being fed right off the bat might be fine. But I think, for what Coolchap is trying to do, Cole's suggestion makes sense. And it does not contradict the idea that CoolC needs to sure up his fundamentals and get his strokes more solid before his looping backspin will start being solid.

Both of you can have good points without this being a zero sum scenario.

I think as you see @Colestt post moar, you will see how solid he is.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I think as you see @Colestt post moar, you will see how solid he is.

If any of you did not know, colestt is the person from colestt.com which is a good site for anyone in the USA who wants TT equipment for a pretty inexpensive price.