Which blade works with FH = T05 2.1, BH = T80 2.1 ?

[madskull]

The Primorac Off- is really one of the best blades in its class ever designed and definitely, by far, the best blade in that class that Butterfly ever designed.


Why do I, personally, for me, like the Stiga blades better when the craftsmanship and durability are not as good? The Stiga blades are almost half the price and have twice the feeling. I would make that trade. More feeling for less durability when you can buy 2 for almost the same price as one.


But overall the Primorac Off- is a great great blade.

Ok, what about the thickness of the rubber? Max or 2.0?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

It sounds like you drive more than you loop and it sounds like you want control more than bouncy, so, based on what I already said in an earlier post, you want, not as thick:


Therefore 2.0 is probably better for you than max.

 

[madskull]

It sounds like you drive more than you loop and it sounds like you want control more than bouncy, so, based on what I already said in an earlier post, you want, not as thick:


Therefore 2.0 is probably better for you than max.

Ok cool, now I have to wait for these blades to be available

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Hmm. this is like the 5th thread in 7 days talkng about similar blades/rubbers.
All the replies therefore are also similar

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

To recap: what I would go for if I was you is this:


Stiga Allround Evolution
FH Xiom Vega Pro
BH Xiom Vega Europe


If you wanted a slightly sturdier blade that plays very similarly:


Stiga Tube Allround may be better for you. The Vega rubbers go really well with both of these blades.

+1
This is a good setup, low cost too

 

[Der_Echte]

Thanks for the rapid response, I play a fast over the table strikes that focus more on the placement of the ball rather than the speed as I like to shoot for the edges, I use the flick and drive shot a lot then the looping (whenever I have the chance to get a decent placement) currently I use the Killerspin 5A with Killerspin Nitrx 4Z on both sides (that was the best available paddle that I found locally) the problem I have with this blade is that I either hit the net or goes miss the table by a very small margin, also I tend to hit the ball flat on defending (working on that).

You would be sad to know that one of my ten backup bats I made on the cheap... of course blade is Galaxy 896. Cost me $15. I slapped on a discarded sheet of Sigma Euro and a 2.5 yrd old sheet of H3. Lets say the value of the rubbers used like that was USD $20. I made a mod to the blade by slowly prying an artist's putty knife under one side of the blade handle to get it slowly off, then I glued in some cut-off nails. I glued back on the handle piece and slapped the rubbers back on.

Whammo. Lightish ALL+ blade turned into OFF- / OFF class heavy weight balance of weight neutral to low, just like I like it.

I had a great over the table game with this thing. Both rubbers flick well and you cannot beat the price of near free for some awesome opening loops or counters!

I played ALMOST as well with that bat as some of my sponsored expensive setups. (Shhhh. Don't tell my sponsor!)

Any of those setups will allow you to play an attacking game, just throw a dart at the list on the wall and go for it, you won't tell the difference unless you are elite amature level. Enjoy your equipment choice, pimp it around the club and have a blast using it. Be proud of it, it is something you thought about for a while with much consideration. Kiss your wallet each time you hit a winner or point to the sky. Who says this sport has to be boring?

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Hmm. this is like the 5th thread in 7 days talkng about similar blades/rubbers.
All the replies therefore are also similar

That is why I did not write in at first but since madskull wanted my response and sent me a private message, I looked at all the info and tried to figure out what would really be best for him.

 

[Der_Echte]

The Primorac Off- is really one of the best blades in its class ever designed and definitely, by far, the best blade in that class that Butterfly ever designed.


Why do I, personally, for me, like the Stiga blades better when the craftsmanship and durability are not as good? The Stiga blades are almost half the price and have twice the feeling. I would make that trade. More feeling for less durability when you can buy 2 for almost the same price as one.


But overall the Primorac Off- is a great great blade.

Haha, the sound of reason and thrift, a similar argument I make about a simple Chinese wooden blade and a generic control rubber for even a player a bit into the advanced category haha.

 

[Der_Echte]

The Primorac Off- is really one of the best blades in its class ever designed and definitely, by far, the best blade in that class that Butterfly ever designed.


Why do I, personally, for me, like the Stiga blades better when the craftsmanship and durability are not as good? The Stiga blades are almost half the price and have twice the feeling. I would make that trade. More feeling for less durability when you can buy 2 for almost the same price as one.


But overall the Primorac Off- is a great great blade.

That is why I did not write in at first but since madskull wanted my response and sent me a private message, I looked at all the info and tried to figure out what would really be best for him.

What might be best for him is to get into a real full time club, get a lot of lessons and eventually match play and tourneys. Don't know what his situation is like or whatever, so can't say a lot. I know right now I got scant little, just one table at a USO rec center crowded next to a piano, a movie room, a video game room, and an eating area with people walking through the court every 15 seconds. Oh the floor is slippery as all letout and we were combat boots, so figure out how much any serious footwork (besides one step footwork) comes into play. The players there are typical rec center crowd USATT 1000ish players at best who like to play to 21, serve out of their hand, and their idea of a rally is pat the ball back and forth and giggle when someone misses.

Our OP might have it just as bad or worse, so I say let him enjoy whatever equipment he decides upon and be proud of it. As already mentioned, it will be 10,000% different from what he is using, which is very crappy quality and probably cost a small fortune. He would play very similar in level with my home made budget buster or the top of the line BTY stuff.

ironically, today I made it to the USO rec center and while I waited a match, I tried to refurbish a Walmart bought SP bat I bought for USD $3.50 and was VERY surprised that the SP rubber (it was OX) came right off and all I had to do was rub down the bare wood with my thumb (and risk blisters of course!) I slapped on an old sheet of XP 2008 I had in my 4th TT bag somewhere and VOILLA! I budget bat for under $5 USD !!! The OX BH was good enough for blocking, flat enough to hit high balls on BH wing, and the FH was very controllable for topspins and loops.

Yes, it did not have the same feel as my normal expensive setup, but what the heck, it wasn't like I was getting threatened of defeat by the rec crowd. I made two of these bats, one with a new rubber and plan on giving them away in the next tourney they have there I will help organize and fund a lot of it myself if no company or people step up with prizes. The rec crowd could use some kind of bat that has at least one side similar to what they are accustomed to and something else to learn form and also it would be great for them to have a bat of their own to play with at lunch, even if they are not serious about learning our sport.

I say this point to support my view of our OP's situation. We can recommend equipment left and right without it meaning much. OP will get whatever he gets and he will have to adjust no matter what, whether it is USD $400 total cost of USD $14 total cost. I do not think he is at the stage to feel the differences in a ZLF over an ALC, both these bats with any inverted rubber will play WAY different than the crappy expensive pre-made he is using and accustomed to. He will still have to find his way to a real full time club, get real coaching, make real mistakes, get real match experience and grow like the rest of us.

I support whatever bat he gets and will clap and cheer whatever vid or report he makes from his fun missions in our sport. OP asked and I had my say(s) haha. Hope he enjoys whatever he decides upon and has a lot of fun times ahead.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

And I do also think that madskull would do pretty well with the Der_Echte special:

Galaxy 896 blade ($16.00)
Dawei 2008 XP rubber ($7.00 per sheet) 2x

hahahaha

 

[Der_Echte]

haha, you have seen the trend to go to the 896 with USED rubbers to reduce the cost, then the trend to get a $3.50 FL ALL+ Wallmart OX special and add a sheet of new XP 2008 to make the cost around USD $13, then now the trend to use that Wallmart special, rip off both OX sheets and use some used sheets of discarded rubber to make a USD $4 bat.

Haha.

 

[madskull]

Tease much guys you just made me feel horrible! anyway, thanks again for the setups

Note about the clubs and couches: they are very rare in my country, still searching for a decent one.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

No, Der_Echte is making a decent point. If you can't get the right bat and you pull the rubbers off your current bat and put those Xiom Vega rubbers on, it might be good enough for now. If you can't get your hands on one of the Stiga blades or the Primorac, that would probably be good enough. If you had access to used rubbers for free, that might work as well. But it seems you don't. And those three blades I mentioned would be worth it. But, if you can't get one of them, a do it yourself special is not such a bad idea.

 

[Der_Echte]

I can understand your situation madskull.

Before I went to Korea to live 4 years and play as much TT as I could, I was bouncing back and forth to Iraq and just a rec center crowd there and in USA where I was, no real TT for 3 hours driving. it just wasn't worth it. I wasn't getting any significant playing time, no quality play time, zero coaching, and I was trying to figure the game out by myself. Needless to say, it was a miracle I ever made it to average USA club level of play. In USA, I never made it past that average club level. It took those years in Korea to grow and learn any.

I never had a good TT situation in USA, came back and it is still not very good. maybe come spring, I can do a little more travel and maybe find a quality club in Canada (Ottawa) that I might make it twice a month, who knows? I know in most USA cities, the TT situation is not very good unless you are around a rare TT epicenter. SO it may be similar or worse for you and we support you dude.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Can anyone recommend a reputable on-line supplier who would ship to madskull's area that would be able to seal the blade and put the rubbers on? One that would have Xiom rubbers and Stiga and Butterfly blades?

 

[Anders]

Can anyone recommend a reputable on-line supplier who would ship to madskull's area that would be able to seal the blade and put the rubbers on? One that would have Xiom rubbers and Stiga and Butterfly blades?

dandoy ships all over the globe, don't they?

 

[madskull]

I can understand your situation madskull.

Before I went to Korea to live 4 years and play as much TT as I could, I was bouncing back and forth to Iraq and just a rec center crowd there and in USA where I was, no real TT for 3 hours driving. it just wasn't worth it. I wasn't getting any significant playing time, no quality play time, zero coaching, and I was trying to figure the game out by myself. Needless to say, it was a miracle I ever made it to average USA club level of play. In USA, I never made it past that average club level. It took those years in Korea to grow and learn any.

I never had a good TT situation in USA, came back and it is still not very good. maybe come spring, I can do a little more travel and maybe find a quality club in Canada (Ottawa) that I might make it twice a month, who knows? I know in most USA cities, the TT situation is not very good unless you are around a rare TT epicenter. SO it may be similar or worse for you and we support you dude.

It is kinda worse here, the clubs only wants really young talents (kids) so that they train them up and use them later on, besides them no body cares.

 

[madskull]

dandoy ships all over the globe, don't they?

Rubbers are not available sadly.

 

[Der_Echte]

I hear ya madskull, I got it bad here (hopefully only another year !!) and you got it a little worse.

There are a number of resellers who will ship international at a somewhat reasonable rate of USD $5-$25...

I have bought from ALL of these vendors before.

http://www.affordablett.com.au/shop/ Rob's shop in AU

http://tabletennisshop.com.au/ Alex shop in AU

www.colestt.com cole's shop in USA email him first for a quote

http://www.eacheng.net/ eacheng in China

and my sponsor... www.nexy.com

There are likely others who will send stuff your way, maybe tt11 or others, this is just a quick list for you who will sell enough stuff to get by fine. Shipping adds cost of course, unless you live in the same country as the reseller.

 

[madskull]

Update: thanks to you guys, I have just finished purchasing my custom racket from paddle palace.

Blade: Stiga Allaround Evolution
FH: Xiom Pro Max (went for the extra speed for loops)
BH: Xiom Europe 2.0

Again Thanks everybody!

Edit: It is the Evolution not classic one.