Which is better for Jpen???

[PenHoldSandro]

there is no more jpen players any where on the elite stage in any country.
even cpen (which is stronger than jpen, hence that is why it lasted more than 1 to 2 decades longer) is slowly fading out.
Felix Lebrun is a rare case.

if Jpen is really so "special" as you put it, then you would see a lot more of them. but it is 1 to 2 decades gone already.
Jpen was good for speed, and that is 38mm days + speed glue
when 38 shifted to 40mm, it loss its speed
and it only have serves left and that too was lost when hidden serves was banned.

With modern table tennis today, jpen has no more advantages, so even jpen heroes turned coaches are avoiding jpen and teaching players to play shakehand rather.

hope that sums it up.

PS. I guess you haven't seen Ma Lin's forehand in person. he would out FH rally your jpen olympic champion or even the next 5 best jpen players any day. Felix would probably do too, even Xu Xin.

Oh, ok!
I really like Jpen too, and I see it to be really interesting. You made great points about the downfall of Penhold, but I really just enjoy the form more than that of shakehand. If you don't like Jpen, it is ok with me. But I just want to learn more about this style! I have never performed better with Jpen, so I think it is for me.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

Not really, it was used in the old times by jap players. There are still people who loves it but it’s difficult to spin with.

I’m just saying that the wood hinoki is famous for 1 ply blades.

Multiple layers are the norm in the modern world…

Cheers
L-zr

Ohh ok ok so it's more of tradition than relevance?

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Not really, it was used in the old times by jap players. There are still people who loves it but it’s difficult to spin with.

I’m just saying that the wood hinoki is famous for 1 ply blades.

Multiple layers are the norm in the modern world…

Cheers
L-zr

yeah,
let me get onto this too.

since older days, jpen is only from Japan.
Japan has its tradition in quality of wood, so blade makers would seek the most rare/expensive and quality wood to make some of the most expensive blades.

Today, it is about technology
sadly, there isn't too many jpen blade makers left today, and very little modern technology in Jpen blades, so it is difficult to compare them side by side, but i hope you get the comparison

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Oh, ok!
I really like Jpen too, and I see it to be really interesting. You made great points about the downfall of Penhold, but I really just enjoy the form more than that of shakehand. If you don't like Jpen, it is ok with me. But I just want to learn more about this style! I have never performed better with Jpen, so I think it is for me.

its not that i don't like jpen.
it is just clear of its limitation, and hence near extinction

if you really want to learn - then try and find a coach.
I doubt anyone on TTD can teach you that backhand punch with SP rubber as per your other thread.

there are still many good jpen players who are coaching today, can't say the same would be in 20 years time when they all retire and there would be no more coaches who were former jpen elite levels

 

[PenHoldSandro]

yeah,
let me get onto this too.

since older days, jpen is only from Japan.
Japan has its tradition in quality of wood, so blade makers would seek the most rare/expensive and quality wood to make some of the most expensive blades.

Today, it is about technology
sadly, there isn't too many jpen blade makers left today, and very little modern technology in Jpen blades, so it is difficult to compare them side by side, but i hope you get the comparison

I really hope Jpen comes back into relevancy, cuz it's a really beautiful style

 

[PenHoldSandro]

...it is just clear of its limitation, and hence near extinction

It has one big limitation and advantage, for me it cancels out XD
But yeah, its backhand is really weak. Wonder how RSM did it

 

[PenHoldSandro]

...TTD can teach you that backhand punch with SP rubber as per your other thread.

Why not though? There are many people here...

 

[Lazer]

Ohh ok ok so it's more of tradition than relevance?

The 1 ply yes, but hinoki still goes in multiple layered blades. I use it, hinoki or spruce as a top layer. I want it as thick as possible.

Cheers
L -zr

 

[PenHoldSandro]

The 1 ply yes, but hinoki still goes in multiple layered blades. I use it, hinoki or spruce as a top layer. I want it as thick as possible.

Cheers
L -zr

ohh ok