Why amateur players should avoid fast gear and where power really comes from in table tennis.

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Me personally I love playing with outer ALC blades. The best feeling I have had whilst doing looping drills is with an Viscaria with D09C. However, when I play matches, I perform better with a blade that flexes a tiny bit more and has a bit more dwell. Similarly, a regular tensor is more forgiving for me when I am not in perfect position or have to hit very different shots, which happens a lot to me during match play. Also, more dwell and flex makes opening up on low backspin balls easier.
So for me who do play in a league and some tournaments, I will prioritize stability before the thrill of bombing fh drives or counter looping in practice.
 
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It depends on a lor of things. The truth is that sometimes, what you get used to is what you adapt to and breaking off it can be hard.
This is very true.
One of the things that isn't accounted for is how often a player can feel TT requires too much effort and then when introduced to faster equipment, plays much bette and enjoys the fame more. This is not just true for lower rated players by the way.
I have for sure seen this in people with low condition (and no motivation or means to improve it) or health limitations. Not saying it applies to others as well but it is true this happens.
 
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I am Italian but I live in Madrid, Spain, and I think we are the biggest club (in terms of numbers of players) in Spain, I wouldn't say it's normal, even if I'm quite sure all the medium-big clubs in the region have at least one coach.
Ah nice! I used to work and live in Madrid (I'm originally spanish from Zaragoza) and have some friends from Collado Mediano, great people, what's your club? :)
P.S. when I say Viscaria blade, I also mean Timo Boll ALC that is really the same (yes, yes, there is some difference, but it's the same racket really), or one of the many blades from competition that are really similar.
Even Timo himself said the other time on the TTD podcast that it's pretty much the same, just different branding.
P.P.S.: my favourite example is an old player (75-80 years old) with little to no mobility who is passionate about ping-pong and is at a very very low level (he doesn't compete and if he did he would lose at the lowest level) who uses a SALC Viscaria with top rubbers (don't remember which) which is in every way detrimental for his game, he has 0 or negative control. But his focus is not competing nor winning, he just has fun and once I had a chat with him and asked what his motivations are (mainly stay active and social and have fun) I do not tell him to change his blade and rubbers, because he has fun with it and doesn't care. But point remains that any other blade and rubber would really be better for him.

P.P.P.S.: The international very low level professional on the verge to semi-pro player who switched from wood to carbon looking for a bit more power (he is an incredibly stable player but lacking finishing shots) plays exactly the same as before, with the same results. Because guess what: his technique is the same.
These 2 things are so true.
 
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This is very true.

I have for sure seen this in people with low condition (and no motivation or means to improve it) or health limitations. Not saying it applies to others as well but it is true this happens.
I have seen it in perfectly healthy people, some of whom play feeling based styles, some of whom just hit the ball. and use the extra speed to get quality and like the fact they don't need to do big swings to get it. Sometimes, it is kids who also want to play from distance (most people here would argue that Faraji is using equipment that is much too fast but that might be tied to his initial success). But very often, such equipment lets kids compete with adults in rallies (I remember I once lost to a kid using a Sardius) and T05FX. There are also the blockers who even when healthy don't want to exert effort. And finally, there are coaches who raise kids to play with fast blades with driving styles.

I get the generalizations but sometimes, these things are coming out of the traditional framework. What would help was if people actually put real data into these things. What you wrote in the article was more philosophical than anything else. There are many reasonable philosophies to building a player when it comes to equipment. Everyone can argue with philosophies but it is a bit harder to argue with data. That's why I am sharing some of these anecdotes because I find that in table tennis, a lot of traditional wisdom has underlying assumptions that are not fleshed out.

As an expert, you should be willing and able to flesh them out.
 
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I have seen it in perfectly healthy people, some of whom play feeling based styles, some of whom just hit the ball. and use the extra speed to get quality and like the fact they don't need to do big swings to get it. Sometimes, it is kids who also want to play from distance (most people here would argue that Faraji is using equipment that is much too fast but that might be tied to his initial success). But very often, such equipment lets kids compete with adults in rallies (I remember I once lost to a kid using a Sardius) and T05FX. There are also the blockers who even when healthy don't want to exert effort. And finally, there are coaches who raise kids to play with fast blades with driving styles.

I get the generalizations but sometimes, these things are coming out of the traditional framework. What would help was if people actually put real data into these things. What you wrote in the article was more philosophical than anything else. There are many reasonable philosophies to building a player when it comes to equipment. Everyone can argue with philosophies but it is a bit harder to argue with data. That's why I am sharing some of these anecdotes because I find that in table tennis, a lot of traditional wisdom has underlying assumptions that are not fleshed out.

As an expert, you should be willing and able to flesh them out.
Agreed to both paragraphs, on the first one agreed to losing to kids with fast rackets, when I was training at the borussia dusseldorf place (the andro tt schule in reality) there was an 11 year old kid, Lukas, ranked 3rd in germany under 11 (2y ago ish) and he was hitting harder than any person in my club has hitted before in training. With a zlf blade and tenergies, and he was only 11, barely taller than the table really, it was mad.

Also, the blocker i mentioned before of 50y old, he now has viscaria super alc with dignics, same story as you mention, just chill blocking my shots with good placement :)

And yes, about fleshing things out, I have many examples of this. One of the guys at our club, called Raoul, was complaining that he couldn't get enough speed from his G-1 rubbers. He plays max on both sides. I said to him, how is it possible, G-1 isn't slow, then saw he was constantly brushing upwards. Using all his body to do this but still no power. In one session together i showed him how to hit through (hit-brush) and since then, he almost had to change rubbers as now many of his shots have too much power. I told him not to change and just adapt :)

Another couple examples:
- My friend Daan is an EJ like me, and we discuss equipment a lot together. The last time he was missing speed so he bought a SKC and put vega pro on both sides. I told him it was going to be too fast for his technique, but he is stubborn and likes to try stuff. After a couple weeks indeed it was too fast and stiff, he was missing too much and lost feeling. So we talked again and now he has his old korbel and a new innerforce. He downgraded rubbers to glayzer 09c and xiom vega europe and he is much happier now. Has more control, can focus on full body usage and puts more balls on the table.
- Tony, which is a young talent and a great kid was asking me to change equipment after he got tenergy 05 coming from hurricane 3. He plays at an intermediate regional level but has the power to grow a lot. I said you to him that he was gonna have trouble controlling that tenergy specially coming from hurricane 3 and knowing his level. That was indeed the case, he was landing 1 shot amazingly, but missing the other 5. Btw, this was on an old 08X, a great blade. In the end, now he is back to H3 but only chnaged blade to my long 3 (which i didn't use anymore) and 8-80 on BH. He lately won the south holland championships in his category, and ofc this is not only equipment, not at all, his technique is much better now as he trains a lot, but gear is at least not in his way.

Lastly, there are also many examples of our beginners, most of them in fact, who come the first weeks with a premade bat, dead slippery rubbers and then complain they cant play. We have beginner blades at the club with 729fx rubbers on an intro andro blade, sometimes also on stiga AC. Once they understand the technique, they have no trouble spinning and putting speed into the ball, even with such slow racket and rubbers. My point being that with right coaching and gear that doesn't hurt them, you can put a lot of power on the shots.

And we also have examples of the opposite side. Some of our older players with health limitations have actually started playing better with donic true carbon and rasanter blades. I would never advice this for a beginner with normal conditions and a young age, but for them, because their health is a factor, this has actually help them play better and enjoy more. Also a beautiful story.

I'm always up for fleshing it out, 100% agree that theory is just words, facts is what makes it real :)
 
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Me personally I love playing with outer ALC blades. The best feeling I have had whilst doing looping drills is with an Viscaria with D09C. However, when I play matches, I perform better with a blade that flexes a tiny bit more and has a bit more dwell. Similarly, a regular tensor is more forgiving for me when I am not in perfect position or have to hit very different shots, which happens a lot to me during match play. Also, more dwell and flex makes opening up on low backspin balls easier.
So for me who do play in a league and some tournaments, I will prioritize stability before the thrill of bombing fh drives or counter looping in practice.
Probably due to the pressure and nerves factor no? In real competitions (and also in training to get used to it), playing at 80% of power is much better than playing for winners, so I can definitely agree to this.
 
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I suspect a large part of this is due to the traditional Dutch mentality (both the lack of pips and high end gear).
- If it works, don't change it. Players growing up with wood blades or slow "carbon" equivalents like Waldner Senso Carbon (I see quite a lot of this specific blade in the higher regional classes up to division levels) are unlikely to change. Coaches are unlikely to advise anything faster. Using fast equipment is considered bragging and bragging is a negative thing in our culture.
- Pimples, about 80% of pimple players I know of are people who are old, in the category that they started playing when pimples were still the mainstay type of rubber. There were maybe 5 pimples players under the age of 60 in the recent regionals tournament, out of 250+ entries.

People don't want to stand out, don't want to be different, because doing that has such negative connotations in our culture. "Just be normal, that's crazy enough." is one of those famous Dutch sayings that just illustrates all of this perfectly.

Honestly, sometimes I feel like playing an attacking is even regarded as too much (in the lower regions). People don't believe in improving by taking risks.
Btw, this is so true @Tyce , 'doe normaal man, doe je al gek genoeg! de nederlandse nuchterheid, nooit je hoofd te veel steken he haha i do love it though, we spaniards dont have that, my wife has taught me this and i enjoy it :D

And yes, oldies play pips, and they love talking to you in games to play the psychological game, i do enjoy that too, lovely grandpas and grandmas :D
 
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There were some that were told that they had started with equipment that was too fast and they should use something slower. They often didn't like it. But what I never did because they never seriously competed was get into serve return training, which is usually where lots of interesting things really start...
... or end. I think struggles with serve return cause more potential enthusiasts to quit the game (literally or by turning to long pips) than anything else. When it comes to equipment, it's not usually the blade that make this more difficult. It's overly spin sensitive and reactive rubber like T05, the most notorious serial killer of early tt enthusiasm.
 
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Would you laugh similarly if an old woman learning to drive took a Porsche out? A Lexus?
Yes.

Actually, I'd probably be too worried about grandma's safety to laugh if someone put her behind the wheel of a Porsche with anywhere from 300-800+ horsepower and no driving experience.

A Lexus on the other hand is just a Toyota in a nice dress. Like a Nittaku Acoustic 😂. Maybe a little fancy for learning on, but dependable and safe enough.
 
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Good read this topic. Thanks!

I, like many others, have been on this route with fast equipment a little too soon. What I noticed was that when playing people that create little to no spin like children and your average beginner (also anti and pimples) it is very easy for them to make you lose to yourself if that makes sense.
 
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Ah nice! I used to work and live in Madrid (I'm originally spanish from Zaragoza) and have some friends from Collado Mediano, great people, what's your club? :)
I play in Madrid CTM! I have come back to this beautiful sport 3 years ago and our club has grown exponentially in the last few years :D .
I certainly know people from the Collado Mediano club, actually their best young Spanish player who was playing superliga there a couple of years ago is now one of our players and coaches :D
 
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Me personally I love playing with outer ALC blades. The best feeling I have had whilst doing looping drills is with an Viscaria with D09C. However, when I play matches, I perform better with a blade that flexes a tiny bit more and has a bit more dwell. Similarly, a regular tensor is more forgiving for me when I am not in perfect position or have to hit very different shots, which happens a lot to me during match play. Also, more dwell and flex makes opening up on low backspin balls easier.
So for me who do play in a league and some tournaments, I will prioritize stability before the thrill of bombing fh drives or counter looping in practice.
The ultimate challenge and endless debate of table tennis is about the best rubber...when the question should be the "right rubber".. everyone's setup is personal to their individual level and how they play and want to play.
 
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... or end. I think struggles with serve return cause more potential enthusiasts to quit the game (literally or by turning to long pips) than anything else. When it comes to equipment, it's not usually the blade that make this more difficult. It's overly spin sensitive and reactive rubber like T05, the most notorious serial killer of early tt enthusiasm.
Agreed, together nowadays with 09c and soon to be joined by zyre 03.
Good read.

I call the 09C the confidence killer for developing players. If you can't hit through it to activate the sponge, then it is an expensive bit of rubber that destroys your game :)
Thanks! Yes fully agree, as a 09c user myself, I still struggle sometimes to either activate the sponge if im very tired and my feet/body don't want to do what I want it to do OR if I block passively instead of counterloop, this happens sometimes with very low heavy loops, I think most of us amateurs find those hard. For a normal beginner or low intermediate, 09c for me in the avoid category for sure. Glayzer 09c can work, but still is not the easiest rubber to play with.
Yes.

Actually, I'd probably be too worried about grandma's safety to laugh if someone put her behind the wheel of a Porsche with anywhere from 300-800+ horsepower and no driving experience.

A Lexus on the other hand is just a Toyota in a nice dress. Like a Nittaku Acoustic 😂. Maybe a little fancy for learning on, but dependable and safe enough.
Very true this hahahah
Good read this topic. Thanks!

I, like many others, have been on this route with fast equipment a little too soon. What I noticed was that when playing people that create little to no spin like children and your average beginner (also anti and pimples) it is very easy for them to make you lose to yourself if that makes sense.
Thanks! Yeah, it is sometimes hard to play against a blocker/hitter with rubbers that are 20y old and fully slippery/dead if they know what they are doing.
 
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I play in Madrid CTM! I have come back to this beautiful sport 3 years ago and our club has grown exponentially in the last few years :D .
I certainly know people from the Collado Mediano club, actually their best young Spanish player who was playing superliga there a couple of years ago is now one of our players and coaches :D
Ah nice!! If you go to collado one of these days, say hello to ricky and iñaki from me, great guys ❤️ Good to hear about the club! Hope it keeps going :D
 
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Agreed, together nowadays with 09c and soon to be joined by zyre 03.

Thanks! Yes fully agree, as a 09c user myself, I still struggle sometimes to either activate the sponge if im very tired and my feet/body don't want to do what I want it to do OR if I block passively instead of counterloop, this happens sometimes with very low heavy loops, I think most of us amateurs find those hard. For a normal beginner or low intermediate, 09c for me in the avoid category for sure. Glayzer 09c can work, but still is not the easiest rubber to play with.

Very true this hahahah

Thanks! Yeah, it is sometimes hard to play against a blocker/hitter with rubbers that are 20y old and fully slippery/dead if they know what they are doing.
Sounds like we have both had the same experience with the D09C and G09C.
 
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Yes.

Actually, I'd probably be too worried about grandma's safety to laugh if someone put her behind the wheel of a Porsche with anywhere from 300-800+ horsepower and no driving experience.

A Lexus on the other hand is just a Toyota in a nice dress. Like a Nittaku Acoustic 😂. Maybe a little fancy for learning on, but dependable and safe enough.
The main point here is that it is all about the perspective you are bringing to the problem, and that part of the problem is really people getting jealous of people using things they didn't want to pay for, but it gets reframed in terms of being smarter etc. While the joke of a Lexus being a glorified Toyota is common, as someone who has owned both of multiple locations, I have never found the joke to match my experience.
 
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