WTT Singapore Smash 2025 (30 Jan ~ 9 Feb 2025)

[pongfugrasshopper]

View attachment 34566К.M. - Top - 10 ?

Yes. At a minimum she's a semi-finalist worth 700 pts. Her new ranking at a minimum would be 1505-15+700=2190 which would be right behind Mima Ito at #9, SYB #10, QTY #11. If she beats CXT, she jumps up to Odo's spot at #7. If she becomes champion, she jumps into Miwa's spot at #6.

 

[Shine]

CM is out, and you think ZYL has a chance?
don't forget, so many of them were invited for Asian Cup, but denied by CTTA.
The Chinese fans are pissed.
out with the old, in with the new in the focus now.
But maybe CNT needs to change culture and have proper merit system - of which you state they have.... but now saying they have age culture and out with the merit, haha


For Fan Siqi she had more than 1 tournament.
When I bring out results, you say its just one tournament. HAHAHA

Why does she have one tournament? that is my whole argument here.
there is no merit system.
If there is merit system, Fan would play way more tournament, since she can beat CNT core players as well as top foreigners (in the past 2 years, she only lost to 1 non Chinese).



who thinks this way? many countries are fair. like Japan, Korea, Germany and Taiwan. Enter non core players to play in feeders? so difficult? or no money??
CNT is the country with the least amount of WTT partipation in the top tiers, and you can't even argue there is no space for Fan to play.... there is lots of oppurtunities.

mind you Fan was WR12, due to her good results, but not good enough.
you think WR12 can't play for Japan, Korea, Germany, Taiwan and only have 1 tournament a year, which is in China and China can field dozens of players??

But when Fan comes out and wins core players, she goes home and back into sparing roles and sees no more tournament. So what is the purpose of what you say - get merits, and play more because CNT is fair?

well, nobody have any idea who you are, or what you know, but I sure know a lot of people, including within CNT.
I atleast am helping Fan Siqi finding a league to play in, in Europe
So, tell me, who are you, and how are you involved with CNT players?

incase you have more excuse, here is Fan's results between 2023 and 2024, and I didn't bother copying them all.
Her win rate is super high, and that isn't good enough to play more than 6 tournaments in 2 years. No matter how you spin excuses about merit and they need to do better, the fact is, you are good enough, but you are not good enough in the eyes of the head coach.
If you dig deep (which I am sure you are afraid to do so), you will find this with many players. Yu is just 1 example and now Fan is the second. I'm not going to waste any more of my precious time on a fake user like you, who just trolls arounds and argues my facts are "internet rumors". Now I need to get back in help PROS players and league placement for next season.

WANG Yidi (CHN)

FAN Siqi (CHN)

WS

Main Draw

R64

2 - 3

9:11 9:11 11:7 11:7 7:11

FAN Siqi

FAN Siqi (CHN)

LI Yake (CHN)

WS

Qualification

QR16

3 - 0

11:8 11:8 12:10

FAN Siqi

FAN Siqi (CHN)

SHI Xunyao (CHN)

WS

Main Draw

SemiFinal

3 - 2

12:10 9:11 3:11 11:8 11:4

FAN Siqi

FAN Siqi (CHN)

ZHANG Rui (CHN)

WS

Main Draw

Final

4 - 3

6:11 5:11 11:5 11:7 11:9 7:11 11:5

FAN Siqi

LIU Weishan (CHN)

FAN Siqi (CHN)

WS

Main Draw

SemiFinal

1 - 3

11:2 9:11 3:11 11:13

FAN Siqi

KUAI Man (CHN)

FAN Siqi (CHN)

WS

Main Draw

R16

0 - 3

8:11 9:11 5:11

FAN Siqi

Out with the old, in with the new has always been the focus. CM benefited, FZD benefited, they shouldn't play victims now, they know how it goes.

You act like China has so much logistics and cash to burn on inconsequential feeders to ensure everyone gets a chance to play. Their top players don't play all the tournaments so mid-level players would play even less. It's not rocket science.
She beat Kuai Man and Wang Yidi once, and so? Zhou Yu and Ren Hao have beaten FZD before, can you objectively say that they are better than him or deserve more chances than him?
There are 30 players on the female team, FSQ would have had to play harder to secure a spot. Of course, it's inevitable that some people would feel slighted since it's the JOB of the head coach to choose out of 30 players.

The mere fact that strategy and team synergy exists means some players would be preferred over other players. Most of last year tournaments had Hirano getting the bench and Miwa starring in the matches. You think this is "fair" to Hirano?? Or you think JNT paying for some players to play at the main tournaments and asking others to pay out of their own pocket is "fair" in the real sense of the world. Or the shenanigans that happened in Korea not too long ago was fair to JJH and JCH??
Was Germany prioritising Dima and Timo over QD fair despite QD outperforming them on the world stage fair?? Try a little honesty and instrospection on your biases and what you deem as fair, and maybe you'd see that you're not being totally honest with the realities of coaching a large team and satisfying everyone's egos.

Easy for you to chastise and blame from your high seat, but when you have results and KPIs to deliver. You won't be waxing this lyrical about fairness and whatnot.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Out with the old, in with the new has always been the focus. CM benefited, FZD benefited, they shouldn't play victims now, they know how it goes.

You act like China has so much logistics and cash to burn on inconsequential feeders to ensure everyone gets a chance to play. Their top players don't play all the tournaments so mid-level players would play even less. It's not rocket science.
She beat Kuai Man and Wang Yidi once, and so? Zhou Yu and Ren Hao have beaten FZD before, can you objectively say that they are better than him or deserve more chances than him?
There are 30 players on the female team, FSQ would have had to play harder to secure a spot. Of course, it's inevitable that some people would feel slighted since it's the JOB of the head coach to choose out of 30 players.

The mere fact that strategy and team synergy exists means some players would be preferred over other players. Most of last year tournaments had Hirano getting the bench and Miwa starring in the matches. You think this is "fair" to Hirano?? Or you think JNT paying for some players to play at the main tournaments and asking others to pay out of their own pocket is "fair" in the real sense of the world. Or the shenanigans that happened in Korea not too long ago was fair to JJH and JCH??
Was Germany prioritising Dima and Timo over QD fair despite QD outperforming them on the world stage fair?? Try a little honesty and instrospection on your biases and what you deem as fair, and maybe you'd see that you're not being totally honest with the realities of coaching a large team and satisfying everyone's egos.

Easy for you to chastise and blame from your high seat, but when you have results and KPIs to deliver. You won't be waxing this lyrical about fairness and whatnot.

are you really using Hirano in comparison with Fan Siqi?
you are clueless

tell me, how many WTT Hirano played, while she is "benched".
nothing you can say with Dima or who ever, can justify 6 WTT events in 2 years with a top 15 ranked player in Fan Siqi.
your comparison is really, laughable. tell me all those jjh, jch, qd, tb, how many WTT they played in 2023~2024?? you can't compare them with Fan.... major facepalm

you sound more and more like the foreigner affairs spokesperson for china.
the more you trying to spin the facts, the more laughable it becomes.
everyone can surely see through your reasoning now.

Trust me, no country has a 80% win rate player that is WR12, that can't play WTT. Okay, I am wrong - North Korea is one.
China is the other.
who else?

 

[boretennis]

is it possible to watch the matches without audio commentary? or at least with someone else than Adam Bobrow?

 

[piligrim]

Personally I think 13 and 3 serves would work perfectly.
11 is only just too short I reckon so
15 would be a bit long.
Also, in ratio to the 21 and 5 (assuming that was OK) then 13 and 3 works perfectly.

How about 5 and 1?

 

[backspacer]

is it possible to watch the matches without audio commentary? or at least with someone else than Adam Bobrow?

No.

 

[NetProphet]

How about 5 and 1?

First to 12 sets, go!!!

 

[piligrim]

is it possible to watch the matches without audio commentary? or at least with someone else than Adam Bobrow?

Turn sound off

 

[NextLevel]

For him, this is already a huge achievement. He was lucky in this tournament - fate sent him two right-handers with a grip like his brother Felix. In the semi-finals, he has nothing to lose and can just play for his and our pleasure.

He wasn't lucky, he is almost the most physically talented player in the world and extremely creative. Probably the only player in Europe with a legitimate chance of beating Chinese players consistently at his best because his ball quality and defense need to be respected. If he learns how to beat the likes of Hugo consistently, I think he will be ready.

 

[Miwa]

is it possible to watch the matches without audio commentary? or at least with someone else than Adam Bobrow?

You can if you're in China or got a China VPN, 咪咕 app provide 3 versions: no commentary, Chinese and English commentary.

 

[mcfly]

is it possible to watch the matches without audio commentary? or at least with someone else than Adam Bobrow?

is he too white for you

 

[boretennis]

is he too white for you

at least not the type of personality i can easily connect to

 

[kindof99]

at least not the type of personality i can easily connect to

Adam is a treasure compared to most chinese commenters. Most of them are largely biased for their favorite players.

 

[NetProphet]

is he too white for you

Pretty mcfly for a white guy

 

[NetProphet]

To those long in the tooth, seen more than the rest of us, good judge of player, technically sound, tactically savvy members in here, has any player impressed you more than Lin Shidong at the same age?

I just watched his match today V LYJ and even after Lin Yun-Ju showed what he can do for 3 games, Lin Shidong just dismissed him with nonchalance... again 🤷
His performances here and his second half of 2024 have me wondering have I ever seen better at 18-19 years of age.
I don't think I have!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

To those long in the tooth, seen more than the rest of us, good judge of player, technically sound, tactically savvy members in here, has any player impressed you more than Lin Shidong at the same age?

I just watched his match today V LYJ and even after Lin Yun-Ju showed what he can do for 3 games, Lin Shidong just dismissed him with nonchalance... again 🤷
His performances here and his second half of 2024 have me wondering have I ever seen better at 18-19 years of age.
I don't think I have!

that is he is really 18-19 years old, haha
well, we will never know, but LSD seems to be the only good story to tell for CNT entering 2025.
WCQ could just become another XX and get over taken in terms WR no1 players and no gold medals

 

[NextLevel]

To those long in the tooth, seen more than the rest of us, good judge of player, technically sound, tactically savvy members in here, has any player impressed you more than Lin Shidong at the same age?

I just watched his match today V LYJ and even after Lin Yun-Ju showed what he can do for 3 games, Lin Shidong just dismissed him with nonchalance... again 🤷
His performances here and his second half of 2024 have me wondering have I ever seen better at 18-19 years of age.
I don't think I have!

Fan Zhendong.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

To those long in the tooth, seen more than the rest of us, good judge of player, technically sound, tactically savvy members in here, has any player impressed you more than Lin Shidong at the same age?

I just watched his match today V LYJ and even after Lin Yun-Ju showed what he can do for 3 games, Lin Shidong just dismissed him with nonchalance... again 🤷
His performances here and his second half of 2024 have me wondering have I ever seen better at 18-19 years of age.
I don't think I have!

Harimoto, FZD, Felix, even at earlier ages, to name a few...

 

[NextLevel]

Harimoto, FZD, Felix, even at earlier ages, to name a few...

I think ML scarred FZD so much that no one can really appreciate FZD the way I think he should be appreciated. Harimoto, I put an asterisk next to because by 18-19, it was clear that his technical and ball reading forehand issues were making him susceptible to lower rated losses. But FZD was a complete monster, he just couldn't scale the Ma Long hurdle. If he had won in 2017, TT history would have been very different.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think ML scarred FZD so much that no one can really appreciate FZD the way I think he should be appreciated. Harimoto, I put an asterisk next to because by 18-19, it was clear that his technical and ball reading forehand issues were making him susceptible to lower rated losses. But FZD was a complete monster, he just couldn't scale the Ma Long hurdle. If he had won in 2017, TT history would have been very different.

well, Ma Long did say the future is Fan Zhendongs

and then FZD retires before Ma Long