says
Shoo...nothing to see here. - zeio
3 months on, not just at Tieba, but Hayata's image has also been tarnished at 5ch as well. Her injury and the WT gold at ATTC 2024 do not help (86 mentions of Hirano, 72 of Ito, 56 of Harimoto siblings).
https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1731169680/
0330 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 13:36:50.07
>>318
組織図を見たけど、色々とツッコミどころがあるな
>>328
早田は悪い意味で多くの人の注目を集める事になったから、中国選手と多くの日本人からは腫れ物扱いになっている
戦績が如何に優れていようと、水谷みたく発言にセルフコントロールが効かないのは卓球界としてはリスク因子
ID:W+MalMHe(2/3)
>>328
Hayata has attracted a lot of attention in a bad way, so Chinese players and many Japanese players treat her as a sore spot
No matter how good her track record is, being unable to control her statements like Mizutani is a risk factor for the table tennis world
0332 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 14:17:16.67
早田と水谷の発言を一緒にするとは、、
こんなところで印象操作しても無意味だよ
1
ID:sH+i1wlj(2/4)
To lump Hayata's and Mizutani's comments together...
There's no point in manipulating people's impressions in this sort of place
0341 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 19:16:15.09
>>338
早田の発言は基本的にお喋りが招く自己責任なので他人に迷惑はかけてない
水谷はとにかく他人を下げるために意図的だから嫌われる
男子A選手「スポンサーないんです、遠征費のお金に困ってます」
↓その直後
水谷「卓球界でお金に困ってる人見たことないですよ~みんな小金持ち」
これをメディアで発信
他人の事実無根情報を正しい情報として発信するのが水谷
早田はこんな水谷と一緒にされるのは可哀想
2
ID:sH+i1wlj(4/4)
Hayata's comments are basically her own fault for chatter, so she's not causing trouble to others
Mizutani is disliked because he intentionally tries to put others down
Male A player: "I don't have a sponsor, I'm struggling with money for travel expenses" [TL's note: Tanaka?]
↓Right after that
Mizutani: "I've never seen anyone struggling with money in the table tennis world - everyone is a bit rich"
This is broadcast in the media
Mizutani is the one who broadcasts other people's unfounded information as correct information
It's a shame that Hayata is lumped together with Mizutani like this
0348 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 21:07:10.28
>>341
>早田の発言は基本的にお喋りが招く自己責任なので他人に迷惑はかけてない
NHKでのショーメ連呼はまあそう言う程度として許されるとしても、特攻会館発言は政治的な波紋を呼び、表彰式で見られた「スポーツを通じて得られた国際理解」の姿を台無しにしてしまったし、また中国協会所属選手のTリーグ参加表明を遅らせるなど、劉国梁に対して何らかのアクションをせざるを得ない状況に追い込んだ
詳細は明らかではないが、この件と中国国内で行われる大会への日本選手参加可否については、日本協会が釈明をせざるを得ない状況となっていたであろう
事ほど左様に、他人に迷惑を掛けていないどころか、日中国民レベルでは分断の機会を作ってしまい、また日本協会としては中国協会に大きな借りを作ってしまった
この見方が誤っているならば、是非ご指摘頂きたい
1
ID:UzilaVFQ
Even if her repeated chanting of Chaumet on NHK can be forgiven for being so, her comments of the Special Attack museum caused political ripples, ruining the "international understanding gained through sports" seen at the awards ceremony, and forcing the CTTA and Liu Guoliang to take some kind of action, such as delaying the announcement of the CTTA's players' participation in the T-League
The details are unclear, but the JTTA would have been forced to explain this matter and whether Japanese players could participate in tournaments held in China
As you can see, far from causing any trouble to others, it has created an opportunity for division at the civilian level between Japanese and Chinese citizens, and the JTTA has owed the CTTA a great debt
If this view is incorrect, please point it out
0350 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 21:22:27.01
個人の信教、思想等の自由は状況を越えて存することは常識だ。
早田はとんでもなく傲慢で世間知らずだとは思うが
早田の発言は、こいつおかしいんじゃねえの、程度のものだ
ID:4EoVy1Jl
It is common sense that the freedom of an individual's religion, thoughts, etc. exists regardless of circumstances
I think Hayata is incredibly arrogant and ignorant
Hayata's comments are just like, "Isn't this gal very weird?"
0352 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 21:35:43.03
早田は神風に乗って戦場に舞い戻ってくる
ファイナルでは必勝を祈る
ID:JJ8xqNv2(2/2)
Hayata will ride the kamikaze and return to the battlefield
I pray for her victory at the Finals
0354 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 22:17:18.40
早田は余計な発信はしないようにしている?
今日もXはニッタクのリポストだけ
ID:fiPciWMb
Is Hayata trying not to make unnecessary statements?
Today, she is just reposting Nittaku on her X
0355 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 22:19:48.88
早田に何一つ勝てるところがない超劣化早田の石川オタが早田を叩いているなw
石川オタカッコ悪っwwwww
2
ID:/LYLAwCW
Ishikawa otakus who are super inferior Hayata and have nothing to beat her are bashing her lol
Ishikawa otakus are uncool lol
0357 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 00:09:54.89
>>355
美貌と頭の悪い発言をしないところは石川が勝ってる
どっちのファンでもないけど
1
ID:3CRyjuIr
Ishikawa wins in terms of beauty and not making stupid remarks
I'm not a fan of either though
0365 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 09:43:17.29
>>355
あと年収でも石川が勝ってるんじゃね
ID:CcxFPmJp(1/15)
Also, Ishikawa probably wins in terms of annual income
0369 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 10:05:08.79
最近意図的に早田を下げるようなコメントが多いのは不可解だね
5ちゃんだけの話なら問題ないけども
むしろ五輪個人メダル獲ったんだから世卓の切符は自動的に取っても良いぐらいの意見があっても良いのにそれもないし
五輪の価値を下げるならそれなりの方向性になっていかないと
どんどん日本の女子卓球界は歪むと思うし、常に休養もなく酷使も必須だな
1
ID:k2v9Ewvd(1/2)
It's puzzling that there have been so many comments intentionally putting Hayata down recently
If it was just on 5chan, there would be no problem
Rather, there should be opinions that since she won an individual Olympic medal, she should automatically get a ticket to the WTTC, but there aren't any
If you want to lower the value of the Olympics, you have to go in that direction
I think the Japanese women's table tennis world will become more and more distorted, and constant lack of rest and overwork will be the norm
0370 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 10:40:28.34
>>357
いーや石川は早田以上に頭の悪い発言や行動をしてるぜ
北朝鮮戦と当たらないでラッキーだったや早田が伊藤と加藤に負けして大喜びしていたからな(自分では早田に勝てない為、他が早田を倒してくれてラッキーだから)
組み合わせ運や当たり運に恵まれて堂々と喜びを表している非常識な行動を取っている奴なんて石川と水谷ぐらいだよ
スペインのシェイヤンフェイに苦言を言われているのも石川ぐらい
ID:baPkQEWn
No, Ishikawa makes stupider remarks and acts even more stupidly than Hayata
She was lucky not to face North Korea, and was overjoyed when Hayata lost to Ito and Kato (because she couldn't beat Hayata herself, and was lucky that others beat her)
The only people who are acting in an unreasonable way and openly express their joy when they are lucky with a combination or a hit are Ishikawa and Mizutani
Ishikawa is also the only one who is being criticized by Spain's Shen Yanfei
0371 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 10:55:00.75
石川かわいいじゃん
特にバスケのCM最高
ID:CcxFPmJp(3/15)
Ishikawa is cute, isn't she?
Especially the basketball commercial is the best
0372 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 10:57:27.62
まぁけど実際早田のこの軽率な発言で中国から反感を買う結果になったのは事実なわけだからそこは反省して欲しいところだ
中国もそんなことで怒んなよって言う人の気持ちも分からなくは無いが、あの銅メダルを獲得した直後の注目されるコメントでは少しでも際どい発言はするべきではない
ID:QgfCJjeB
Well, it's true that Hayata's reckless remarks caused China's resentment, so I hope she reflects on that
I can understand the feelings of those who say China shouldn't be angry about something like that, but she shouldn't have made any risky remarks that attract attentions right after winning that bronze medal
0373 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:01:23.49
もう引退して1年半だぜ
ここでぐちゃぐちゃ文句言ってるほうが異常
早田なら引退してそれぐらいたてばもう誰も
話題にもしなくなると思うよ
2
ID:CcxFPmJp(4/15)
It's been a year and a half since she [Ishikawa] retired
It's abnormal to complain here
I think that if it's been that long since Hayata retired, no one would even talk about her anymore
0374 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:03:36.43
中国から反感ねぇ・・
反感する人は最初から日本のことなんて好きじゃないんだよ
元々日本選手を応援してくれる中国人ファンの方が良い人が多いしそんな発言気にしてない
2
ID:k2v9Ewvd(2/2)
No resentment from China...
People who resent never liked Japan in the first place
There are many Chinese fans who support Japanese athletes and are better people, so they don't care about such comments
0382 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:20:51.53
馬龍とジェンドンはまだ早田を許してないからな
当然福岡でやる大会も出ない
1
ID:d5loidT1
Ma Long and Zhendong still haven't forgiven Hayata
Naturally, they won't be participating in the tournament in Fukuoka
0383 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:23:11.92
>>374
ファンは気にしていないのは分かるけどあの発言で反感持った人のほうが何倍も多いのでは?
ID:zVam0u09(2/5)
I know the fans don't care, but aren't there many more people who were resentful because of that comment?
0388 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:31:28.36
>>382
馬龍とジェンドンはノンビリしてるだけで別に早田のことなんか考えてねーよw
ID:bHX2Dftf(2/2)
Ma Long and Zhendong are just taking it easy and aren't really thinking about Hayata lol
0407 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 14:03:47.97
そりゃ単純に強い選手の方が中国人人気高いだろ
特攻館の発言で叩くのは元々ファンじゃないか、離れたファンがいたとして一部
だからってあんないらん発言すんなとは日本人目線で思うけど(特攻館にはアジア侵略を肯定するような展示もある)
ID:Tba9m7BO
Well, the stronger players are more popular with Chinese people
The ones who criticize the comments in the Special Attack museum are the fans to begin with, and even if there are fans who have left, it's only a few
But from a Japanese perspective, I think you shouldn't make such pointless comments (there is also an exhibit in the Special Attack museum that seems to affirm the invasion of Asia)
https://mao.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/pingpong/1731169680/
0330 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 13:36:50.07
>>318
組織図を見たけど、色々とツッコミどころがあるな
>>328
早田は悪い意味で多くの人の注目を集める事になったから、中国選手と多くの日本人からは腫れ物扱いになっている
戦績が如何に優れていようと、水谷みたく発言にセルフコントロールが効かないのは卓球界としてはリスク因子
ID:W+MalMHe(2/3)
>>328
Hayata has attracted a lot of attention in a bad way, so Chinese players and many Japanese players treat her as a sore spot
No matter how good her track record is, being unable to control her statements like Mizutani is a risk factor for the table tennis world
0332 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 14:17:16.67
早田と水谷の発言を一緒にするとは、、
こんなところで印象操作しても無意味だよ
1
ID:sH+i1wlj(2/4)
To lump Hayata's and Mizutani's comments together...
There's no point in manipulating people's impressions in this sort of place
0341 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 19:16:15.09
>>338
早田の発言は基本的にお喋りが招く自己責任なので他人に迷惑はかけてない
水谷はとにかく他人を下げるために意図的だから嫌われる
男子A選手「スポンサーないんです、遠征費のお金に困ってます」
↓その直後
水谷「卓球界でお金に困ってる人見たことないですよ~みんな小金持ち」
これをメディアで発信
他人の事実無根情報を正しい情報として発信するのが水谷
早田はこんな水谷と一緒にされるのは可哀想
2
ID:sH+i1wlj(4/4)
Hayata's comments are basically her own fault for chatter, so she's not causing trouble to others
Mizutani is disliked because he intentionally tries to put others down
Male A player: "I don't have a sponsor, I'm struggling with money for travel expenses" [TL's note: Tanaka?]
↓Right after that
Mizutani: "I've never seen anyone struggling with money in the table tennis world - everyone is a bit rich"
This is broadcast in the media
Mizutani is the one who broadcasts other people's unfounded information as correct information
It's a shame that Hayata is lumped together with Mizutani like this
0348 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 21:07:10.28
>>341
>早田の発言は基本的にお喋りが招く自己責任なので他人に迷惑はかけてない
NHKでのショーメ連呼はまあそう言う程度として許されるとしても、特攻会館発言は政治的な波紋を呼び、表彰式で見られた「スポーツを通じて得られた国際理解」の姿を台無しにしてしまったし、また中国協会所属選手のTリーグ参加表明を遅らせるなど、劉国梁に対して何らかのアクションをせざるを得ない状況に追い込んだ
詳細は明らかではないが、この件と中国国内で行われる大会への日本選手参加可否については、日本協会が釈明をせざるを得ない状況となっていたであろう
事ほど左様に、他人に迷惑を掛けていないどころか、日中国民レベルでは分断の機会を作ってしまい、また日本協会としては中国協会に大きな借りを作ってしまった
この見方が誤っているならば、是非ご指摘頂きたい
1
ID:UzilaVFQ
Even if her repeated chanting of Chaumet on NHK can be forgiven for being so, her comments of the Special Attack museum caused political ripples, ruining the "international understanding gained through sports" seen at the awards ceremony, and forcing the CTTA and Liu Guoliang to take some kind of action, such as delaying the announcement of the CTTA's players' participation in the T-League
The details are unclear, but the JTTA would have been forced to explain this matter and whether Japanese players could participate in tournaments held in China
As you can see, far from causing any trouble to others, it has created an opportunity for division at the civilian level between Japanese and Chinese citizens, and the JTTA has owed the CTTA a great debt
If this view is incorrect, please point it out
0350 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 21:22:27.01
個人の信教、思想等の自由は状況を越えて存することは常識だ。
早田はとんでもなく傲慢で世間知らずだとは思うが
早田の発言は、こいつおかしいんじゃねえの、程度のものだ
ID:4EoVy1Jl
It is common sense that the freedom of an individual's religion, thoughts, etc. exists regardless of circumstances
I think Hayata is incredibly arrogant and ignorant
Hayata's comments are just like, "Isn't this gal very weird?"
0352 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 21:35:43.03
早田は神風に乗って戦場に舞い戻ってくる
ファイナルでは必勝を祈る
ID:JJ8xqNv2(2/2)
Hayata will ride the kamikaze and return to the battlefield
I pray for her victory at the Finals
0354 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 22:17:18.40
早田は余計な発信はしないようにしている?
今日もXはニッタクのリポストだけ
ID:fiPciWMb
Is Hayata trying not to make unnecessary statements?
Today, she is just reposting Nittaku on her X
0355 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/14(木) 22:19:48.88
早田に何一つ勝てるところがない超劣化早田の石川オタが早田を叩いているなw
石川オタカッコ悪っwwwww
2
ID:/LYLAwCW
Ishikawa otakus who are super inferior Hayata and have nothing to beat her are bashing her lol
Ishikawa otakus are uncool lol
0357 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 00:09:54.89
>>355
美貌と頭の悪い発言をしないところは石川が勝ってる
どっちのファンでもないけど
1
ID:3CRyjuIr
Ishikawa wins in terms of beauty and not making stupid remarks
I'm not a fan of either though
0365 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 09:43:17.29
>>355
あと年収でも石川が勝ってるんじゃね
ID:CcxFPmJp(1/15)
Also, Ishikawa probably wins in terms of annual income
0369 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 10:05:08.79
最近意図的に早田を下げるようなコメントが多いのは不可解だね
5ちゃんだけの話なら問題ないけども
むしろ五輪個人メダル獲ったんだから世卓の切符は自動的に取っても良いぐらいの意見があっても良いのにそれもないし
五輪の価値を下げるならそれなりの方向性になっていかないと
どんどん日本の女子卓球界は歪むと思うし、常に休養もなく酷使も必須だな
1
ID:k2v9Ewvd(1/2)
It's puzzling that there have been so many comments intentionally putting Hayata down recently
If it was just on 5chan, there would be no problem
Rather, there should be opinions that since she won an individual Olympic medal, she should automatically get a ticket to the WTTC, but there aren't any
If you want to lower the value of the Olympics, you have to go in that direction
I think the Japanese women's table tennis world will become more and more distorted, and constant lack of rest and overwork will be the norm
0370 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 10:40:28.34
>>357
いーや石川は早田以上に頭の悪い発言や行動をしてるぜ
北朝鮮戦と当たらないでラッキーだったや早田が伊藤と加藤に負けして大喜びしていたからな(自分では早田に勝てない為、他が早田を倒してくれてラッキーだから)
組み合わせ運や当たり運に恵まれて堂々と喜びを表している非常識な行動を取っている奴なんて石川と水谷ぐらいだよ
スペインのシェイヤンフェイに苦言を言われているのも石川ぐらい
ID:baPkQEWn
No, Ishikawa makes stupider remarks and acts even more stupidly than Hayata
She was lucky not to face North Korea, and was overjoyed when Hayata lost to Ito and Kato (because she couldn't beat Hayata herself, and was lucky that others beat her)
The only people who are acting in an unreasonable way and openly express their joy when they are lucky with a combination or a hit are Ishikawa and Mizutani
Ishikawa is also the only one who is being criticized by Spain's Shen Yanfei
0371 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 10:55:00.75
石川かわいいじゃん
特にバスケのCM最高
ID:CcxFPmJp(3/15)
Ishikawa is cute, isn't she?
Especially the basketball commercial is the best
0372 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 10:57:27.62
まぁけど実際早田のこの軽率な発言で中国から反感を買う結果になったのは事実なわけだからそこは反省して欲しいところだ
中国もそんなことで怒んなよって言う人の気持ちも分からなくは無いが、あの銅メダルを獲得した直後の注目されるコメントでは少しでも際どい発言はするべきではない
ID:QgfCJjeB
Well, it's true that Hayata's reckless remarks caused China's resentment, so I hope she reflects on that
I can understand the feelings of those who say China shouldn't be angry about something like that, but she shouldn't have made any risky remarks that attract attentions right after winning that bronze medal
0373 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:01:23.49
もう引退して1年半だぜ
ここでぐちゃぐちゃ文句言ってるほうが異常
早田なら引退してそれぐらいたてばもう誰も
話題にもしなくなると思うよ
2
ID:CcxFPmJp(4/15)
It's been a year and a half since she [Ishikawa] retired
It's abnormal to complain here
I think that if it's been that long since Hayata retired, no one would even talk about her anymore
0374 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:03:36.43
中国から反感ねぇ・・
反感する人は最初から日本のことなんて好きじゃないんだよ
元々日本選手を応援してくれる中国人ファンの方が良い人が多いしそんな発言気にしてない
2
ID:k2v9Ewvd(2/2)
No resentment from China...
People who resent never liked Japan in the first place
There are many Chinese fans who support Japanese athletes and are better people, so they don't care about such comments
0382 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:20:51.53
馬龍とジェンドンはまだ早田を許してないからな
当然福岡でやる大会も出ない
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ID:d5loidT1
Ma Long and Zhendong still haven't forgiven Hayata
Naturally, they won't be participating in the tournament in Fukuoka
0383 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:23:11.92
>>374
ファンは気にしていないのは分かるけどあの発言で反感持った人のほうが何倍も多いのでは?
ID:zVam0u09(2/5)
I know the fans don't care, but aren't there many more people who were resentful because of that comment?
0388 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 11:31:28.36
>>382
馬龍とジェンドンはノンビリしてるだけで別に早田のことなんか考えてねーよw
ID:bHX2Dftf(2/2)
Ma Long and Zhendong are just taking it easy and aren't really thinking about Hayata lol
0407 名無しQ(・∀・)ノ゜サァン!! 2024/11/15(金) 14:03:47.97
そりゃ単純に強い選手の方が中国人人気高いだろ
特攻館の発言で叩くのは元々ファンじゃないか、離れたファンがいたとして一部
だからってあんないらん発言すんなとは日本人目線で思うけど(特攻館にはアジア侵略を肯定するような展示もある)
ID:Tba9m7BO
Well, the stronger players are more popular with Chinese people
The ones who criticize the comments in the Special Attack museum are the fans to begin with, and even if there are fans who have left, it's only a few
But from a Japanese perspective, I think you shouldn't make such pointless comments (there is also an exhibit in the Special Attack museum that seems to affirm the invasion of Asia)