What do you think of choppers?

Steven · Dec 5, 2011

I'm just curious about this (especially after watching Joo beat Boll at the world cup). I mean choppers like Joo Se Hyuk, Chen Weixing and Yuto Muramatsu.
I think they're awesome, but nobody seems to be trying to become one at young age. I tried it when I was really young, but back then I wasn't really a patient player. Now it's starting to attract me again.

WiWa · Dec 6, 2011

It is hard to be a chopper in lower level competitions I think. The courts are often very small. So that is probably a thing that makes potential young choppers switch to a more attacking, closer to the table style of play.

waldner4ever · Dec 6, 2011

Chopper are really good for the sport i think as they offer a totally different style of play than what most people are used to see. I remember as a kid, i loved watching matches between choppers and attackers, because the contrast of play is so dramatic and appealing to the eye with these long rallies. Maybe with speed glue ban and few more years, we may see more chopper coming out?
One of my coaches(from China) once told me that the reason why the Chinese national team is much better than the rest of the world is that they always had choppers to train against! and that Europeans needed to learn how to play against under spin more.
To me I think that it is extremely beneficial to train against them as they force you to really focus on details ( hand motion no spin, spin, pips, etc...) and allow you to test you endurance in a rally and in a match!
I love training against them but too much of it can can also be detrimental to my game i often find.

azlan · Dec 6, 2011

I wish I can play more often..the really good ones I mean. It's a difficult art to master. You do get some at the lower end of the tier, but I think the lack of coach stunted the growth quite a bit here. It is totally different than offensive play in terms of footwork and even the usage of muscles required.

YosuaYosan · Dec 6, 2011

Chopper... IS ME

Dan · Dec 6, 2011

I love playing against choppers.. creates such amazing rallies, and i think it helps improve my forehand against backspin

I was not a chopper as every player around me was an attacker when i was young. I probably didn't even no what a chopper was hehe

Dan · Dec 6, 2011

waldner4ever said:
Chopper are really good for the sport i think as they offer a totally different style of play than what most people are used to see. I remember as a kid, i loved watching matches between choppers and attackers, because the contrast of play is so dramatic and appealing to the eye with these long rallies. Maybe with speed glue ban and few more years, we may see more chopper coming out?
One of my coaches(from China) once told me that the reason why the Chinese national team is much better than the rest of the world is that they always had choppers to train against! and that Europeans needed to learn how to play against under spin more.
To me I think that it is extremely beneficial to train against them as they force you to really focus on details ( hand motion no spin, spin, pips, etc...) and allow you to test you endurance in a rally and in a match!
I love training against them but too much of it can can also be detrimental to my game i often find.

I totally agree with you here Sir. Choppers are amazing for the sport! Without Chen Weixing and Joo Se Hyuk the sport would not be as exciting!

Steven · Dec 6, 2011

waldner4ever said:
Chopper are really good for the sport i think as they offer a totally different style of play than what most people are used to see. I remember as a kid, i loved watching matches between choppers and attackers, because the contrast of play is so dramatic and appealing to the eye with these long rallies. Maybe with speed glue ban and few more years, we may see more chopper coming out?
One of my coaches(from China) once told me that the reason why the Chinese national team is much better than the rest of the world is that they always had choppers to train against! and that Europeans needed to learn how to play against under spin more.
To me I think that it is extremely beneficial to train against them as they force you to really focus on details ( hand motion no spin, spin, pips, etc...) and allow you to test you endurance in a rally and in a match!
I love training against them but too much of it can can also be detrimental to my game i often find.

Yeah I know what you mean by the Chinese thing. One of my earlier teammates was a chopper and we trained a lot together. Back then I didn't have any problems with underspin in matches. But he quit, and now there isn't any chopper in my training group anymore and I can notice how I'm getting more problems with heavy underspin again. Especially when the opponent's has good counter attacks.

azlan · Dec 6, 2011

YosuaYosan said:
Chopper... IS ME

I'll buy you a ticket and you can fly over to KL

you can stay at my house!

Matt Hetherington · Dec 6, 2011

I think choppers are great. The real problem with choppers is that there aren't enough choppers now to coach new players, they just seem to be dying off. Of course there are a lot of club level choppers, it seems to almost be given the image of the social option now. Players come into the sport and are attracted to the speed. All the new young players just want to come in (especially the boys) and see how hard they can smash the ball. Personally I love chop, my former coach was a chopper from Yantai in China and has a great style, I think chopping really is an art. In saying that I love playing choppers, as soon as a chop is marginally too high I make history out of it

azlan · Dec 7, 2011

In saying that I love playing choppers, as soon as a chop is marginally too high I make history out of it

You mean "Slapistory", right Matt?

MildSeven · Dec 7, 2011

I like long pips choppers but not double inverted or unorthodox choppers.

DustinZ · Dec 7, 2011

Just to comment on the point that there are not a lot of young choppers, there is a 9 or 10 years old chopper that I have seen and played against in tournaments. I beat him then when he was 8 years old and rated about 1500 (USATT) now the kid is pushing 2000 and is a great chopper...and 10 years old.

Mr. RicharD · Dec 7, 2011

While Korea has some really good choppers up and coming it's harder for them to excel in the sport. Excluding maybe Joo and Chen there aren't many high caliber choppers out there that would be able to reach the highest levels of play. The reason being that there just isn't enough spin on the balls at the moment for them to really mess up the elite attackers. With the new poly ball I suspect that Choppers much like Jpen users will be rare and a thing of the past.

Matt Hetherington · Dec 7, 2011

azlan said:
You mean "Slapistory", right Matt?

Lol yep I've cracked a few table tennis balls playing choppers in my time

waldner4ever · Dec 7, 2011

PingPongPom said:
Lol yep I've cracked a few table tennis balls playing choppers in my time

That's just funny!!!

Der_Echte · Dec 8, 2011

A TT crowd watching ma Lin vs Ma Long will see some exciting match play, but the crowd is generally on the quiet side.

A match with Joo Se Hyuk vs any top 10 attacking player brings them to their feet and loud cheering almost every point.

There is a reason for this, no?

Der_Echte · Dec 8, 2011

A TT crowd watching ma Lin vs Ma Long will see some exciting match play, but the crowd is generally on the quiet side.

A match with Joo Se Hyuk vs any top 10 attacking player brings them to their feet and loud cheering almost every point.

There is a reason for this, no?

Mr. RicharD · Dec 8, 2011

The reason is mostly because the crowd mostly doesn't understand how spin works. When they see a floater coming back over the net they're all like wow ooohhhh aahhhhh. But what they don't understand is that it's far easier for a chopper like Joo to return a topspin ball with his LP versus trying to attack the same type of ball by looping it yourself.

WiWa · Dec 8, 2011

Mr. RicharD said:
The reason is mostly because the crowd mostly doesn't understand how spin works. When they see a floater coming back over the net they're all like wow ooohhhh aahhhhh. But what they don't understand is that it's far easier for a chopper like Joo to return a topspin ball with his LP versus trying to attack the same type of ball by looping it yourself.

Indeed. To follow a match you need to have basic understanding of table tennis and spin. That is the reason people don't get table tennis as a sport, and they don't see how hard it is. They just think 'are those pro's?' when someone puts a return into the net because the server faked topspin.

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