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Arch, you've seen plenty of videos of NL to get a general idea of his playstyle. Do you think you could beat him? If so I want to know if you have a particular strategy.

because I sure as hell know that if I never saw his videos I'd have little to no chance to beat him. Fast players are my kryptonite
 
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Arch, you've seen plenty of videos of NL to get a general idea of his playstyle. Do you think you could beat him? If so I want to know if you have a particular strategy.

because I sure as hell know that if I never saw his videos I'd have little to no chance to beat him. Fast players are my kryptonite


MY friend, you are too smart not to get faster with experience. Keep plugging away, get and pay for the TTEdge App asap as it will be a fantastic investment come the month of April, and keep working at it.
 
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I don't know, I am starting to think Archo is just a troll wanting to cause trouble. From that perspective he is pretty entertaining.

Right now I am wondering if Archo's shorts are level appropriate.


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MY friend, you are too smart not to get faster with experience. Keep plugging away, get and pay for the TTEdge App asap as it will be a fantastic investment come the month of April, and keep working at it.

Idk, I play close to the table for my height. Tallish + Close to table = Little time to react.

I can can hit fast shots myself, but I don't counter loop when out of position. Also my stroke "like running" keeps my paddle close to my body. So to get a decent stroke through the ball I need quite a bit of footwork for my close to the table play. I'd tell you how I would plan to beat you nut I'm waiting on his response.

so many coaches contradict some little things from each other, So I don't think I'd go with ttedge. Benefit to seeing the same person every week is once she fixes part of a stroke, no other coach will adjust it differently so I can work on fixing something else.
 
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Okay, I was just calmly reading this thread, but now I have no idea if You (Archosaurus) are serious or just having fun trolling :D (no offense, I really started to wonder about that). The facts are:

1. You are most likely under 1800 USATT
2. You said You are advising around 2000 USATT palyers
3. You claim that your selection and techinque are "beyond your level"

From that, and from Your writing style, it seems that You are soooo overconfident and simply mistaken. first of all, if Your shot selection is on so great level, and Your techinque is also beyond Your level, then what could be holding You back ? You said, that "overextending" holds you back, but it only means that You are making bad calls when it comes to shot selection.

If it is not a good enough argument for You, then I quote:"At the same time, you'd be a fool and not kill a ball if you have more than a 51% chance to hit it successfully and immediately end the point." It is so wrong in so many places. If You get the ball that You can kill with 51% chances it means You got pretty easy ball from Your opponent. Easiest way to win that point would be to make a 90% chance shot that would put him in even greater disadvantage and that would give You even easier ball next time, after few shots like that, usually 3-4 You will get a ball that You can just kill with ~90% chance.
Those arguments shows that You are PROBABLY not so great at selecting appropriate shots.

Now the question is "Why You are so certain that You are so great at selecting shots ?" Well,that is quite easy to answer now. As I could see palyrs under 2000 USATT does't have huge selection of shots. Your "power loops" and slow spinny loops are probably not so different from each other, You most likely can't use banana flick, flick kills, pushes with different spin on return etc. And I was talking only about fh here.

It means that amount of shots that You can make is not really huge and it is quite easy to select what I want to do. You have limited options, whre players on 2400 level are quite different. They can make a lot of different shots, so selecting the perfect one is much harder (cause You have more options). Now it should be obvious how irrational it sounds that You were advising playes onhigher level about their shot selection etc, while you never played above their level before.

I am not quite familiar with USATT system, but I have send Carl my videos some times ago, and I can say that most likely I was around/over 2100 USATT then (and it was after my 3 years break from that sport, and I am only taking part in competition once per week and league games with no real training yet). I am not saying that to brag about it, but I am saying that because I would never try to advice player that is over 200 USATT than me. I can keep them calm in their game and so on, but I can't pretend that I know more about the game than they do, I don't know what shots they can make with what % (unless they are my close friends).

And why I said all those unpleasant things ? To help You (even tho you dind't ask for that, so maybe I shouldn't do that). If You stop thinking that You ahve much better technique than Your current level and that You ahve great shot selection skill and just face he reallity You will improve much faster, but ofc I can see that it is not Your goal since it is just "hitting the ball for fun" for You. Ofc I am not saying that it is wrong mindet, if you ahve fun then it is all that matters, really

As far as my level is concerned: Last friday I palyed match of my life with Young palyer from my country. I have lost 2: 3 with very close 2 sets (that I lost). He jsut turned 13, but he is now playing in ITTF Premium Junior Circuit (and he had 3 matches in group 5 sets each). And I am still unable to tell the level of any player that video I have seen in that thread
 
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I don't know, I am starting to think Archo is just a troll wanting to cause trouble. From that perspective he is pretty entertaining.

Right now I am wondering if Archo's shorts are level appropriate.


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i was wondering if anyone else would notice those shorts.
 
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Shuki, it doesn't matter if NL would win or lose against me, and it's all theory. We would have to play to find out. I am betting on NL due to experience and some good shots. I would most likely make exactly the mistakes that I have been talking about.

Carl, I may be a reptilian but I am not an ogre. Please do not mistake me with one. ;) My shorts are always level appropriate.

Vrael, I am mostly just having fun right now, and I would love to read your post to see what you have to say, but your text formatting causes physical pain to my eyes. :(
 
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Shuki, it doesn't matter if NL would win or lose against me, and it's all theory. We would have to play to find out. I am betting on NL due to experience and some good shots. I would most likely make exactly the mistakes that I have been talking about.

Carl, I may be a reptilian but I am not an ogre. Please do not mistake me with one. ;) My shorts are always level appropriate.

Vrael, I am mostly just having fun right now, and I would love to read your post to see what you have to say, but your text formatting causes physical pain to my eyes. :(


So so you've watched this person play various games, can rewind and re watch them which you've done. And still can't see anything in his game that would give you even a slight problem?
 
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Idk, I play close to the table for my height. Tallish + Close to table = Little time to react.

I can can hit fast shots myself, but I don't counter loop when out of position. Also my stroke "like running" keeps my paddle close to my body. So to get a decent stroke through the ball I need quite a bit of footwork for my close to the table play. I'd tell you how I would plan to beat you nut I'm waiting on his response.

so many coaches contradict some little things from each other, So I don't think I'd go with ttedge. Benefit to seeing the same person every week is once she fixes part of a stroke, no other coach will adjust it differently so I can work on fixing something else.

I didn't say join ttedge, I Said get the TTEdge app (if you have a smart phone, search for "Table Tennis Edge" in your app store and down load it, then pay the $5 to get the full version). If you do this very soon, you will thank me for years to come. I don't need the thanks, but you need the app. Trust me on this one.

I am tall and play close to the table myself. I am/was notorious for crowding the table. You will back up when forced to. As you get better, the way you lose points begin to fit into a box and the solutions become fewer given how you want to play. So you evolve or die. That is why I started working on more serves, fixed my forehand etc.

There are many ways to beat me. The problem is that they assume that I don't adapt. But that is actually my biggest strength.
 
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Shuki, it doesn't matter if NL would win or lose against me, and it's all theory. We would have to play to find out. I am betting on NL due to experience and some good shots. I would most likely make exactly the mistakes that I have been talking about.

Carl, I may be a reptilian but I am not an ogre. Please do not mistake me with one. ;) My shorts are always level appropriate.

Vrael, I am mostly just having fun right now, and I would love to read your post to see what you have to say, but your text formatting causes physical pain to my eyes. :(
 
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Vrael, I read your post. Your formatting is still causing pain to my eyes, but I appreciate the effort.

I wholeheartedly agree on the selection of shots available to a player. I can perform at least half of the shots you are talking about, but not all to a level I am comfortable with.

That is true. So I agree that I have an easier time selecting shots. I also agree that my loopkill and brushloop are not worlds apart like the pros' for example, which complicates things terribly. Although, I never claimed I am 2400+ and can comment on their play in detail.

I should have worded my thoughts better to account for this, because yes, what I say is not 100% absolute truth at all levels. Perhaps, there is something I don't understand about NextLevel's videos and that is causing the inconsistency.

My game is terribly lacking IMO, and I am working on it, so don't worry. I don't train like I post on forums. ;)

Shuki, why do you insist on a detailed analysis without considering how long it would be and how much of a PITA it would be to write, when I have not even given proof of my ideas being any good in the first place?
 
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In my opinion if you are below a rating level of 2200 USATT or even more, the player that makes less errors wins matches at the very most and not the one performing more winners.

I think that is similar to what Archosauros wrote just in other words.

The level for that is USATT 1600. Above USATT 1800, if you don't have shots, you will be picking up the ball most of the time. IT's what you do to people that makes them feel the pressure of attacking and missing.
 
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In my opinion if you are below a rating level of 2200 USATT or even more, the player that makes less errors wins matches at the very most and not the one performing more winners.

I think that is similar to what Archosauros wrote just in other words.

i think there's a misconception about how good 2200 is here.
 
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Shuki, why do you insist on a detailed analysis without considering how long it would be and how much of a PITA it would be to write, when I have not even given proof of my ideas being any good in the first place?


Because se youve guided players to pass the 2000 mark, yet you rate yourself around 1600. Clearly your analyzing skills are supreme and this should be an easy one for you.
 
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Well, If you can perform over half of the shots that I mentioned then You have more shots avaiable than I have, cause right now in matches that have some meaning I am using only different pushes and blocks on bh and that is all. It means that Your shot selection/game understanding is holding You back and not the technique, so it is even weirder that You are actually advising higher rated players ^^. Appreciate your effort to read my longass post, now I will hide again and continue reading :)
 
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Well, If you can perform over half of the shots that I mentioned then You have more shots avaiable than I have, cause right now in matches that have some meaning I am using only different pushes and blocks on bh and that is all. It means that Your shot selection/game understanding is holding You back and not the technique, so it is even weirder that You are actually advising higher rated players ^^. Appreciate your effort to read my longass post, now I will hide again and continue reading :)


long posts are good, especially the one you made! Definitely keep them coming when ever you feel the need. Just separating your paragraph out into smaller ones would make it easier to read for some.
 
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Vrael, my situation is similar, except I have a loop on my backhand. I believe flicking is too risky for my level, because I can't land a flick with 95% consistency unless I've read the ball. If I have read it, I can perform good shots consistently. So I "actually" do not have that many, but I can perform them if I must and feel that it is right.


What I want to know is what exactly you mean with shot selection holding me back vs technique...?


 
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One thing I can say about playing NextLevel. Well, more than one. Haha. The first time we played I knew I wanted to avoid one of his wings. But I did not understand how much power and heaviness was in his shots from just seeing them. It sort of feels like having a golf ball hit your racket. I also noticed that when I got off a good shot that had decent power, it usually came back harder. And after a shot or two there did seem to be any avoiding either wing. Another thing I noticed is that, on video his mobility doesn't look great. But somehow he gets to way more balls than I thought he would. So, expect the unexpected. [emoji2]

However, I doubt our levels will be very different and I am prepared for the idea that you are a bit better than me as, right now I have some stuff going on that has been keeping me from playing. I am playing very little and can feel my level is dropping fast.


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I am playing very little and can feel my level is dropping fast.


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Inevitable but it isn't always as straightforward as you think. Alex Polyakov played his best tournament ever after having hardly had sufficient time to train for it. People underestimate the impact of improved cognitive reads when you have good technique. So they don't realize how hard it is for the brain to catch up to utilizing optimally what it already has. Just watch some high level TT a few minutes every day. Or pay for TTEdge App and use it to take your mind off the rougher days. You will be surprised how well you are seeing things when you get back to the table.
 
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