Daily Table Tennis Chit Chat

[Shuki]

I'd like to see that.

The backhands he did in the warmup reminded me of NL's backhand. So I figured he was around 2000's.

just sent the guy duc played recently a message on facebook asking if I could upload the video. I posted the video of me not for critique but for reference of playing level. I don't want people thinking I'm good from my posts, but I also would rather them not think I'm a complete beginner ^.^

 

[Shuki]

Shuki,

At 5:48-5:54, I didn't see if your headband was on upside down

A new pet peeve... when your partner makes a good loop and they knock on the table 2x ;-)

Some great loops, some points though seem like you could continue to loop, but you FH blocked passively. You and Duc seem to have a lot of fun playing!

Thank you for the videos!!

the knocking on the table I do when I score or my opponent scores, it's me "knocking on wood haha" if I score and I feel I didn't do my stroke right i do the knock to signify I got lucky.

you're right about continuing to loop, but I was already getting fatigued. that and he mixes up dead chops and heavy chops too much, I often couldn't get a read on them so I'd do that passive block to move him back in and out again with the next loop.

 

[Shuki]

6:29 you can see it's upsidedown

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

6:29 you can see it's upsidedown

epicness!

 

[NextLevel]

No worries on posting links. Thank you, will search.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.co.uk/...ucing-Spin-on-Your-Serves&p=163153#post163153

 

[Der_Echte]

Another way to take off spin is to lessen grip pressure right at contact. On my dead serves, I do not worry about hitting it near handle. My bat is slower at impact, I lessen my pressure, and I accelerate bat right after contact.

Hard to tell what I did if the stroke is smooth.

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[NextLevel]

Another way to take off spin is to lessen grip pressure right at contact. On my dead serves, I do not worry about hitting it near handle. My bat is slower at impact, I lessen my pressure, and I accelerate bat right after contact.

Hard to tell what I did if the stroke is smooth.

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I think when you mess around, this automatically happens. The problem though with playing around with grip is that the ball is light spin, not really really dead.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

Thank you NL and Der!

I have my work cut out for me!

 

[Der_Echte]

NL, if you make it to Korea Flushing club or wherever I meet up with Goon Squad in NYC then I can show you again my approach to dead.

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[Archosaurus]

I'm no expert, but if I try to get spin, I focus on accelerating the racket rapidly and contacting on the "forward" part, or to your left for a right hander serving with the forehand.

If I try to produce light spin, I focus on keeping a more constant, perhaps slower speed, and I try to contact on the "back" part, or to your right for a right hander serving with the forehand.

I don't think I can really produce a truly dead ball: although we need to remember that to make a completely dead ball, you need some backspin for it to reverse once it hits the table. So you're not "really" serving dead balls, to my understanding.

 

[OldschoolPenholder]

When I'm "on"/warmed up, I can get a good fast nospin serve to partner's BH or down the line to partner's FH from my FH pendulum motion ... although at the last 2 seconds my blade doesn't impact the ball like i would on FH pendulum spin serves so it's not truly deceptive but starts off with the same motion.

 

[Archosaurus]

When I'm "on"/warmed up, I can get a good fast nospin serve to partner's BH or down the line to partner's FH from my FH pendulum motion ... although at the last 2 seconds my blade doesn't impact the ball like i would on FH pendulum spin serves so it's not truly deceptive but starts off with the same motion.

I think the real hard part is serving short no-spin and making it look heavy until it's too late and you're already ready to unload on the pop-up.

 

[NextLevel]

I think the real hard part is serving short no-spin and making it look heavy until it's too late and you're already ready to unload on the pop-up.

No spin never looks heavy - its the serve motion that looks heavy. You are really relying on the opponent to not look closely at the ball or to just not know/accept that you are capable of the amount of deception with your serve motion. But if they serve you no spin and you don't have to return the ball, you always see it.

 

[Der_Echte]

NL is correct. My no spin... the impact giving the dead and the accelerated follow through happen so fast and close to each other... if you are watching the bat, you will be fooled.

Archos correctly states you need a tiny under spin to make it really dead. It is a moot point as the difference between dead and very light is almost zero.

One GOOD point about landing the server with very light under spin is that with some seamed plastic balls you get a real breaking stop of the bounce.

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[Der_Echte]

Another good point about a light spin is that it is still spinning, so there is no immediate obvious sign of no spin by just watching the logo.

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[Shuki]

act like you're creating topspin + add chop motion to the ball = no spin without changing acceleration

 

[Archosaurus]

NL, it's all in their head, isn't it?

Tell me, have you ever looked back at video footage of yourself popping up a serve that you were sure was heavy, but it's clearly not heavy on the video? That's what I mean with "looking heavy".

It's all in their head...

act like you're creating topspin + add chop motion to the ball = no spin without changing acceleration

Won't this just end up in them reading the ball CORRECTLY if they don't read it closely?

 

[NextLevel]

. It is a moot point as the difference between dead and very light is almost zero.

I think it depends. For some people, and I count myself as one of them, my light spin serves are still heavy. Therefore, I really have to serve no spin for the opponent to pop up the ball. The difference is not insignificant as if the opponent digs into the light spin ball, they can produce quality returns with heavy backspin. Digging into a no spin ball will not work at all.

 

[Archosaurus]

I think it depends. For some people, and I count myself as one of them, my light spin serves are still heavy. Therefore, I really have to serve no spin for the opponent to pop up the ball. The difference is not insignificant as if the opponent digs into the light spin ball, they can produce quality returns with heavy backspin. Digging into a no spin ball will not work at all.

When you say light spin, do you mean serves that come back towards the net, or stop, but they don't really launch themselves back like heavy backspin does?

When you say no-spin, do you mean the serves that just kinda roll softly?

 

[NextLevel]

NL, it's all in their head, isn't it?

Tell me, have you ever looked back at video footage of yourself popping up a serve that you were sure was heavy, but it's clearly not heavy on the video? That's what I mean with "looking heavy".

It's all in their head...



Won't this just end up in them reading the ball CORRECTLY if they don't read it closely?

Never happened to me before. What has happened is that I either misread it as heavy backspin because of the serve motion, or I see the no spin but I don't use the right return. But I have never looked at a no-spin ball closely and thought it was a heavy backspin ball. Never.