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The good thing is that you are moving well. The bad thing is that you are still hitting the ball way too fast and not putting enough into rotation, especially on the opening topspin. I think it is partly because your whip is not enough, but I think the real problem is that you do not realize that you can use the body to increase your rotation - you keep using it only to increase the pace. That is probably why people tell you that you are swinging from the shoulder - you are not using your body to generate spin.
 
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The good thing is that you are moving well. The bad thing is that you are still hitting the ball way too fast and not putting enough into rotation, especially on the opening topspin. I think it is partly because your whip is not enough, but I think the real problem is that you do not realize that you can use the body to increase your rotation - you keep using it only to increase the pace. That is probably why people tell you that you are swinging from the shoulder - you are not using your body to generate spin.

Thanks for watching! I think i know what you mean. The video of WL you posted helped me to realize whats possible. I think in training sessions with my partner im using a lot more spin and body rotation alrdy... however as seen in matchplay its just not there. Looks very static.
 
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Thanks for watching! I think i know what you mean. The video of WL you posted helped me to realize whats possible. I think in training sessions with my partner im using a lot more spin and body rotation alrdy... however as seen in matchplay its just not there. Looks very static.

Remember, swing fast but have a slow ball. It will get better with time.

Also, spend more time on hitting a quality ball and less on movement. Sometimes, try to go all out and hit a massively spinny ball or a massively fast ball. It is almost as if you are unwilling to do a Rambo loop or a Chinese all out forehand loop kill. I have broken knees and I do it so you have no excuse ;). Rambo loop and let them block once in a while. With your power and athleticism, if you use your whole body to loop the ball on third ball, you will usually win the point outright. You can't be getting all these long pushes against so-so players and just be giving them pushes back. Loop that ball for a winner. You are fast enough to recover against weak blocks and over time, you will find the balance between going out of position and getting ready for the next ball.
 
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Last night's AAR

Last night was Halloween, my kids are 13 and 15, my 18 yr old went away for college. The 2 youngest went Trick or Treating after school. Even if i didn't go to TT, by the time i got off work and got home, it would've been dark. Plus they are older and the Halloween experience is not as fresh/exciting as when they were younger.

Not many members showed up, not sure if it was because it was Halloween or colder or not. For the night (and actually for the next few months), my intent was to only serve short pendulum motion sidedown or backspin. Also to go for 3rd ball slow topspin loop. I need to "pwn" this.

1) Warmed up with "K". I started blocking his FH loops. He then went to practice some new serves. I then served. I wanted to try out looping as last week, i was very inconsistent and my mental baggage knocked me out most of the week. With 4 days off, wanted to see if i could loop. If we played a match, K would probably win. I have lost all my matches vs him, one of which I posted a video 2 months ago.

A member showed up and wanted to play next. This gentleman played K last week. Not sure if it was their first time ever last week, but this gentleman always has fun and laughs as he plays. He took it easy on K, not playing his true level which I thought was 2000 and I asked NL and he confirmed it.

Asked K if i could video the match and he said ok. Lost 3 straight. Don't remember the scores. It was close but not close. I stuck to my gameplan and had varying success. During the 2nd game, I received a phonecall. I forgot to that phonecalls stops video recordings, so I only have 1.5 games vs K on video.

2) K played the 2000 player next, they both had a lot of fun. 'Fun' didn't play his true level but still was able to challenge K who likes to play defensive. 'Fun' played steady, side to side, in and out, some attacks ... they both had great rallies! Fun to watch! K lost in 5 with 1 or 2 games at deuce.

3) My turn, doubt if Fun ever watched me play, we have never played before, but he knew i lost to K this night. He didn't play his true level with me. As I watched Fun play K, i was of 2 minds: stick to my gameplan for the night (and next few months) or I was honored and forutunate at the opportunity to play Fun so I should play my regular game and perhaps give Fun a challenge ... either way, odds are i would lose.

In the back of my mind, my Ego was telling me Fun would remember his first impression of me based on the first match we ever played, and I'm not going to lie, I was very close to scrapping my gameplan for the night vs Fun.

I asked if I could video the match and he acquiesced. I stuck to my gameplan and only served what i thought was backspin and what i thought was sidedown with a short pendulum motion. Prior to leaving work, i refreshed my memory of what i wanted to do with my serves for the night by watching 1 of NextLevel's serves vid and also 1 of Brett Clarke's serves vid. After watching the video of my match, i see my muscle memory kicked in subconciously ... despite me thinking I wasn't serving my 'old' way. However, I think i was ok in the sense that I didn't use my long pendulum motion. And gameplan was for 3rd ball slow topspin loop, but i see that i went for some loop drives as well as loop kills.


At one point, Fun says to K that I would win 3 straight LOL. Without further ado, here's the vid... as always comments are welcome. I know I have a long way towards improvement.


4) Fun played K again and K lost. I played Fun a 2nd time. Again, my Ego said, ok, you stuck to the night's plan for the first match, now play your regular game and give Fun a better challenge.

So of course what did i do, i fought hard vs my Ego and glad in a way i 'won' and i stuck to the plan. Lost 3 straight. Have video but didn't have a chance to edit. This match though, i lost 3 straight, and i missed many easy shots especially my punch and short BH stroke. Strange as it was against moderate speed nospin/topspin serves.

May edit the video of this 2nd match just for highlights instead of the full match.

5) As I was almost wiped out from playing 3 matches already, didn't intend to hit/play more. Was going to sit, rest and cool down while watching others play.

"V" called me over to a table. I've hit with him before. I blocked for him. He has inconsistent FH and FH loops. At one point, he was kind enough to ask me if i wanted to work on anything. But i replied, i just wanted him to get better/consistent with his FH/FH loop and he thanked me for it. Hit for ~30 mins.

6) It was time to leave. But "J3" asked to hit with me and play a match. I told him i had to go home and he knew I already played quite a bit. I said ok, let's play. Was able to video the match but didn't have time to edit. I lost 3 straight. Played J3 once before, like K and T, he is defensive plays steady and away from the table. My younger me would have a better chance vs J3 and K and T, but the reality is, I'm me now, at 51 yrs of age, after 30+ yrs of not playing, came back to the game ... been playing almost 1.5 yrs now... still inconsistent with touch and timing. Not taking away from J3's play, but will try to play him in the future when I'm more fresh.

Got some good loop kills in and some smashes... but inconsistent on both.

Thank you TTD CCers as always for affording me the opportunity to share my joys and frustrations in my 'unretirement'.
 
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Mentality is rough in this game. Played someone I thought was bad and won 3-0. then they tell me they're 1900. now I struggle to play them knowing they're better.

shit who am I kidding? I struggle now because he's obviously good enough to make adjustments.
 
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Mentality is rough in this game. Played someone I thought was bad and won 3-0. then they tell me they're 1900. now I struggle to play them knowing they're better.

shit who am I kidding? I struggle now because he's obviously good enough to make adjustments.

Yes, but it could also be what you said before. Unless you look at the details, it is hard to know. That's why you need to know who talks to who about what in your club so that you can figure out what people are saying about how to play you and what you may need to work on.
 
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Yes, but it could also be what you said before. Unless you look at the details, it is hard to know. That's why you need to know who talks to who about what in your club so that you can figure out what people are saying about how to play you and what you may need to work on.

Love this.

The better we get the more we can see our own problems. we know what we do wrong and how to treat something differently. I think it's right around the level I'm at where a player can't do the same serve over and over. after I fail at it once I know how to deal with it differently. We see our faults more and more easily. We once thought we were good. the better we get the more problems we realize we have.




Best part of getting better in this game, is seeing where your opponents are weak even before they do a stroke.
I definitely diverted from your post with my rambling, don't take it as me misunderstanding it, I just went on a different tangent after saying I liked what you said. This game is truley great.
 
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We have a new player from japan at our club. He loves the game, loves to play with 500 rated players and everyone in general. We're estimating him to be around 2350-2400. He hasn't lost a game let alone match here yet. Saturday he did the most unique serve I have ever seen.

Our two best players Parviz, and Felix were talking about how his serves are great and were watching this happen.

Tetsu(the japanese player), set up like a normal pendulum serve. Red for forehand. He tossed up the ball and as he started to do his pendulum, he twiddled all the way to the red side again. But that's not where the cool stuff stopped. he then followed through by chicken winging and hitting with his backhand instead of doing the twiddled pendulum. The result, a bullet right past me. I looked dumbfounded. Parviz and felix both said, almost in unison, "what the hell was that".

Come play this player at his first USATT tournament in kansas. our website kansascitytabletennis.com
 
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We have a new player from japan at our club. He loves the game, loves to play with 500 rated players and everyone in general. We're estimating him to be around 2350-2400. He hasn't lost a game let alone match here yet. Saturday he did the most unique serve I have ever seen.

Our two best players Parviz, and Felix were talking about how his serves are great and were watching this happen.

Tetsu(the japanese player), set up like a normal pendulum serve. Red for forehand. He tossed up the ball and as he started to do his pendulum, he twiddled all the way to the red side again. But that's not where the cool stuff stopped. he then followed through by chicken winging and hitting with his backhand instead of doing the twiddled pendulum. The result, a bullet right past me. I looked dumbfounded. Parviz and felix both said, almost in unison, "what the hell was that".

Come play this player at his first USATT tournament in kansas. our website kansascitytabletennis.com


Something like this?
 
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We have a new player from japan at our club. He loves the game, loves to play with 500 rated players and everyone in general. We're estimating him to be around 2350-2400. He hasn't lost a game let alone match here yet. Saturday he did the most unique serve I have ever seen.

Our two best players Parviz, and Felix were talking about how his serves are great and were watching this happen.

Tetsu(the japanese player), set up like a normal pendulum serve. Red for forehand. He tossed up the ball and as he started to do his pendulum, he twiddled all the way to the red side again. But that's not where the cool stuff stopped. he then followed through by chicken winging and hitting with his backhand instead of doing the twiddled pendulum. The result, a bullet right past me. I looked dumbfounded. Parviz and felix both said, almost in unison, "what the hell was that".

Come play this player at his first USATT tournament in kansas. our website kansascitytabletennis.com

Shuki, you play in kansas city? Then it's possible that you know one of my clubmates
 
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So my temp decided he wanted to switch coaches. His wife had given me the first hint of this on Saturday and he beat 2 1700 players and one 1800 player on Sunday. I think that because most of my approach to TT coaching is Zen-based to the degree that I picked it up from Brett, intellectual adults tend to enjoy the way they can apply it to other parts of their lives. So I am replacing a 2500 level coach - big deal. But it makes my head swell. I have learned (from Brett) that it is a powerful thing when someone else cares about your game. That's why I tell adults to work with coaches who have a reputation for making adult learners play better, and not just with the best coach by rating or top player creating credentials. I won't pretend to know more about TT than a 2500 player, but I will say that I have worked with two coaches who have a good record improving the play of adult players and that has made me more in tune with the difficulties faced by people who want to improve at a later age.

Yesterday, I was supposed to coach but I decided to skip yesterday for work-related reasons and because I wanted to rest after the tournament. My student wanted to come in though (wanted to work on building on his game - good results do that to you). So today, he texts me and says he wants to meet today. But I usually play the league today, but to be honest, I Wasn't 100% sure that I wanted to drive down there, and I would rather coach than play on a day like this so I decided to meet and coach.

We worked on forehand and backhand looping and I worked on his counterloop by feeding him chop and topspin in spurts, sometimes with some no-spin for fun and good measure. I was doing my best Brett imitation on the feeds. MY student believes his backhand is inconsistent and he wants the backhand of a friend of mine whose backhand technique is worse than my student, IMO. So I tried to make my student's backhand more consistent by getting him to test different contact points and swing trajectories on the ball. I showed him my preferred contact point for loop kills. It seemed to work for him as well, though my main point was that one has to continue to experiment and see how one can get maximum benefit (speed, spin, accuracy or some combination all three) for minimum risk.

After coaching, I played a match with a short pips player that I played on Sunday. Then I hit with an older lady at the club with an LP backhand. Then I called it a day. Coaching or league matches? Hopefully, I won't have to choose next week.
 
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