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So I went into the club today to support my students who were playing. An underestimated reason why students have good strokes but play poorly is that they don't have their coaches around to teach them match strategy in real time.

Some players may also need the coach or a friend there as their confidence may not be 100%. Their morale picks up with more friendly faces. Of course, the extra eyes on the games will help with strategy too.

Unfortunately, I was sometimes too loud when I sighed in obvious displeasure and she heard me while playing. Will have to work on that.

We all are not perfect, however, you had displeasure because you probably felt she should've been able to handle the ball. Hopefully she can see it that way and then have the confidence to return those balls with ease.

I then served with a brand of spinny short pips to see how it compared to inverted. I thought I wasn't getting as much spin as I would with inverted but that said, the video doesn't lie - the ball was pretty spinny.

WOW at the Spinlord Degu!! You mentioned in a post sometime ago that you liked the Spinlord Waran. Do you think the Degu is spinnier than the Waran? If my hand can ever handle the weight of shortpips, i will revisit the waran and perhaps the degu.

Congratulations to your temp student and to you as well Sir!

But in any case, we play for fun, do our best, and let the Gods determine the result. But doing my best is not optional.

Word!

How did you and your temp student fare yesterday ?
 
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Good stuff. Would relax more and try to make the ball go slower and with more spin. I know in your club you have all these chinese rubber counterlooping kids that will kill that ball once they break 2000, but in the real world, people block slow and heavy topspin off the table.

Yeah, i will be more determined next Saturday to go half speed and relax. I go too fast then i tend to lock up the wrist and have no natural hand rotation. I learned that with no natural hand rotation, there is no spin and arc. Maybe i should be on drugs to slow myself down besides the anti inflamms that i am on...:D I always want to work on the long slow spinny loops to the corners, just always seem to forget. A lot of the kids in my club migrated to new coaches or hit the wall and don't feel like playing anymore. The new kids in my club are at level 1000 and are bunch of snot nosed arrogant little kids(They drive me crazy sometimes and will be 2000 in 2 to 3 years.)

Maybe in another year, you can spot me 5 points. I won't ask for 9 points like OSP...:p
 
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OhMyGuoyuehua at ~2:11 and ~5:42 ... killer smashes

OK, you gotta spot me 1 game and the rest of the games 9 pts!!!!

Looking good!!

Always asking for Charity...Only if you dressed up in a Santa outfit then i would have no issues spotting you the points...:p
 
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The new kids in my club are at level 1000 and are bunch of snot nosed arrogant little kids(They drive me crazy sometimes and will be 2000 in 2 to 3 years.)

That probably cho like mad at the every damn point they win.
 
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How did you and your temp student fare yesterday ?

Thought everyone had forgotten...

So I wake up on Sunday morning in the mood to do nothing. But I am feeling relatively okay if my knees hold up. I turn on my laptop and look at the club camera and see my temp student playing a short pips guy who he lost to on Monday I think. I called into the club to try to give him some tips. Not sure if he took them or they helped (adult students are a bit less receptive to coaching than kids are, as I know from my personal experience) but he did win that match (he won the first game before I called anyway). He ended up coming third in the U1800 and lost two matches, one to a long pips backhand lefty with tricky serves and one to a long distance retriever/sideswipe hitter. He beat the short pips hitter he had lost to the previous Monday as well as a long pips blocker he had lost to in April. The players he lost too were more advanced and sophisticated in some ways (these are players who can bring back my loops - more on this later).

So I got to the club and didn't really warm up. There was no one around and I was trying to jog myself. I was top seed in the U2050. I had one guy with LP in my group and the double sided SP guy. I had played them both before and was about 200pts above both of them. I beat them both fairly easily and advanced out of my group.

In the quarter finals, I had to play the lefty son of a 2200+ player, a 2200+ player who has been as high as 2500 but doesn't have good practice partners in his area anymore as the best kids have gone to college. The father has these incredible tomahawk and windshield wiper serve variations that can really screw you up and his son has them as a lefty - just sick stuff. The son is 32 by the way - no spring chicken. I had serious problems returning the father's serves when I played him so I was just hoping to do okay against the son if he could not loop and attack as well as his father - after all, he was only 1700-1800.

The match starts and I am doing okay, but when I loop and the son chop blocks, the ball is heavy and my push is too timid to get it done. I am up 9-7 in game one and I lose either 9-11 or 10-12. Then I lose the second game fairly easily with the son blocking my loops. I am struggling with his backspin no-spin serve combos to my short forehand and some of his lefty serves wide. He totally avoids my backhand which makes me believe he was warned by his father. After the first game, someone knocked my camera off center so it doesn't record the rest of the match clearly.

A guy in the club told me that I needed to play him the way he was playing me so I started to serve short to his forehand too and his returns were weaker than mine and I managed to get some points that way. He started to miss some of his blocks later in the match as well. So I got it to 2-2 and I think 9-7 in the 5th. I think he came back to 9-9. I managed to win the next two points, the last off a no-spin serve that he chop blocked into a backhand topspin that I hit to his wide forehand.

Of course, people told me I worked too hard for the win as he often missed when I looped or pushed or served with less spin into his pips. But in the end, a win is a win. Sometimes, you have to learn your opponent to figure out how to beat them efficiently.

My temp beat a very experienced 1700+ player to come second in his group and advance - he lost in the quarters to a long pips blocker who lost in the semis.

Then I started playing matches in the Open event and my knees started hurting. I lost to a penholder and to the 2200 kid, either unable to move in to play my short backhands or trying to end the points early. So I decided to drop out of the 2300 (in which I would have been the second seed) and focus on the 2050. I played my clubmate in the 2050 semis and managed to win that 3-1, not before he gave me a fright by attacking like a black mamba to win the 3rd set. I am sure that if I had never played him before, I would have lost that match. The thing is that when you play someone often, you often figure out where to put the ball that they don't like it, until they find a way to cover that weakness, then you have to find something else. He is still yet to cover the weaknesses. I can also sometimes attack his serves for outright winners, while he usually has to attack mine to get into rallies.

The final, I tried to get my opponent to split with me, because I honestly wasn't sure I could win and he had a lot of matches left. I agreed to share prize money with him, though after he finished his other matches, he claimed he never agreed not to play. He ultimately got to the Open finals and the U2300 finals, losing both - he was the second seed in the 2050 and the 2300 and had a lucky draw in the Open. The #1 seed in the Open, a notorious lefty penholder on the East Coast, lost to the 1700 long pips blocker I struggled with. Yes, if you want to believe it, he could not return the serves and loop against pips. I want to believe he was sandbagging to get his rating under 2500 so he could play some events. Because of this, he left the top half of the draw with only the #4 seed ( who lost to an unrated guy) and beat #2 and #3 seed in the other half of the draw to reach the Finals. Of course, he beat the 1950 guy in the Finals easily.

So I have mixed feelings on the day. I probably should have skipped the Open and played the 2350. I didn't beat a player higher ranked than I was and I didn't lose to a player lower ranked than I was. I played solid but nothing spectacular. I have to figure out how to get healthier as a priority before Thanksgiving. And I still want to play a lot between now and then. I have to work on my forehand counterloop off the bounce.
 
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My best shot of the day, I think was this 5th ball here. This is classical NL - terrible forehand form, no body rotation, shoulder power loop to win the point:

youtu.be/6KWaT-ydPiI?t=830

I usually don't like to post rallies that I lose, but this one shows you the problem with playing a defensive wall:

youtu.be/6KWaT-ydPiI?t=678
 
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My best shot of the day, I think was this 5th ball here. This is classical NL - terrible forehand form, no body rotation, shoulder power loop to win the point:

youtu.be/6KWaT-ydPiI?t=830

Wicked!

I usually don't like to post rallies that I lose, but this one shows you the problem with playing a defensive wall:

youtu.be/6KWaT-ydPiI?t=678

wow at ~11:25 - he's fast!
 
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Thought everyone had forgotten...

Weekends for me are family days, usually busy, i don't have time to check here and stay a long time to post long replies.

Congratulations to you and your temp student! Thank you for posting!

I am sure that if I had never played him before, I would have lost that match. The thing is that when you play someone often, you often figure out where to put the ball that they don't like it, until they find a way to cover that weakness, then you have to find something else. He is still yet to cover the weaknesses. I can also sometimes attack his serves for outright winners, while he usually has to attack mine to get into rallies.

Said it once, will say it again, "Iron sharpens iron." You keep "Teaching" his Weakness and eventually he will Learn and shore up his Weakness which will force you to Up your Game.

Great AAR ... Thank you Sir!
 
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NextLevel the Bone Crusher said:
I played Nam twice when I was 1800 or so - won a game I think both times, but the first time, I had an out of body experience and was killing him until I woke up....

Sometimes Nam will let opponent do stuff so he can learn their ways, sometimes he lets a game go by like that. Sometimes you just earn it. He does have a few weakness vs some change in serves if you can sell it right, he will either net it or give you the opening chance, but you had better damned know jolly well what to do or it is point over.
 
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Off to the club in 5 minutes... past few weeks, I have strayed from the Path ... depending on partner, I'm going to only serve backspin and/or sidedown with short pendulum motion and 3rd ball slow topspin loop... the kind of loops that I love to smash but it's encouraging for players like Der_Echte and NextLevel say that most players will passively block them. There are a few clubmates I know are like me that will smash them back.

I know my topspin game of 3rd ball smash or punch is somewhat ok, time to Challenge myself and no Ego, just train backspin serve with short motion and 3rd ball slow topspin loop.

*fingers crossed*
 
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Off to the club in 5 minutes... past few weeks, I have strayed from the Path ... depending on partner, I'm going to only serve backspin and/or sidedown with short pendulum motion and 3rd ball slow topspin loop... the kind of loops that I love to smash but it's encouraging for players like Der_Echte and NextLevel say that most players will passively block them. There are a few clubmates I know are like me that will smash them back.

I know my topspin game of 3rd ball smash or punch is somewhat ok, time to Challenge myself and no Ego, just train backspin serve with short motion and 3rd ball slow topspin loop.

*fingers crossed*

OSP, I remember you tried to smash my loops. What was your success rate?
 
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Actually, my loops are easy to smash if I wasn't on position with leverage. If you are not right on the ball, it will be difficult to block, so why not try a smash... if it lands, one can always pound the table, hold the handle of the bat like a microphone, then commence to singing the line "Return to Sender"
 
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Why do you think I post my highlights and not the 99 other shots in the match I missed given the same exact shot from my opponent?

Actually it just feel so good and great to make it to NYC to play, talk smack, eat and talk sum moar smack.

I got to improve and get in the New York State of Mind for my first real big tourney, we are gunna FIGHT !! Don't know about win it all, but we gunna fight.
 
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OSP, I remember you tried to smash my loops. What was your success rate?

Here is me on the other end of it - it is not as uncommon as you think, though it is not easy to deliberately loop a ball that high and spinny.

youtu.be/f5X0ZJaIrQM?t=382
 
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Oh that's a classic! Not anymore! You can watch the video starting at 17:50... everything before is very bad :p

All the good stuff happened before the 10th minute. The rest was mostly bad. You need to play more like JeffM - learn to put excess energy into the rotation of the ball and use your whip in your wrist better. You are over compensating with racket angle and this will lift too many balls off the table - you need to use the friction of your stroke first, racket angle second. You are too young to be patting balls that you can violently spin to any point on the table with quality.
 
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