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So i decided to record one of my recent training session. Did play pretty bad that day.

I recorded some random drills and Trainings matches with the second best player from our club. It may look like he is fooling around most of the time, but that is just how he plays.
He pretty much destroyed me, i only managed to win 2 out of like 7 games.



 
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He didn't beat any high ranked players and no top players are skipping the WTTC so it is unlikely.

May ranking is out now.

Timo s got the 8th place =)

It only means he can't play Dima until semis if they both get there. That is valuable but doesn't solve anything else.

yeah but it means also that at least one of them avoids lin gaoyuan :D

If they can't beat Lin Gaoyuan, they should really be wondering what they are doing at the WTTC.

Man, you're really into argueing. you know how you sound, do ya?

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I don´t think it is too difficult to understand that everyone would like to avoid chinese players up to quarters or even semis. And everyone claiming differently is either a liar or very very delusional or simply doesn´t like to win IMHO.
Period!
 
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Man, you're really into argueing. you know how you sound, do ya?

I don´t think it is too difficult to understand that everyone would like to avoid chinese players up to quarters or even semis. And everyone claiming differently is either a liar or very very delusional or simply doesn´t like to win IMHO.
Period!

It's what I do, sometimes it is arguing, sometimes it is just suggesting disagreement with a position. If you were following the thread, you will notice that he didn't respond to this post here where I had already conceded the main point and agreed with him.

That makes sense - I guess the bonus points should be enough too, I didn't realize his rating points were so close by themselves.

So maybe he just wanted to argue too.

As for avoiding the Chinese, no one can avoid Lin Gaoyuan, it is just luck. At this point, you have to believe you can beat him and forget about avoiding him, and he is clearly beatable, he is not on the same level as the others.
 
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FRAT (Frag Reading All That) aka SHORT VERSION

Hit/Played well enough with my Nexy Amazon CPen/MX-P setup after previously having a tremendous challenge with it after coming back from a few months break.

2 partners last night

#1 - SH with good, fast, spinny FH loop... BH LP ... can BH smash with it ... doesn't twiddle, at least vs me he didn't
#2 - Mark Berg - ~1800 give or take 100-200 pts, 65 yrs old ... Lefty SH ... anti on BH ... has good ball control and move partners side to side

LONG VERSION

Last night ... no video :( ... wished i filmed some of the games last night. My 5th or 6th time hitting/playing since my ~5 months off break for shoulder achiness.

Add in my right ankle acting up ... hasn't acted up in quite some time. I took it easy. Had an ankle brace on. Didn't move as much as I wanted to

1) Warmed up with my arch-nemesis/friend "K" for ~20 mins - no match ... used the hinoki blade ... hit some as a SH and tried some modern PH with it. K made a comment about the MX-P on my Nexy blade, so i tried hitting with it.

After my ~5 months off from shoulder achiness, Block/Punch came back ... or perhaps K was making strong shots and I blocked and letting MX-P do the work, i just angled/guided/aimed the blocks back. Prior to last night, after the time off, I wasn't able to return balls with the Nexy. Perhaps partners hitting softly and not strong shots like K.

Was a little happy at making progress in being able to use the Nexy again.

2) SH ... FH inverted - fast wicked loop .... BH LP - kind of knows how to use it. He doesn't twiddle. Able to BH LP Smash. i kind of know how to play vs LP but kind of don't ... my club doesn't have a LP player ... let me rephrase that ... there are at least 2 LP players but they generally don't play with lower level members like me ... dude had next on our table, K wanted to take a break so I played LP dude

-0, 9, -8, -4

LOLOL at losing first 11-0. Need to rewatch that vid posted here sometime ago and relearn how to play vs LP ... didn't pace myself with hydration which factored into the rest of the night

Played with the Nexy... served mostly rocket serves to his BH and middle and got some easy 3rd ball HULK SMASH WINNERS ... a shame that i didn't capture to video ... although with video like that, i may not get 9 pts from ttmonster, Suga D, JeffM, Boogar, Shuki, NextLevel, ... LOL

Tried to serve short nospin to varying spots ... still need to work on this.

Dude was king of the table, Mark Berg had next. I rested waiting to take on the winner. Mark Berg's anti vs dude's LP ... Mark Berg won a close match.

3) Have not won a match vs Mark Berg ever ... would be good barometer for me to see if my game is at a steady level if i do ever beat him ... previously lost either 3-0 or 3-1... only 1 time 3-2. Again, not looking to win just to notch a win onto my belt, but to use it as a gauge on my progress.

I have a lot of fun playing Mark. Lots of banter. We both angle shots to move partner side-to-side.

First match = 9, then 8 or 9, then he got into my head and i jedi mind tricked myself LOL ... marveling at how well some of my shots were and that I'm getting aspects of my game back, lost 3 straight to lose the match LOL ... -5, -8, -4

Despite a brief break and hydrated, hydration was still a factor ... sometimes have fun and in the moment and don't remember to drink water lol felt a little weak/tired

When I play Mark, we generally have seemingly a lot of net and edge balls ... so part of my wins were a result of the net/edge balls ... i got them early, he got them late. Some nice HULK SMASH shots... only 1 heat-seeking loop drive from me. Varied serve placement as well as varied BH and FH serves ... made some punches down the line , missed many ... if i get my punch down the line consistent, i may be asking for only 7 points instead of 9 ;-)

No one had next, we played a 2nd match ... bit tired, but all along we both banter and have fun. lost 3 straight mostly at -5. Part of my success was consciously looking to "pick" (1980's term, think modern term is "flick") the ball ... despite gimpy ankle, looked to being more mobile vs mostly immobile opponent

Despite losses, had some progress in getting some consistency back on my shots... was a little pleased.

~3 hrs total

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Originally was going to rest tonight, but inadvertently left my shoes at club last night. will stop by to pick up, may hit a little for 60-90 mins. Rushed out of house, didn't remember to grab sneakers lol

Ankle not as gimpy as previous days. still have brace on, will see how it goes tonight

Thank you CCers!
 
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It's what I do, sometimes it is arguing, sometimes it is just suggesting disagreement with a position. If you were following the thread, you will notice that he didn't respond to this post here where I had already conceded the main point and agreed with him.



So maybe he just wanted to argue too.

As for avoiding the Chinese, no one can avoid Lin Gaoyuan, it is just luck. At this point, you have to believe you can beat him and forget about avoiding him, and he is clearly beatable, he is not on the same level as the others.

You have a point there, my friend. And a very good one, too!
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Hope my tone didn't insult you. But actually you should know my rude ways by now.
Thanks for not escalating.
 
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It's what I do, sometimes it is arguing, sometimes it is just suggesting disagreement with a position. If you were following the thread, you will notice that he didn't respond to this post here where I had already conceded the main point and agreed with him.



So maybe he just wanted to argue too.

As for avoiding the Chinese, no one can avoid Lin Gaoyuan, it is just luck. At this point, you have to believe you can beat him and forget about avoiding him, and he is clearly beatable, he is not on the same level as the others.


I think not just for timo and Dima, the WTTC is a very big chance for germany to develop the tabletennis pr on another level and get maybe a new tabletennis boom. therefore success has to occur from the german starters as Dima and Timo.
As well as for me who will be visiting everyday it is nice to see them play as often as possible would be a very unlucky if they destroy each other in the round last 16 than to lose against chinese both in the quarters.

Lin Gaoyuan is as you already mentioned definetly beatable but alsojust seeded under first 64 so there is anybody included ma long and all the other players who will have a good seeding and a very hard start into the tournament in the second round because of the lack of international playing experience by lin, but everybody knows he s for sure a top 10 player under normal circumstances.

all in all I thing neither the chinese nor the germans will be happy about playing him right at the beginning.
greets ;)
 
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Played some TT yesterday....

and locked up my back and induced painful nerve pinch due to a bad stretch on a stroke. :rolleyes:

I was in bed for 12 hours and the worst is far over, now my upper middle back is a bit painful, but I have regained many degrees of neck movement and I can actually move without pain. I did some very light stretching and moving my limbs and back to get some nutrient flow.

3 hours ago I could not have been here typing this or eating as I am now, so go figure. Just need to be careful and lie down a bit now. I've had stuff like this happen to me before so it's not a surprise. I also learned to never, ever, ever lift weights on low sleep, then go play tabletennis without an extensive warmup. Asking for it!

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What are some good bodyweight exercises/stretches I can do to prevent something like this? You know, spinal strength and whatnot. I'm pretty sure my upper back and neck are weaker than they should be.
 
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Today I made the best boosting in my career. I reboosted my H3N and then pressed it for 3 hours. I was afraid that it will become too mushy after that much tuning (it was boosted two times earlier) but it's better than ever. Tomorrow match-day, can't wait to try it!

Unfortunately I have a pain in my Achilles tendon. It has a slight swelling, so probably it's Achilles tendonitis.
If any of you had similar problem, please share what did you do to recover! I've begun to ice it and I use a strip to ease it.
So bad that tomorrow will be the most important match of the whole year in the league :(
 
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A like for a healthy and speedy recovery

Played some TT yesterday....

and locked up my back and induced painful nerve pinch due to a bad stretch on a stroke. :rolleyes:

I was in bed for 12 hours and the worst is far over, now my upper middle back is a bit painful, but I have regained many degrees of neck movement and I can actually move without pain. I did some very light stretching and moving my limbs and back to get some nutrient flow.

Unfortunately I have a pain in my Achilles tendon. It has a slight swelling, so probably it's Achilles tendonitis.
If any of you had similar problem, please share what did you do to recover! I've begun to ice it and I use a strip to ease it.
So bad that tomorrow will be the most important match of the whole year in the league :(
 
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Last night went to club and ankle still gimpy. Took it easy. Hit/Warmup for 1 hr with J.

Played for 30 mins with the previous night's shakehander who uses LP on his BH. Only my 2nd time playing him. I didn't have a chance to watch a vid on how to play vs LP yesterday LOL

He doesn't twiddle and has good FH loop, and decent enough with the LP. Previous night lost first game and got shut out. Last night, I had 1 goal in mind, do not get shut out LOL No video sadly. Some highlight-worthy rallies/shots by the both of us.

He gave me the serve, i went 2-0, felt relieved it wouldn't be a shutout. Then it was 2-2 LOL ... went on to win the first game at 8!

Next games: -8, -4, -5 ... LOL at me... lost the "eye of the tiger" along the way. After first 2 games, i experimented with other serves/tactics. What worked for me vs him were rocket serves to his BH/LP and generally 3rd ball smash winners ... was able to get speed on the serves and explosiveness/speed on smashes. Also rocket serve to his middle. I tried a few pendulum sidetop ... first one caught him missing, he underestimated the speed and the break on my sidespin. 2nd one he 'ate' - popped off the table... he adjusted next few times.

I tried a few times to push back his light downspin serves to his FH, avoiding his LP, looking to angle block his FH loop to his BH side and move him side-to-side. Worked 50%.

Previous night and last night, we both smiled and laughed at my play or lack of when his LP got me. He seemed to want to play me last night after my lucky pairing up with him the previous night's. Not tooting my own horn: think my smashes, rocket serves and move him side-to-side challenges his game and helps him improve. We both applauded each other's good shots. He had some wicked fast loops that I couldn't get to block. His LP sometimes gets me and sometimes don't.

Looking forward to play him with a good ankle LOL

Oh! I think the MX-P on my Nexy is dead. I played him first game with it and despite the win, i went to my backup hinoki/tenergy for the rest of the match. Didn't play RPB, stuck to my oldschool PH game despite having inverted on backside.


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As I play, I sometimes note many things wrong with my game, many aspects I'm trying to work on. Last night, I just "flowed", didn't "think" ... my old longstroke pendulum serves came out at times, sometimes it was the shortstroke pendulum which i'm working on getting ... my elbow raised a little on some loops, etc ... didn't think on correcting, just "Flow with the go".

i should've been home resting but as I left my shoes the previous night, figured i may as well play after i retrieved my shoes. Left after 90 mins.
 
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I hit with my buddy over the lunch hour yesterday.

He typically struggles vs my serve but today even more so and I think it was an adjustment I made. I'm always trying to find ways to improve it.

My pendulum serve typically is either side/top or side/back. But yesterday I did several corkscrew serves were my paddle touches the under side of the ball and the blade swings into my stomach. This ball is neither top nor back. I suppose one could argue after the two bounces that could be slight top but that's minor and I can always try to compensate for that by adding the tiniest bit of backspin to negate that if I wanted.

It certainly jumps more after bouncing on his side of the table given the nature of corkscrew. So that was nice. What I liked about this is that the motion from corkscrew to either side/top or side/back isn't that great at all. It's very minor and when you mix those in, I think he had trouble simply seeing what was happening.

I will continue to work with this on Sunday.

I am also starting a new blog specializing in the penhold pips style of play with twiddling and all that. I get that it's about as niche style of a play as one can find but I find it interesting and honestly pretty much all videos and/or topics on this style are from older gentlemen from the east where if you're like me, can't understand a single thing they're saying. So I'm hoping to highlight this style a little bit for people from the west a little. Variety is the spice of life and I think TT is most interesting when there are several ways out there to play it... I'm sure all 4 people who play this style & read it will appreciate it. :p

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LOLOL

At some point I may try SP/LP twiddling game.

:) then you'll be 1 of those 4.

I have a couple of new posts coming out in the next few days and this weekend I'll take some footage breaking down how twiddling works for me. Stay tuned.
 
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Osp... You could always remove and reglue mx-p..

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Der,

IIRC, I used it fairly often for 2-3 months after I got it from you ... then like 5 months off for shoulder recuperation. Tried regluing and it seemed to help the previous night, but last night, it "died" again ... i got a new sheet and will put on.

Thank you again Der!
 
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My pendulum serve typically is either side/top or side/back. But yesterday I did several corkscrew serves were my paddle touches the under side of the ball and the blade swings into my stomach. This ball is neither top nor back. I suppose one could argue after the two bounces that could be slight top but that's minor and I can always try to compensate for that by adding the tiniest bit of backspin to negate that if I wanted.

It certainly jumps more after bouncing on his side of the table given the nature of corkscrew. So that was nice. What I liked about this is that the motion from corkscrew to either side/top or side/back isn't that great at all. It's very minor and when you mix those in, I think he had trouble simply seeing what was happening.

I am not familiar with corkscrew, found this video ... maybe it's my old man pea brain or whatever understanding the nuances of what makes the corkscrew different than a FH pendulum...


FTR, I sometimes get these serves in like last night when the SH LP partner misjudged the "break" on my spin. But i just call these FH pendulum.
 
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