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Nevertheless, he also gave me this fresh tip, that could help, it might seem obvious for many of you, but it wasn't for me, never heard of it before ! Basically he told me to bend my toes (if this is the right english word), it gives more dynamism to the footwork, all the more perhaps that my feet are very much flat. I did feel an immediate difference. So i'll try to follow his advice from now on. You can try as well !!!

I've been curious about this. I have always stayed on my balls of feet, but I've watched some world class TT players and some of them seem flat-footed. Perhaps they are younger as well as professional athletes and I'm not. Generally I do not see flat-footed people in other sports.
 
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I've been curious about this. I have always stayed on my balls of feet, but I've watched some world class TT players and some of them seem flat-footed. Perhaps they are younger as well as professional athletes and I'm not. Generally I do not see flat-footed people in other sports.

Just as an interesting note on footwork I've noticed that He Zhi Wen when before & most likely during the point does this foot left & right alternate shuffle thing. I wouldn't describe it as being on the balls of his toes but he's definitely keeping his feet active & moving vs standing stationary flat footed which I think most of us would agree is bad and can lead to either slow footwork or no footwork & reaching for balls.

I think there's different ways to approach it. Sometimes on the women's circuit, it looks like they're literally doing a thousand little jumps between each hit. It burns my quads just watching it. :) Nonetheless, I'm sure this is a similar overall approach in just keeping their feet active and ready to move.
 
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Hit with P for 2 hrs straight last night. I alternated between PH and SH with emphasis on SH BH. Didn't BH loop per se but instead of a punch/flat BH, i added spin a little. Intermittently tried RPB. I only recorded to video ~15 mins after hitting for 1 hr 45 mins. Edited the raw footage down to ~5.5 mins.

Thanks to ttmonster's posting of Brett Clark's SH BH loop, i think i have the motion, but I didn't try it much last night.

Was getting ready to leave... very tired. A member wanted to hit for a few minutes with me. I guess people see or word got around, i am a steady enough blocker/partner and not looking to kill every shot and let partner work what they want. "A few minutes" was 30 mins. It was late and dead tired. Apologized to partner, but had to call it a night. No video.

0:00-0:39 PH FH
0:39-1:21 SH FH
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Just as an interesting note on footwork I've noticed that He Zhi Wen when before & most likely during the point does this foot left & right alternate shuffle thing. I wouldn't describe it as being on the balls of his toes but he's definitely keeping his feet active & moving vs standing stationary flat footed which I think most of us would agree is bad and can lead to either slow footwork or no footwork & reaching for balls.

I think there's different ways to approach it. Sometimes on the women's circuit, it looks like they're literally doing a thousand little jumps between each hit. It burns my quads just watching it. :) Nonetheless, I'm sure this is a similar overall approach in just keeping their feet active and ready to move.

Yeah, related to one of Newton's Laws of Motion ... a body at rest will stay at rest/a body in motion will stay in motion. Boxers are always on their balls of feet and in motion ... same with their lead hand ... always probing for weaknesses, acting as a barrier, like a snake, moving and ready to strike.
 
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I loved the part where the lady came and closed the locker :D .... just kidding ... you are doing wonderful OSPH and this angle was really good.... I just felt that your partner is standing too "front on" and thats the reason his blocks are sometimes going to your middle ... but all in all wonderful strokes and touch OSPH .. loved watching it ... once you see that you can recover a net ball that easy with your backhand , you know that your touch is there ... I think you should try and play more matches SH to start getting confidence ... btw.... one thing I wanted to ask , when you are warming up do you keep going cross court all the time ? If you are spending that much time drilling , I would keep changing the direction , even when you don't want to complex drills , like looping cross court , looping down the line , looping cross court from the backhand corner , will help you increase the table awareness and also the flexibility of your forehand technique ...

Hit with P for 2 hrs straight last night. I alternated between PH and SH with emphasis on SH BH. Didn't BH loop per se but instead of a punch/flat BH, i added spin a little. Intermittently tried RPB. I only recorded to video ~15 mins after hitting for 1 hr 45 mins. Edited the raw footage down to ~5.5 mins.

Thanks to ttmonster's posting of Brett Clark's SH BH loop, i think i have the motion, but I didn't try it much last night.

Was getting ready to leave... very tired. A member wanted to hit for a few minutes with me. I guess people see or word got around, i am a steady enough blocker/partner and not looking to kill every shot and let partner work what they want. "A few minutes" was 30 mins. It was late and dead tired. Apologized to partner, but had to call it a night. No video.

0:00-0:39 PH FH
0:39-1:21 SH FH
1:21-4:18 SH BH
4:18-5:40 PH BH

 
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I loved the part where the lady came and closed the locker :D .... just kidding ...

LOLOL i know right! i saw her and went to turn off the recording.

Another fun part - "J" does his dance 0:10-0:16 LOL

FYI my 'club' is a NYC Dept of Parks Recreation Center - $100 bucks a year - will not complain about the people going to and fro for that price. Share the floor with the Olympic lifters, weights machine, stationary bikes, and treadmills.

you are doing wonderful OSPH and this angle was really good....

Thank you for your kind words and encouragement ttmonster! I truly believe the Tenergy and/or American Hinoki is making me look halfway decent at SH. I knew some of my strokes shouldn't have landed, but the rubber made it land in!

I propped my phone inside a locker on the lockers wall ... sold my Joby magnetic tripod to a Dominican player months ago and didn't get a new tripod yet. Irks me that view shows part of the locker door LOL

I just felt that your partner is standing too "front on" and thats the reason his blocks are sometimes going to your middle ... but all in all wonderful strokes and touch OSPH .. loved watching it ... once you see that you can recover a net ball that easy with your backhand , you know that your touch is there ...

All rubber and/or blade - not me!! Once the Tenergy dies out, i may go to MX-P or mull a bit if i should get Tenergy ... at $75 a sheet, with my focus on exercise/recreation, plus family situation, i cannot in all honesty justify that kind of expenditure, especially since i would have to replace it periodically.

I think you should try and play more matches SH to start getting confidence

Past 2 nights, didn't play matches... still kind of feeling my way on SH and sporadically the RPB. Also, what may be lost in the SH play is, it's only my 6th time or so using the American Hinoki CPen with Tenergys I got from NL's Christmas contest. Getting used to it a bit more now... getting used to Tenergy also.

... btw.... one thing I wanted to ask , when you are warming up do you keep going cross court all the time ? If you are spending that much time drilling , I would keep changing the direction , even when you don't want to complex drills , like looping cross court , looping down the line , looping cross court from the backhand corner , will help you increase the table awareness and also the flexibility of your forehand technique ...

That advice is spot on of course. For now, have not done that yet. Wasn't sure if we would have the table to ourselves. We both hit FH to FH, then BH to BH... and both was in the moment and just hit. I expected someone to come along and call next. No one did, we just got lost in the moment and just flowed.

I didn't loop much last night. Well I'm not a good looper, still need to get the form right. I did try to add a little spin on each stroke part of the time, the other parts were flat hits.

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Ends up the Long Pips dude was there, I wanted to play him, but had fun just hitting with P and then all of a sudden it's 2 hrs later - realized too late! Should've hit 1 hr and then go to the other table and call next against LP lol

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Thank you again ttmonster!
 
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it was the big tournament day here.

I had 2 entries one in the 40-49yo category and in the open category.

There were only 15 people registered in the quadra cat, and actually one of them didn't even show up so in my group of 3 , we were only 2, and I met this guy whom i always meet recently and win 3-0 and it was the same outcome again. It must not be fun for him.

Just one win already means I'm through to semis, where i meet a guy whom i've played with perhaps back in 2005 or 2006, and he has always beaten me 3-0 straight in tournaments as far as I can remember. Not that he's THAT much better, (perhaps 50-100 points equivalent ?) but when you always lose the same guy, then it becomes a habit, and especially the end of sets are very difficult to handle with the nervosity.

He's got a very classic attacking game with a strong lefty FH and no totally obvious weaknesses although his BH is weaker. I think I may have posted a video of some earlier encounter this year. This time, by superstition i decided not to film anything although I brought the cam.

In the first set, he had the better start but then it was close, but "as usual" 11-9 for him. Its a hard blow again and he's cruising 9-3 in the second. But somehow i start to come back in the match, i get used to his serve. His main tactic was serving short to my FH and attacking strongly my BH. but i can make better quality receive to make his first attack more difficult and i am quick enough to block as the match progresses. Also my combo long BH serve + strong first attack starts to work very well. i make a come back but i lose 9-11 and i'm down 0 sets to 2 but i've come mentally back in the match, tchoooing on every winner and i start to believe i can win.

in the 3rd set and 4th set, i am in the zone, i can't remember everything, but i kept the same tactics, there were some FH to FH countertop rallies, i could block 2-3 times in a row , i even remember some down the line BH counter-blocks that surprised both him and myself ! So not only i win 1 set for the first time, but a second as well, but at this stage i feel nothing is done and that i could collapse any moment

Fortunately my mates keep cheering for me and i'm still pumped up tchoooing every point (not very nice but thats usually a good sign when i do so) and there is no collapse at all, the level of play is very good, I'm always ahead in this set as well and i win 11-8 this set and the match !!!! at this moment i'm happy like a cadet player having his first over 2000 win :)

Because im on the lighter side of the draw, there is a long waiting before the final. I can observe my opponent, i never played before, he plays PH, and has a good FH drive, very low and spinny, but seems to have some weaknesses because no BH with his style. I think i am way too anxious and also a bit colder than him when we play the final. The first two sets are a bit of a disaster, im too tense and serving too high, and he just attacks everything. his FH drive being low and spinny its very difficult to block and im not moving well enough to counter him

In the 3rd set i play much better but its a bit too late. i manage to keep serves lower, and to attack a few balls with my BH cross court. Thats really whats needed to beat PH but i didn't try hard enough with my BH from the start. I also score some points with my 3rd ball attacks now my serves get better. im down 8-10 with me to serve, i save the first match point but i make a serve miss on the 2nd one, which is just another proof i was too tense.

Its disappointing because clearly i left too much influx in the semis, i wasnt moving well and lacked confidence from the start. honestly if i played like my normal level it should have been 50/50 or even me a slight favorite for this match.

In the afternoon open its 88 entrants, and im in a mini league of 4 people where i'm placed 2nd. i play the weakest guy first and have a quick easy victory. i play the 3rd player, he's in his 50s and honestly i should be 100 or 200 points above, because even though he's got some good attacks, he's not very consistent. The problem is, my mental energy is still low and i don't have time either to grab lunch as i had to play as soon as the final was over. i was easily ahead 7-3 in the first game and the problem is i thought the match was already over. i give away a silly point and before i cool down i've lost the 1st set 9-11. In the 2nd, he starts to play even better and i become nervous, making easy mistakes being too tense and not moving at all. he's pumped up and starts tchoooing a lot as well

Im not panicking yet, i know that if i manage to recover mentally and move normally i should win. i take a good start in the 3rd, and i start tchoooing again which is a good sign. i win the 3rd and 4th set easily.

However in the 5th set i don't make a headstart, i make a few mistakes again being more nervous and we're at 7-7 with my serve. i have a high chance ball after an attack but there's backspin on it, i don't adjust my feet, still go for a topspin winner but it ends up in the net, thats a beginner's mistake. then i miss the serve, its 7-9, im collapsing mentally 7-11.

To make things worse, before playing this last set i start to have negative thoughts because this guy lost 0-3 to the top player of the group that even if i lose, all i have to do is win the top guy anyway. but that was silly because when thinking about it a second time, it actually means i have to beat him 3-1 !! I realize my mistake and that puts extra pressure on me when facing the tough player. he's a 53yo playing a classic PH with short pips. This is the style i hate most and have the worst record i believe. And he's really good, his drive is not fast but excellent placement and consistency, while keeping the ball low.

And the guy was playing at least 100 points better than me... he had a head start , already 0-5 in the first set and given the situation, i think im unconsciously giving up too easily. And the guy is really moving a lot. despite being older, he was getting everything back, even some very shots, attacks or blocks which were clear winners. He would even try to get them while he was far ahead. -4 -5 -2 is my punishment. Even if I played my best, i think i have only 20%-30% to win max, but i played really far from my best, even though i'd say the worst match was the one i lost in full sets.

so 3 wins and 3 losses today, but the most painful one is of course the defeat in the final, even if a tournament win would have been technically only 3 matches won (2 tough ones), i am very upset because I very seldom go that far in tournaments. I wouldn't have minded to lose the next 5 matches in a row if i had got this title !!! I just have the satisfaction to have beaten my usual enemy for the first time in so many years... a pack of 3 star balls, a pair of socks and a piece of paper for being 2nd.

in Japanese they have a (new?) euphemism "JUNYUUSHO" for the losing finalist. YUUSHO means winner, and JUN means something like "pseudo" or "quasi-" like "quasi-winner". maybe in the same way that you don't say this guy is obese but he's overweight... So thats whats written on my piece of paper with my name, the usual prize for our efforts here.
 
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Just one win already means I'm through to semis, where i meet a guy whom i've played with perhaps back in 2005 or 2006, and he has always beaten me 3-0 straight in tournaments as far as I can remember. Not that he's THAT much better, (perhaps 50-100 points equivalent ?) but when you always lose the same guy, then it becomes a habit, and especially the end of sets are very difficult to handle with the nervosity.

He's got a very classic attacking game with a strong lefty FH and no totally obvious weaknesses although his BH is weaker. I think I may have posted a video of some earlier encounter this year. This time, by superstition i decided not to film anything although I brought the cam.

In the first set, he had the better start but then it was close, but "as usual" 11-9 for him. Its a hard blow again and he's cruising 9-3 in the second. But somehow i start to come back in the match, i get used to his serve. His main tactic was serving short to my FH and attacking strongly my BH. but i can make better quality receive to make his first attack more difficult and i am quick enough to block as the match progresses. Also my combo long BH serve + strong first attack starts to work very well. i make a come back but i lose 9-11 and i'm down 0 sets to 2 but i've come mentally back in the match, tchoooing on every winner and i start to believe i can win.

in the 3rd set and 4th set, i am in the zone, i can't remember everything, but i kept the same tactics, there were some FH to FH countertop rallies, i could block 2-3 times in a row , i even remember some down the line BH counter-blocks that surprised both him and myself ! So not only i win 1 set for the first time, but a second as well, but at this stage i feel nothing is done and that i could collapse any moment

Fortunately my mates keep cheering for me and i'm still pumped up tchoooing every point (not very nice but thats usually a good sign when i do so) and there is no collapse at all, the level of play is very good, I'm always ahead in this set as well and i win 11-8 this set and the match !!!! at this moment i'm happy like a cadet player having his first over 2000 win :)
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Congrats. I think I remember this guy, he may be the one that I said has no backhand and that I felt that if you "transitioned him (one ball to the forehand, one ball to the backhand or vice versa since he liked to pivot) he would fall apart. I know that superstition too, and I try to tell people all the time that when you are down big in a game that isn't the final game, it is time to try and find things that you can use in future games, not time to give up on the match or to play tight. IT is best of 5 for a reason.

Unfortunately you couldn't play your best in the other matches, But to me, on days like that, I try to remember the reason I played that day and it was the one result I achieved that I hadn't before. The final, you need to play more events where you are the favorite. I find that most people who think of finals as a big deal haven't done that enough. Because if you are the favorite, you make more finals, and if you win a few events, you start focus on the opponent, not on the stage. Not sure how easy it is in Japan, but it is not too hard in America as long as people don't get scared of losing rating points playing their own events.

I usually find it dangerous in the US when I meet someone who is almost 2000 who has never won an event. It shows me the person has been way too rating conscious and has skipped events he is the favorite in and should win.
 
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All rubber and/or blade - not me!! Once the Tenergy dies out, i may go to MX-P or mull a bit if i should get Tenergy ... at $75 a sheet, with my focus on exercise/recreation, plus family situation, i cannot in all honesty justify that kind of expenditure, especially since i would have to replace it periodically.

Some people use Tenergy for years before replacing it - just keep it clean. No rush.

The loops look good. Yes, Tenergy kinda loops for you, but that is the whole point isn't it? And you still have to loop to let it loop for you, so don't take too much from yourself.

There are lots of ways of getting topspin with backhand.

Other than the finger being high up the blade, the strokes look decent. It doesn't affect forehand as much as backhand but does affect both sides. If I ever get a chance, I might make a video on why and whether one needs to fix it or not. But some players like to raise the finger on forehand and drop it back down on backhand and even me, when I play powerful forehands or block aggressively, the racket shifts in my hand and the finger is high up on the blade based on where I end up - I have theories why, but it would be dishonest to explain it as if it is something I try to do.
 
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So, yesterday we had to play to stay in our league.
Was very nervous begining for us, but then it turned out to be another regular match.
I have some footage, so.. this is doubles:


Then our best player against their no. 2:


After that I got our no. 3 against their no 1:


This is our player no. 2, the defender.. against their player no. 2:


Clash of our best players 1 vs. 1 , just got only end of the second game and the third game complete.
Our no. 1 was afraid, because he never beat him before, but this was other story..


And I also got my match (I am no. 4, worst one, lol) against their no. 3..


I will have probably one more match, our 3 against their 3, but its not uploaded yet..
 
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Its difficult to win a final, or to play the next match after a good win. i remember last year after i beat in the favourite in the group stage, i lost in semis to a "somewhat lower" rated opponent, playing quite badly (there is no rating system here so its a subjective assertion). if i had won, i would have advanced to the finals against the guy i had beaten in the group stage, with a real chance to win again (or so i thought at the time)

Yes his BH is nowhere as good as his FH, but i've seen play against other (stronger) players and he's able to play very good BH from time to time. The other truth is when you've beaten the same guy for more than 10 years with the same tactics, you don't want to change. It's very understandable he would just try to play the same in the 3rd,4th and 5th set, just waiting for me to play to my "average usual" level and to beat me as usual, and not try new tactics and try to use BH attacks in the middle of the match.

I knew that despite losing so many times to him, the mental aspect was important and that i had enough weapons to beat him. Now i think of it, i think his weak point is tactics (he didn't change) and his ball has always the same pace (he would always to drive hard to my BH, if he mixed strong attacks with slower but spinnier attacks i would be more confused for sure). so basically from the 2nd set i had adapted to his game, but he could not adapt to my tactics.
 
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So, yesterday we had to play to stay in our league.
Was very nervous begining for us, but then it turned out to be another regular match.
I have some footage, so.. this is doubles:


Then our best player against their no. 2:


After that I got our no. 3 against their no 1:


This is our player no. 2, the defender.. against their player no. 2:


Clash of our best players 1 vs. 1 , just got only end of the second game and the third game complete.
Our no. 1 was afraid, because he never beat him before, but this was other story..


And I also got my match (I am no. 4, worst one, lol) against their no. 3..


I will have probably one more match, our 3 against their 3, but its not uploaded yet..

Very nice videos :) The level in your 4. league seems to be quiet high. How many leagues are there? Pardon if you already elaborated on that before and I missed it.
 
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Very nice videos :) The level in your 4. league seems to be quiet high. How many leagues are there? Pardon if you already elaborated on that before and I missed it.

To me the level is pretty low :D :D :D
We are 4th league, there are 5 more leagues (lower, so 9th is lowest) and 4 more higher leagues (3rd, 2nd, 1st and extra-league) .. You can find some extraleague videos on my channel too and also 1st league videos.
Anyways, this is the last match I got recorded..

Our no. 3 player against their no. 3 player.
Our player made it to be a kind of exhibition :D


 
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To me the level is pretty low :D :D :D
We are 4th league, there are 5 more leagues (lower, so 9th is lowest) and 4 more higher leagues (3rd, 2nd, 1st and extra-league) .. You can find some extraleague videos on my channel too and also 1st league videos.
Anyways, this is the last match I got recorded..

Our no. 3 player against their no. 3 player.
Our player made it to be a kind of exhibition :D



Ah i see, and extra league being the best league in the country?

I was a bit confused, because i play in the 4. league as well. But there are are actually 10-8 leagues (depending on the region) the top three leagues are called National leagues a-c and then it starts with the 1 league, which would actually be the 4. league. Seen from this perspective i am playing in the 7. highest league :D.
 
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I played for over an hour today. There was quite a bit of rust after not playing for about 2.5 months (aside from 10 min Wednesday).

Man it was fun. Timing and contact took a little while to warm up. But it is kind of cool how fast you get most of it back if you think about it.


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in Japanese they have a (new?) euphemism "JUNYUUSHO" for the losing finalist. YUUSHO means winner, and JUN means something like "pseudo" or "quasi-" like "quasi-winner". maybe in the same way that you don't say this guy is obese but he's overweight... So thats whats written on my piece of paper with my name, the usual prize for our efforts here.

In Korean, if you are runner up, it is called Joon-Oo-seung. Joon is like runner up or second. If you are knocked out from the tourney of eliminated, you are Tarrack. For a while, on OOAK forum, I changed my nickname to Mr. Tarrack by getting knocked out sooner than I wanted.
 
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I played for over an hour today. There was quite a bit of rust after not playing for about 2.5 months (aside from 10 min Wednesday).

Man it was fun. Timing and contact took a little while to warm up. But it is kind of cool how fast you get most of it back if you think about it.


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Me today, I played tournament coach and EJ madman. Bought aTenaly and long pips and coached a friend who wanted to make me pull my hair out through his knockout matches in the U2000. He lost deuce in the 5th, coming back from being down 3-10 to lose 12-14.
 
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I played for over an hour today. There was quite a bit of rust after not playing for about 2.5 months (aside from 10 min Wednesday).

Man it was fun. Timing and contact took a little while to warm up. But it is kind of cool how fast you get most of it back if you think about it.


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Oh, and all I did was long distance blasting. My step around from the BH corner to loop with FH had a few cobwebs in it for the first 30 min. But once my FH was warm the feet started getting me there better.
 
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This past Wednesday, I was the Match Director of the Virginia Senior Games. Held for the first time at my city. I was thrilled to run the tournament and award the medals. We had over 60 people attend from across the state.

The TT events were: Singles, Doubles, and, Mixed-Doubles

Across the USA, men and women can compete in 'Senior Games' if over the age of 50. There are other enents too like: tennis, pickeball, bowling, etc. Each state can hold their events at different times. It follows USATT rules (that mostly follow ITTF rules), however, is not an USATT sanctioned event.

So, I've run 2 tournaments in two years. The second was harder than the first (it was 2X bigger). I kinda like doing this MD stuff. I want to try this a couple more times....
 
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