Robot training Robo Pong 2050

[Paweł Banasik]

Hello. I'm thinking about investing in a robot to improve my game. I have a lot of problems with topspin attack and Footwork. Is it a good idea? Is the machine worth investing? What is your experience with training on a robot? I don't have access to a club or trainer. .and sometimes my training partner is not available. I'd be grateful for any clues

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

There are definitely things you can work on with a robot. And they can be pretty fun. It is very different from hitting with a human though.

 

[ajtatosmano2]

It's better than nothing. You have to decide if it's worth the money.

 

[yoass]

Hello. I'm thinking about investing in a robot to improve my game. I have a lot of problems with topspin attack and Footwork. Is it a good idea? Is the machine worth investing? What is your experience with training on a robot? I don't have access to a club or trainer. .and sometimes my training partner is not available. I'd be grateful for any clues

I find training against the robot very useful to internalize (automate) strokes and movement. Shadow training first, then a few thousand balls from a robot starting out with low frequency, upping the frequency, and then with variations in placement, depth, speed, spin — it helps to get things engrained.

It's not as good as a high-intensivity training from a good coach feeding you multiballs and providing immediate feedback, but it's much better than hitting random balls against opponents that struggle to get practicable balls on your table half. And the robot does offer what your body needs to build muscle memory, which is to say: repetition, repetition, and repetition.

In addition to robot-fed balls, use the robot setup for service practice (just to collect the balls you're serving into it). Same thing: repetition, repetition, repetition.

So yes robot yes. And more.

 

[jamesmith]

robot

I am selling my Newgy 1050 robot, it is only 9 months old, if you are interested I send information to you. Around 13,000 Thailand Baht

 

[Paweł Banasik]

Sorry. I'm only interested in local product with two year warranty

 

[jamesmith]

ok thank you for your reply

 

[Tom Lodziak]

Hi Pawel

I have this robot at home and I have used it quite a lot over the past 3-4 years, so can give you some good advice.

Firstly, have realistic expectations about what you can do with a robot. Training with a robot isn't going to make you a world beater, but it can help you improve if you use it in addition to training with other people. I have used my Robo-Pong 2050 to improve my technique, my footwork and my recovery between shots (it can shoot the balls out pretty fast). As UpSideDownCarl says above, playing with a robot can be fun and is great entertainment if you ever have a party at your house (honestly, people go crazy for it)!

I have written a more in-depth article about the pros and cons of training with a robot. Read it here: http://www.tabletenniscoach.me.uk/can-a-table-tennis-robot-help-you-improve/

As for the Robo-Pong 2050 itself - it's a decent, well-made product. It has lots of programmed training drills and you can event program your own (although I have never done this, as I just use the pre-set ones). The biggest limitation of the robot is that it can only shoot one type of spin at a time. But you soon adjust to this. I really like the robot and there are loads of footwork drills you'll be able to do with it.

If you have any specific questions about the robot, please feel free to ask (I'm not a sponsored by Newgy or anything like that - I just really like the robot!).

Tom

 

[Suga D]

Our club wanted to get a robot and asked me to find out which works the best for us, since not everyone's lookibg for the same things, so i started reading a whole heap of different reviews and finally came across the Butterfly Amicus.

The biggest limitation of the robot is that it can only shoot one type of spin at a time.

That was one of the reasons why our club has bought the Butterfly Amicus Advance.
It can serve 'any' kind of spin so it allows to imitate whole moves.
For instance: short backspin serve to the BH, then long topspin to the wide FH, then fast no-spin to the BH again, and so on. Up to six different type of balls can be simulated.
The pro version can do up to ten.
BTW i'm not Butterfly sponsored.
[Emoji2]

But as Carl, yoass and Tom already mentioned: it can't replace practicing with humans.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

Our club wanted to get a robot and asked me to find out which works the best for us, since not everyone's lookibg for the same things, so i started reading a whole heap of different reviews and finally came across the Butterfly Amicus.



That was one of the reasons why our club has bought the Butterfly Amicus Advance.
It can serve 'any' kind of spin so it allows to imitate whole moves.
For instance: short backspin serve to the BH, then long topspin to the wide FH, then fast no-spin to the BH again, and so on. Up to six different type of balls can be simulated.
The pro version can do up to ten.
BTW i'm not Butterfly sponsored.
[Emoji2]

But as Carl, yoass and Tom already mentioned: it can't replace practicing with humans.

I was actually going to mention this robot because it seems amazing to me. That robot would be a really great adjunct to training with coaches and training partners.

If I had the option of getting a table and a robot, I would get one of these Amicus Advance or Professional robots. They are really on a different level.


Sent from The Subterranean Workshop by Telepathy

 

[Paweł Banasik]

What about a model amicus basic ? It seems to have the different types of spin? How is it worse than amicus advance?

 

[Suga D]

Good question.
I actually don't know how many ball's in sequence can be programmed with the basic version, but i'll try to find out.

But I'm quite sure there was a reason why i decided to get the advance version, just can't remember why. It's already been a while.
But i'll try to find out.
[Emoji6]

 

[Paweł Banasik]

The basic model has the same robot only different control panel. .the minus is you can only program 6 different balls and it has the random mode do you think it'll be enough? You can always upgrade to the advance mode. .by buying the advance control panel. .I wonder the price:/

 

[Paweł Banasik]

I decided to order robo pong 2050..hope to improve my skills on it on the premade drills. A guy who is a league player and an owner of TT shop highly recommender me this model..and give me a discount

 

[Ragnolo]

I have a Butterfly Amicus Robot Professional and i can say this: robot is very useful for repeat exercises and training, but very dangerous if you haven't a good technic. Why? Coz with a robot you improve also wrong movements if you aren't under coach supervision.

For this i say you: robot it's good, but robot only not sufficient..

 

[langel]

Absolutely agree with Ragnolo.
Nothing can compare to human behaviour.
But robots are very-very usefull too. In my club children train with 3 trainors and 2 robots, and results are very outstanding.
The wall of fame nicely glitters.

 

[Ilia Minkin]

Robots do help with footwork, especially in "random" mode where you can't cheat by moving into position too early. The caveat is that if your technique is not good yet, then hitting with robot can be "dangerous". The reason is that it is easy to get hundreds of repetitions without good feedback and ingrain bad strokes. Then you will have to train hard to unlearn them. An easy solution is filming yourself and analyzing videos or even sending them to a coach.

 

[Brs]

If you could get human partners to do drills and feed multiball with you that would be way more effective than a robot. Robots don't have real visual or sound cues of spin or direction. If you get used to hitting with a robot you can lose the habit and skill to pick up those clues and end up playing worse.

To be fair, robots are great for building TT-specific fitness. But so is multiball.

 

[Paweł Banasik]

I'm planning to film the training and than analyse my movement.

 

[yoass]

I'm planning to film the training and than analyse my movement.

I sometimes do that. However, to me that's part of the usefulness of shadow play in front of a mirror; immediate feedback while still creating autonomous muscle memory.