Yinhe Jupiter 3 Amazing Rubber

[Michael Zhuang]

So i tested the 41 too on my PBO... but holy moly was that a fast setup. I actually wished for a more slower and controlled setting with the hardness but my shots were more like gunshots. The sound was pretty amazing too^^ I actually could perform quite well with it. Some errors of course with shots going too wide, but way less than i thought after the warmup.
So i still have a good arc with it but i definitly have to adjust my technique a bit, especially if i want to attack close to the table.

Now i actually have a big problem with the 37. First i wanted to put it on my FZD ALC too, to compare it directly, but the H8-80 feels shitty with my technique on the PBO. I make many errors with flicks and counterattacks, which i actually dont do with the moon 12 on the alc, so right now am tending to change the H8-80 on the PBO and let the FZD ALC setup the way it is right now, because im quite happy with it.

Ah, and before i forget the comparison you wished for: The J3 is way faster than the LAC. Arc is around the same, which is pretty amazing for such a fast rubber. Spin level might be a bit in favor of the LAC but that is hard to judge because of the change of the blade too. LAC is more controllable though and gives you slightly more room for error but not that much for me, that i actually would rate the LAC over all better than the J3.
At least for fh im quite surprised by that rubber. If that rubber is consistent i might even stick with it for a longer time as my new rocket launcher. But that will be decided in the next training sessions.

Cool, sounds like you are finding out the magic of the J3 that I accidentally discovered.

I was curious to try the LAC, but since you say the J3 is way faster, I'm less inclined to test the LAC. I had a feeling you would say that actually, because I just have never seen rubbers as fast as the J3 while still being tacky and spinny. It actually probably makes sense for me to just go ahead and use J3 on BH as well. There's really no reason not to use it on backhand. Fast, spinny, good arc.

I'm curious which rubber is faster, the LAC or the Loki N80.

Is the LAC faster or slower than Big Dipper?

What is Moon 12 like? Is it basically similar to Moon Speed?

 

[longle]

So i tested the 41 too on my PBO... but holy moly was that a fast setup. I actually wished for a more slower and controlled setting with the hardness but my shots were more like gunshots. The sound was pretty amazing too^^ I actually could perform quite well with it. Some errors of course with shots going too wide, but way less than i thought after the warmup.
So i still have a good arc with it but i definitly have to adjust my technique a bit, especially if i want to attack close to the table.

Now i actually have a big problem with the 37. First i wanted to put it on my FZD ALC too, to compare it directly, but the H8-80 feels shitty with my technique on the PBO. I make many errors with flicks and counterattacks, which i actually dont do with the moon 12 on the alc, so right now am tending to change the H8-80 on the PBO and let the FZD ALC setup the way it is right now, because im quite happy with it.

Ah, and before i forget the comparison you wished for: The J3 is way faster than the LAC. Arc is around the same, which is pretty amazing for such a fast rubber. Spin level might be a bit in favor of the LAC but that is hard to judge because of the change of the blade too. LAC is more controllable though and gives you slightly more room for error but not that much for me, that i actually would rate the LAC over all better than the J3.
At least for fh im quite surprised by that rubber. If that rubber is consistent i might even stick with it for a longer time as my new rocket launcher. But that will be decided in the next training sessions.

seems I have some issues with J3's consistency. The first day it was very fast, and the next day it lost its bounciness, some shots bottomed out. My friend also bought one and he boosted it, he claimed that it's much more stable if boosted.

 

[Attitude]

Cool, sounds like you are finding out the magic of the J3 that I accidentally discovered.

I was curious to try the LAC, but since you say the J3 is way faster, I'm less inclined to test the LAC. I had a feeling you would say that actually, because I just have never seen rubbers as fast as the J3 while still being tacky and spinny. It actually probably makes sense for me to just go ahead and use J3 on BH as well. There's really no reason not to use it on backhand. Fast, spinny, good arc.

I'm curious which rubber is faster, the LAC or the Loki N80.

Is the LAC faster or slower than Big Dipper?

What is Moon 12 like? Is it basically similar to Moon Speed?

I would say that LAC is in the middle between boosted H3 and J3.
Yeah im really curious now how that thing feels on backhand. Especially if that one is really that softer. Maybe that is not even a good thing, but we will see.

The LAC is around the same as the BD. But i shouldnt be the one to compare that because i literally despise that one, because of how differently one BD to another felt. As ive said, the last one was way faster and nontacky.

I never played Moon Speed, but Moon 12 feels really controlled. A bit slow (it is damn soft too) but with a decent use of your wrist you can get everything you need with really good consistency. Right now i play better with it, as i did with my Vega X.

My current backhand for reference (FZD ALC+Xiom Vega X in max): https://youtu.be/giLBqzAFzuc

 

[Attitude]

seems I have some issues with J3's consistency. The first day it was very fast, and the next day it lost its bounciness, some shots bottomed out. My friend also bought one and he boosted it, he claimed that it's much more stable if boosted.

Well that doesnt sound enticing. I will train again this weekend and see if that rubber changes in the coming training sessions.
Boosting that rubber though doesnt seem to be a promising thing though. It is already pretty fast and i dont see why i need more characteristics that a booster could give me^^

 

[Michael Zhuang]

I would say that LAC is in the middle between boosted H3 and J3.
Yeah im really curious now how that thing feels on backhand. Especially if that one is really that softer. Maybe that is not even a good thing, but we will see.

The LAC is around the same as the BD. But i shouldnt be the one to compare that because i literally despise that one, because of how differently one BD to another felt. As ive said, the last one was way faster and nontacky.

I never played Moon Speed, but Moon 12 feels really controlled. A bit slow (it is damn soft too) but with a decent use of your wrist you can get everything you need with really good consistency. Right now i play better with it, as i did with my Vega X.

My current backhand for reference (FZD ALC+Xiom Vega X in max): https://youtu.be/giLBqzAFzuc

Are you going to test the 37d version for backhand?

I think your description sounds about right. LAC is around the same speed as BD. BD is faster than H3. J3 is faster than BD.

I'm guessing that J3 is just a better rubber for me than LAC, but I'm still just curious to try LAC someday. If LAC is indeed a copy of BD, that would not be a bad result at all. To me, BD is still a very good fast and responsive rubber.

 

[Attitude]

Are you going to test the 37d version for backhand?

I think your description sounds about right. LAC is around the same speed as BD. BD is faster than H3. J3 is faster than BD.

I'm guessing that J3 is just a better rubber for me than LAC, but I'm still just curious to try LAC someday. If LAC is indeed a copy of BD, that would not be a bad result at all. To me, BD is still a very good fast and responsive rubber.

Yep, probably put that one on the PBO too.

LAC is definitly not a copy of BD^^ In terms of speed and especially arc, hardness, tackiness and so on, it is more a clone of a boosted H3. But a really well boosted H3.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Yep, probably put that one on the PBO too.

LAC is definitly not a copy of BD^^ In terms of speed and especially arc, hardness, tackiness and so on, it is more a clone of a boosted H3. But a really well boosted H3.

But you said that LAC is between boosted H3 and J3. So if I understand correctly, LAC is faster than boosted H3. Is that what you mean? And you also said that LAC is about the same speed as BD.

How is the feeling of LAC? To me, H3 has a very dull and dense feeling. BD has a very clicky and lively feeling. What about LAC?

 

[Attitude]

But you said that LAC is between boosted H3 and J3. So if I understand correctly, LAC is faster than boosted H3. Is that what you mean? And you also said that LAC is about the same speed as BD.

How is the feeling of LAC? To me, H3 has a very dull and dense feeling. BD has a very clicky and lively feeling. What about LAC?

Depends on your shotquality and your strength as per usually with hard rubbers.

Yeah i boosted my H3s mostly with one bigger layer so it had a slight dome and put that one on the blade in the next 1-2 days. If you boost harder you will get closer to LAC which is fast than H3 boosted like i did and still faster than the neo version.

The arc of BD i with most batches at least, way lower (just a slight curve), the spin and feeling is less than LAC. For me BD is just a fast but overall weaker rubber than LAC. On top i had 0 noticable differences between the LAC batches.

To answer the question about feeling. LAC doesnt really feel springy but more solid. It has a pretty linear feeling. LAC gets clicky if you really hit strong shots.
I mean hear for yourself, if i remember correctly i had the LAC on my Yinhe pro 01 at that time:

You can even hear the differences quite well between low and high quality shots^^. Imo the feedback of LAC is quite clear so i could definitly grow quite well with that one.

 

[Michael Zhuang]

So you're saying LAC is same speed as BD, but more spin, more feel, and more arc?

 

[IB66]

Well the EJ bug has reared it’s head again, after about 6-9 months of Rakza Z. I needed new sheets of Rakza Z and Z EH and thought I’d order some other rubbers as well, so after reading this thread I ordered 2 sheets of Jupiter 3, 38 and 39 degree, 2 sheets of H8-80 37 and 38 degree, 1 sheet RZ and 1 Sheet RZ EH. With a bonus sheet of H9 39 degree no22 sponge, just to see what it’s like!!!!
The H8-80 & Jupiter 3 turned up yesterday, the RZ & H9 due Tuesday.

I glued up the H8-80 and Jupiter 3, so they are ready to try out on Tuesday. I’ve played with H8-80 before and I’m looking forward to comparing it to the Jupiter 3.
As far as tackiness is concerned (out of the pack), they both have the same amount of tackiness and bounce, or my sheets do, both held a ball for about 2 seconds, and both had 4 bounces then the ball stopped. Pretty similar.

looking forward to trying them out side by side!!!

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Well the EJ bug has reared it’s head again, after about 6-9 months of Rakza Z. I needed new sheets of Rakza Z and Z EH and thought I’d order some other rubbers as well, so after reading this thread I ordered 2 sheets of Jupiter 3, 38 and 39 degree, 2 sheets of H8-80 37 and 38 degree, 1 sheet RZ and 1 Sheet RZ EH. With a bonus sheet of H9 39 degree no22 sponge, just to see what it’s like!!!!
The H8-80 & Jupiter 3 turned up yesterday, the RZ & H9 due Tuesday.

I glued up the H8-80 and Jupiter 3, so they are ready to try out on Tuesday. I’ve played with H8-80 before and I’m looking forward to comparing it to the Jupiter 3.
As far as tackiness is concerned (out of the pack), they both have the same amount of tackiness and bounce, or my sheets do, both held a ball for about 2 seconds, and both had 4 bounces then the ball stopped. Pretty similar.

looking forward to trying them out side by side!!!

Look forward to hearing your findings. I know that Jupiter 3 is fast, but I always had the impression that all Hurricane rubbers are slow, even the #80 sponge versions.

Although I don't think I've ever actually hit with the #80 before. I've tried H8, and it was just slightly faster than H3.

 

[IB66]

Well the H9 and RZ/RZ EH turned up a day early!! sweet!! Stuck the H9 on a blade that has H8-80 on it (old sheet)
Haven't stuck on the new sheets of RZ / RZ EH on my to go blade yet so the old sheets will have to do!! so tonight 1 can test the all of them against each other!! (all UNBOOSTED)
Set up's are -
Stiga Def Pro with H9 (blue) 2.2mm and H8-80 EH
SDC blades - 2no the same. defensive rating (circa 975Hz)
1 with J3 38/39 degree
1 with RZ / RZ EH
SDC blade (Primorac all wood clone) with H8-80 37/38 degree.

The blades are slowest to fastest - SDC def rating, Stiga Def Pro, SDC Primorac All wood clone, so this will have some impact on the 'speed' of the rubbers when comparing.

 

[longle]

I found this Blue sponge Jupiter 3 Pro, looks great
https://www.prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=Jupiter3BLUE&fbclid=IwAR0Ui2c_LvmWqXiRrIpQwRB08kxA9Z4rqEJerAeVb_L5snuGdmSQqeCEZuQ

 

[Michael Zhuang]

I found this Blue sponge Jupiter 3 Pro, looks great
https://www.prott.vip/Product-Details.aspx?productcode=Jupiter3BLUE&fbclid=IwAR0Ui2c_LvmWqXiRrIpQwRB08kxA9Z4rqEJerAeVb_L5snuGdmSQqeCEZuQ

Will you get the blue sponge version to test the difference between the normal orange version?

 

[IB66]

Well the H9 and RZ/RZ EH turned up a day early!! sweet!! Stuck the H9 on a blade that has H8-80 on it (old sheet)
Haven't stuck on the new sheets of RZ / RZ EH on my to go blade yet so the old sheets will have to do!! so tonight 1 can test the all of them against each other!! (all UNBOOSTED)
Set up's are -
Stiga Def Pro with H9 (blue) 2.2mm and H8-80 EH
SDC blades - 2no the same. defensive rating (circa 975Hz)
1 with J3 38/39 degree
1 with RZ / RZ EH
SDC blade (Primorac all wood clone) with H8-80 37/38 degree.

The blades are slowest to fastest - SDC def rating, Stiga Def Pro, SDC Primorac All wood clone, so this will have some impact on the 'speed' of the rubbers when comparing.

Tonight I had the 1st run out with Jupiter 3, I got mixed up with which blade it is on!! It’s actually on the SDC Primorac clone, and the H8-80 is on the SDC defensive blade.
I started off knocking up with the H8-80/H9 combo on the Stiga Def Pro and then used the J3 on the Primorac Clone, the speed difference between the 2 set ups was very noticeable, the J3 was much faster! Whether this is down to the different blades???
the HZ of the primorac Clone is about 1250Hz the SDC Def about 975Hz
So I need to put the J3 onto one of the SDC Def blades to get a better comparison.

Mind you, it’s unlikely to happen any time soon, the J3 was really good on the Primorac Clone!!!!!
Spin levels seemed very good, throw was lower than RZ, and the speed is good, loops were very good, low and fast
, pushing was solid, lifting back spin took a little time to get use to, because of the lower throw compared to the RZ that I have been using for the last 6-9 months, after bat angle adjustment things improved.

Didn’t have long enough with the J3 to really get to grips with it, slow, high spinny open ups were much harder to achieve, but faster, low more penetrating open ups were a breeze!!
Overall feeling of J3 is harder than H8-80, H9 and RZ/RZ EH
Also had a few issues with FH drive to start with, many in the net, again more time needed to adjust.
For now the J3 is going to stay where it is!! Initial thoughts are that I’ll need to get another 2 sheets to put on a defensive blade!!

J3 is very interesting and a real contender, time will tell regarding durability.

Hopefully over the Xmas period I’ll have a few sessions with the robot and serve practice sessions, I’ll be able to get a better comparison with the other rubbers.

Only minor gripe is that the black sheet has a dull finish to the main centre section and a glossy finish to either side, that’s how it came out of the pack, red sheet is all good!! Dull and glossy feels identical, the glossy section isn’t slippery, just as grippy/sticky as the dull part. Doesn’t seem to affect plying characteristics.

 

[NextLevel]

Wont buy it before the end of December.
I suppose it wont feel that hard as Arthur China, because of the factory tuning. After checking out some more reviews im kinda wondering how long it will last and how consistent the rubber is, especially because of the price. There has to be some kind of tradeoff. Maybe it is hugely spin sensitive, but i will see.

To answer your question: Mentioned rubbers are way too expensive for what they give me. I thought about them some years ago, but paying 50-60€ for something that helps me play 3% or whatever better and dies out after around 3 months... no thank you.

My only concern here is that the Vego pro doesnt give me punch/countertopspin control over enemy attacks or loops. While i could counterattack, punch-/block loops from a Tenergy 05, i cant do that right now. The ball usually bounces off, with very very little margin for error, and that is really annoying.
Therefore i will most certainly go back to the Vega X which felt more dynamic but still more controlable. A little less speed imo but more spin, which is either way more important for me, because i have enough strength to pull out speed from myself.
So either ill go for your jupiter 3 suggestion or i will play with Vega X for the next year or so.

What do you think of Fastarc G1 or C1? Just curious.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Tonight I had the 1st run out with Jupiter 3, I got mixed up with which blade it is on!! It’s actually on the SDC Primorac clone, and the H8-80 is on the SDC defensive blade.
I started off knocking up with the H8-80/H9 combo on the Stiga Def Pro and then used the J3 on the Primorac Clone, the speed difference between the 2 set ups was very noticeable, the J3 was much faster! Whether this is down to the different blades???
the HZ of the primorac Clone is about 1250Hz the SDC Def about 975Hz
So I need to put the J3 onto one of the SDC Def blades to get a better comparison.

Mind you, it’s unlikely to happen any time soon, the J3 was really good on the Primorac Clone!!!!!
Spin levels seemed very good, throw was lower than RZ, and the speed is good, loops were very good, low and fast
, pushing was solid, lifting back spin took a little time to get use to, because of the lower throw compared to the RZ that I have been using for the last 6-9 months, after bat angle adjustment things improved.

Didn’t have long enough with the J3 to really get to grips with it, slow, high spinny open ups were much harder to achieve, but faster, low more penetrating open ups were a breeze!!
Overall feeling of J3 is harder than H8-80, H9 and RZ/RZ EH
Also had a few issues with FH drive to start with, many in the net, again more time needed to adjust.
For now the J3 is going to stay where it is!! Initial thoughts are that I’ll need to get another 2 sheets to put on a defensive blade!!

J3 is very interesting and a real contender, time will tell regarding durability.

Hopefully over the Xmas period I’ll have a few sessions with the robot and serve practice sessions, I’ll be able to get a better comparison with the other rubbers.

Only minor gripe is that the black sheet has a dull finish to the main centre section and a glossy finish to either side, that’s how it came out of the pack, red sheet is all good!! Dull and glossy feels identical, the glossy section isn’t slippery, just as grippy/sticky as the dull part. Doesn’t seem to affect plying characteristics.

Can you post photo of the red J3? Yinhe red rubbers tend to be very bright and shiny

 

[Michael Zhuang]

Looks like people are starting to find out about my accidental discovery. The speed you are finding in the J3 is not because of the Primorac blade, but actually this rubber is just very fast and powerful.

 

[longle]

Will you get the blue sponge version to test the difference between the normal orange version?

Guess I won't get the blue sponge at the moment because I'm more interested in testing Battle 3

 

[Attitude]

What do you think of Fastarc G1 or C1? Just curious.

Havnt played the c1.
The G1 on the other hand is a pretty good rubber. Especially on fh. I even have a Mima Ito clone setup, which i use for fun or if i get seriously frustrated with the balls and/or location i am playing in.

For bh on the otherhand i wasnt really capable of using it propperly. Too often i tried to flick or loop with it but the ball just fell of as if didnt really hit the ball. That happened way too often for my taste.

Imo though it is not really a good thing if you can play the same rubbers on the same side. Usually it shows you are lacking in something on either side.
The J3 i am using right now on both sides is a pretty good example for that.
​​​​​​Right now i am still testing 41 on fh and 37 on bh but can already say that the lower throw of the J3 as IB66 mentioned is a big issue for my bh. As i can lift almost any shot or push with my fh, that seems to be almost impossible for my bh. I hoped that the softer sponged would give me enough dwell time to adjust but unfortunatly that is not the case. I will still keep testing it this year in some sessions but i highly doubt i can play that rubber on bh on the same level as before