Why do I get so nervous when playing a match?

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if you play to FH, wide FH then the chances are that it’s coming back cross table to your FH, wide FH, you can move into position (or a more advantageous position) without even thinking about it.before they have hit the ball.
Did this a couple of weeks ago at practice, my partner hit a rocket behind my back into the backhand corner I’d just vacated and said “cho”, about three points later she repeated the trick. I’m just pleased we play for the same team in the league!
 
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See the above video I shared? This happens during the first two serves of my first set. I have done these type of serves ( normal pendulum ) thousands of times. And I still blunder them during a tourney.

Why did it happen? It could be for a myriad of reasons and I reckon mine, at that moment was:

1. I drove four hours from where I lived to the tournament venue. I arrived 30 mins prior to game time. After getting the car parked and putting on my gears, I am left with less than ten mins of warm-up time before my name was called.
2. The hall was without air-conditioning and it was already two in the afternoon on a very sunny day. Local humidity is in the 90's percentage ( typical local climate ). When you step into the hall, it is like stepping into an pre-heated oven. It messes with my breathing and one should feel a little breathlessness.
3. Yes I was nervous and not settle in just yet. My hand feeling was just not there.
4. There could be 1,001 other reasons why one is nervous. It is just how our psychology is. The more you play in tournament, the more you become desensitized to this nervousness. This is the only way.
 
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todays match Bruna Takahashi v Jeon Jihee. Takahashi was up 8-4 in the decider and lost 8-11... (missing a serve at 8-8...) a total collapse.

if you want to see another pro choke, this is a good example... it doesn't happen only to us amateurs
 
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todays match Bruna Takahashi v Jeon Jihee. Takahashi was up 8-4 in the decider and lost 8-11... (missing a serve at 8-8...) a total collapse.

if you want to see another pro choke, this is a good example... it doesn't happen only to us amateurs
She was up big in game 4 as well. Will be a tough one for her and coach Hugo.
 
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todays match Bruna Takahashi v Jeon Jihee. Takahashi was up 8-4 in the decider and lost 8-11... (missing a serve at 8-8...) a total collapse.

if you want to see another pro choke, this is a good example... it doesn't happen only to us amateurs
I feel for her, it is a horrible sensation, hopefully she can understand why it happened and respond to it in a better way next time,
 
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See the above video I shared? This happens during the first two serves of my first set. I have done these type of serves ( normal pendulum ) thousands of times. And I still blunder them during a tourney.

Why did it happen? It could be for a myriad of reasons and I reckon mine, at that moment was:

1. I drove four hours from where I lived to the tournament venue. I arrived 30 mins prior to game time. After getting the car parked and putting on my gears, I am left with less than ten mins of warm-up time before my name was called.
2. The hall was without air-conditioning and it was already two in the afternoon on a very sunny day. Local humidity is in the 90's percentage ( typical local climate ). When you step into the hall, it is like stepping into an pre-heated oven. It messes with my breathing and one should feel a little breathlessness.
3. Yes I was nervous and not settle in just yet. My hand feeling was just not there.
4. There could be 1,001 other reasons why one is nervous. It is just how our psychology is. The more you play in tournament, the more you become desensitized to this nervousness. This is the only way.
Yes. Gozo, you were not relaxed, first and largest issue. Second is base serve technique.

You had your bat angle a little too closed and your grip was too tight. SO MANY players do this in matches and fail to control their serves.

Your tightness was your major factor. It prevented you from a fluid stroke, timing, loose muscles/limbs/joints, and loose grip. Being tight prevents all kind of things from happening that you would normally get right.

Much less a factor is the technical side... your serve motion does not result in a fast moving bat at impact, you need to learn the motion(s) to produce a good whip, the TIMING and bat angles.... how to stay relaxed to impact... how to keep bat full open and forward swing for short serve... first landing spot on your side... these can be practiced and become reliable.

I emphasize that the technical is important, but it was not your primary reason your serves in the vid were poor.
COFIDENCE can be an elusive thing. You get it from KNOWING you will make your shot, so you can go for your shot. This stems from SEEING your shot land... preferably, you do this in practice thousands of times and it is instilled in you.... You KNOW you do this shot and own it.
 
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Practicing precise sequences of shots and placements has value. Thr more your practice of the first four balls mimics situations you face in your matches, the more rapid your improvement. That would mean lots of serve and attack practice and lots of serve return and fourth ball practice with deliberately chosen sequences of openings and returns with various placements.
I have emphasized a lot of these elements with LDM7, we both feel similar on this.

Especially from his painful loss in singles in finals, practicing a reliable serve low and light to get a predictable ball to attack and have courage/confidence. That matters late in the match.

LDM7 has seen a lot more success at this in DOUBLES... and initially LDM7 really disliked playing doubles.

Hopefully, LDM7 will see this success in Doubles and get better courage to setup and finish shots he is fully capable of doing.
 
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I feel for her, it is a horrible sensation, hopefully she can understand why it happened and respond to it in a better way next time,
At that level, they are professionals, so things are a bit different. Similar but different, and the difference matters. There are real stakes attached to those matches, and this was an opponent she had never beaten before. This can't be the first time something like this has happened to her.
 
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At that level, they are professionals, so things are a bit different. Similar but different, and the difference matters. There are real stakes attached to those matches, and this was an opponent she had never beaten before. This can't be the first time something like this has happened to her.
It is different, but if she can believe that it isn’t…. Matthew Syed wrote about this approach in his book “Bounce”, chapter 6 I just reread it before posting this (good read, he explores what went wrong for him at the 2000 olympics).
Syed takes my coaches idea of the innate automatic response, and adds an idea of a processed thought out response (that gets in way and is too slow), he says this is the result of your emotional state. He says that if immediately before playing you are able to convince yourself that “it is only TableTennis” the risk of playing badly due to choking can be reduced. He also states that it isn’t easy to do, and it doesn’t always work…
 
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It is different, but if she can believe that it isn’t…. Matthew Syed wrote about this approach in his book “Bounce”, chapter 6 I just reread it before posting this (good read, he explores what went wrong for him at the 2000 olympics).
Syed takes my coaches idea of the innate automatic response, and adds an idea of a processed thought out response (that gets in way and is too slow), he says this is the result of your emotional state. He says that if immediately before playing you are able to convince yourself that “it is only TableTennis” the risk of playing badly due to choking can be reduced. He also states that it isn’t easy to do, and it doesn’t always work…
Oh, everyone knows the Zen, I don't think it changes the tangibility of the situation. Moreover, by definition, she was the worse player, outperforming her usual level, and she did reasonably expect to lose this match. The truth is that it is very easy to tell stories, and as much as I like "Bounce", it is essentially a collection of Syed stories. Sports psychologists wouldn't make money if this stuff didn't often have deeper even if manageable roots. So of course he has to be humble and say it doesn't always work.
 
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It is different, but if she can believe that it isn’t…. Matthew Syed wrote about this approach in his book “Bounce”, chapter 6 I just reread it before posting this (good read, he explores what went wrong for him at the 2000 olympics).
Syed takes my coaches idea of the innate automatic response, and adds an idea of a processed thought out response (that gets in way and is too slow), he says this is the result of your emotional state. He says that if immediately before playing you are able to convince yourself that “it is only TableTennis” the risk of playing badly due to choking can be reduced. He also states that it isn’t easy to do, and it doesn’t always work…

I remember reading Bounce way before I started taking table tennis seriously. Oh how my mind has changed about things.

I've tried that "it is only Table Tennis" line before. Couldn't remember it from the book, but I could never get stuff like that to work for me. It just doesn't matter that it's "only table tennis", in reality, it isn't "only table tennis". It is hours and hours that you've spent out of your life among other things. There are many ways in which we could look at it.

Not so easy to convince yourself that it's just table tennis when you're 9-9 in the fifth in an important team match. It's even harder if your entire identity and career is wrapped up around the sport. Us amateurs have it so easy in many ways.. yet it's still incredibly difficult.
 
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I remember reading Bounce way before I started taking table tennis seriously. Oh how my mind has changed about things.

I've tried that "it is only Table Tennis" line before. Couldn't remember it from the book, but I could never get stuff like that to work for me. It just doesn't matter that it's "only table tennis", in reality, it isn't "only table tennis". It is hours and hours that you've spent out of your life among other things. There are many ways in which we could look at it.

Not so easy to convince yourself that it's just table tennis when you're 9-9 in the fifth in an important team match. It's even harder if your entire identity and career is wrapped up around the sport. Us amateurs have it so easy in many ways.. yet it's still incredibly difficult.
For me, it became easier because I just realized I played better when I was moderately disengaged but concentrated on just playing without caring about the score as nothing other than a result or a strategic input- it started largely in training and flowed over to matches. The thing is that it doesn't always get you what you want when it comes to results, and when results are important, it's very hard to say that you don't care even if the fact that you don't care is what makes you play your best. It's part of the reasons why China has the best players, those guys go through so many selection processes that if you come out on top, it is extremely hard for you to be a choker, because you have played under the pressure of results repeatedly. Of course Lin Gaoyuan exists, but even his "choking" is relative, I can't remember him doing to a clearly worse player other than maybe the insane Noshad Alamiyan match.
 
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For me, it became easier because I just realized I played better when I was moderately disengaged but concentrated on just playing without caring about the score as nothing other than a result or a strategic input- it started largely in training and flowed over to matches. The thing is that it doesn't always get you what you want when it comes to results, and when results are important, it's very hard to say that you don't care even if the fact that you don't care is what makes you play your best. It's part of the reasons why China has the best players, those guys go through so many selection processes that if you come out on top, it is extremely hard for you to be a choker, because you have played under the pressure of results repeatedly. Of course Lin Gaoyuan exists, but even his "choking" is relative, I can't remember him doing to a clearly worse player other than maybe the insane Noshad Alamiyan match.
That's usually how I feel in training. But, because I usually train with the same guys and have relatively limited exposure compared to them, playing others in real matches is quite different for me. I feel like I have to be more focused as I don't know exactly what's coming.

I can really see why I get disappointed in my performance. But it's an unfair comparison to make between training with the same guys over and over to new opponents, some with very different styles.
 
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I think it helps for me that I'm very tunnel visioned. I'm a terrible multi-tasker. Once the game starts, I can't think about anything except for the next point. It's hard enough for me to keep track of scores, let alone think about the implications of winning or losing.
 
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That's usually how I feel in training. But, because I usually train with the same guys and have relatively limited exposure compared to them, playing others in real matches is quite different for me. I feel like I have to be more focused as I don't know exactly what's coming.

I can really see why I get disappointed in my performance. But it's an unfair comparison to make between training with the same guys over and over to new opponents, some with very different styles.
Have no doubt, I am focused, but I have learned to trust my practice. I have accepted that I cannot do reliably any more than what I have practiced (or what my practice has prepared me for) and that many shots I make are more luck than skill. And you are 100% right, you are likely to perform differently in a new environment, a lot comes down to adaptation. If the score works in our favor, we largely are satisfied, if the score doesn't, we complain or get tense. But on the whole, the only thing you can do is learn and adapt at best based on your practice. Beyond that, consciously trying to do better will interfere with what you have trained given the speed of the game. So there is a level of acceptance that comes with understanding as the wise one said, "Do or do not - there is no try." You just do and let yourself adapt or call into mind the goal state and let the points reinforce it over time. Hopefully you adapt quickly enough to get the win, but sometimes you don't. The only thing that is unclear is if complaining makes you adapt faster - that is a personal empirical question to which my answer is no for myself, but I think it could be different for someone else based on their experiences. But for me, even if someone was to show I was wrong and that if I worked on trying harder, I would play better, I decided that the stress was not worth it. I remember when I was borderline 1950 trying to break USATT 2000. I complained for a long time about it to my coach and my coach felt I was already playing at that level, I just lacked confidence in my play. So what did I do? I started driving to play singles leagues on a weekly basis, sometimes once a week, sometimes twice a week. After I broke 2000 in the leagues, I broke 2000 in tournaments a few months later. After breaking it in leagues in fact, I relaxed and saw that it was more or less inevitable that I would break it as long as I continued to play tournaments.

As you can see from my signature, this basic reinforcement via relevant experience approach is basically how I recommend one should approach anything. And don't stress out, try to do it in low stakes environments as much as possible, so that when the high stakes becomes the reality, you are ready.
 
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I think we are all always nervous. I've spoken to my coaches ex-pros a lot about it and ofc they tell me they're (very) nervous. Its about how we deal with it, and about how we control our nervousness better than our opponent. They all have their own "tricks"

for example my current coach says its difficult for him to serve backspin at critical moments, so in money time he just mostly serves knuckle balls. Another one who is a chopper says he always serve short topspin at critical moments because the risk of a net-in return is too high with backspin with a backspin serve and it kills him to lose a point this way at this time of the match. etc...

Regarding "it's just TT tennis" way, it may work for some people. As for me, personally i prefer to take more time between points, breathe deeply and keep saying to myself : "im playing very well", "im gonna win", or focus on somethings like "stay low", "keep a wide stance" or to think about how to play behind my serve or his serve. at all costs i try to avoid negative thinking, such like "i must do this or im gonna lose".

even "if im able to do this, im gonna win" is to be avoided. its rather "im gonna do this AND im gonna win"

its a kind of self-hypnosis. actually i've had some experiences with hypnosis and i know im a very good subject.
i know its helping a lot. not gonna make me win 100% of matches but it is increasing the chances that i can get "into the zone" and/or make me play above my normal level. chooooing is also a (important) part of this.

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There are many other tricks: sing yourself your favorite song between points. contract your arm and/or wrist strongly for a couple seconds and then relax. etc...
 
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I think we are all always nervous. I've spoken to my coaches ex-pros a lot about it and ofc they tell me they're (very) nervous. Its about how we deal with it, and about how we control our nervousness better than our opponent. They all have their own "tricks"

for example my current coach says its difficult for him to serve backspin at critical moments, so in money time he just mostly serves knuckle balls. Another one who is a chopper says he always serve short topspin at critical moments because the risk of a net-in return is too high with backspin with a backspin serve and it kills him to lose a point this way at this time of the match. etc...

Regarding "it's just TT tennis" way, it may work for some people. As for me, personally i prefer to take more time between points, breathe deeply and keep saying to myself : "im playing very well", "im gonna win", or focus on somethings like "stay low", "keep a wide stance" or to think about how to play behind my serve or his serve. at all costs i try to avoid negative thinking, such like "i must do this or im gonna lose".

even "if im able to do this, im gonna win" is to be avoided. its rather "im gonna do this AND im gonna win"

its a kind of self-hypnosis. actually i've had some experiences with hypnosis and i know im a very good subject.
i know its helping a lot. not gonna make me win 100% of matches but it is increasing the chances that i can get "into the zone" and/or make me play above my normal level. chooooing is also a (important) part of this.

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There are many other tricks: sing yourself your favorite song between points. contract your arm and/or wrist strongly for a couple seconds and then relax. etc...
Talking to yourself is very overrated, Breath control is very underrated. It has become a key part of my serve return strategy and it will likely contribute to my overall game.
 
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There's one tip I got on mytt earlier with using the nonracket arm to support the racket during serve receive. I found it allows me to completely relax my playing arm during the receive. It's harder to relax it when it's holding the weight of the racket.

Among the pros I saw Wang Chuqin and Lim Jonghoon doing it too.
 
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Have no doubt, I am focused, but I have learned to trust my practice. I have accepted that I cannot do reliably any more than what I have practiced (or what my practice has prepared me for) and that many shots I make are more luck than skill. And you are 100% right, you are likely to perform differently in a new environment, a lot comes down to adaptation. If the score works in our favor, we largely are satisfied, if the score doesn't, we complain or get tense. But on the whole, the only thing you can do is learn and adapt at best based on your practice. Beyond that, consciously trying to do better will interfere with what you have trained given the speed of the game. So there is a level of acceptance that comes with understanding as the wise one said, "Do or do not - there is no try." You just do and let yourself adapt or call into mind the goal state and let the points reinforce it over time. Hopefully you adapt quickly enough to get the win, but sometimes you don't. The only thing that is unclear is if complaining makes you adapt faster - that is a personal empirical question to which my answer is no for myself, but I think it could be different for someone else based on their experiences. But for me, even if someone was to show I was wrong and that if I worked on trying harder, I would play better, I decided that the stress was not worth it. I remember when I was borderline 1950 trying to break USATT 2000. I complained for a long time about it to my coach and my coach felt I was already playing at that level, I just lacked confidence in my play. So what did I do? I started driving to play singles leagues on a weekly basis, sometimes once a week, sometimes twice a week. After I broke 2000 in the leagues, I broke 2000 in tournaments a few months later. After breaking it in leagues in fact, I relaxed and saw that it was more or less inevitable that I would break it as long as I continued to play tournaments.

As you can see from my signature, this basic reinforcement via relevant experience approach is basically how I recommend one should approach anything. And don't stress out, try to do it in low stakes environments as much as possible, so that when the high stakes becomes the reality, you are ready.
Everything suggests that this is the approach I should take as well. I complain about my own game a lot in real matches. I've been back and forth trying to do something about it. Sometimes I've managed to be totally quiet no matter what, but each time I did that it took a lot of self control. I certainly feel worse when I complain, it isn't worth it. At best it has does nothing, at worst it fueled my opponent to play better.

It believe it will get easier now though, my team and I decided to not play league next season as most of us want a break. I might play some tournaments instead or play in a lower division which is only in the evenings. Then I don't lose an entire day from just playing TT. I haven't played that many tournaments, but when I have I don't feel the same at all as when I play for a team. It just feels much worse to think that you're letting down your team. Though the reality is that people don't care anywhere nearly as much as one thinks.
 
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Its a similar question to that William James, one of the main figures to establish the study of psychology, asked when explaining what psychology is, albeit the form of the question was that of "why we get nervous in front of crowds". I suppose its related to your ego expecting things from you in the eyes of others, and the fear of not answering to those expectations (which are most of the time entirely created in your own mind).

Edit: that being said, alltho I know the theory of it, I have not managed to solve the issue in practice myself.

Edit2: here is a great youtube clip talking about what Ma Long has said about the issue:
 
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