Experience with some other Loki rubbers - Arthur China, GTX Pro (inc)

[turbozed]

Nope, I draw the line on Blue/Pink :>, but seriously I was only looking for a faster alternative to H3N for the FH and was not really interested in Loki's other offerings after the initial research. I'm happy with non-tacky ESN or Hammond Z2 for my BH.

I'm actually using the Blue as a FH rubber even though I originally wanted to use it as a BH based on WRM recommendation. It's quite hard at 52d on the durometer.

I'll be back in California later next month so maybe you can try it out yourself. Cheers

 

[hclnnkhg]

I'm actually using the Blue as a FH rubber even though I originally wanted to use it as a BH based on WRM recommendation. It's quite hard at 52d on the durometer.

I'll be back in California later next month so maybe you can try it out yourself. Cheers

I think that's a good move from Loki. Most coloured rubbers seem to be designed for backhand use. If only they specify the sponge hardness on package instead of labelling everything "hard" or "very hard"...

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I think that's a good move from Loki. Most coloured rubbers seem to be designed for backhand use. If only they specify the sponge hardness on package instead of labelling everything "hard" or "very hard"...

	Shore C	Shore A
RXTON I	39	43
RXTON I Special	39	44
RXTON III	39	45
RXTON III pink/blue	40	48
RXTON V	41	49
ARTHUR CHINA	41	50
RXTON I Plus	39	45

 

[TensorBackhand]

Today I tested out Jupiter 3 39d and Glayzer 09c on the same blade. I would say for 95% of shots, they are very similar in performance and role. Only on the top 5% of powerful shots does the Jupiter 3 have a little more potential.

So in that sense, Jupiter 3 is quite similar to Loki GTX. I'm guessing Loki Arthur China is also quite similar to GTX.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Today I tested out Jupiter 3 39d and Glayzer 09c on the same blade. I would say for 95% of shots, they are very similar in performance and role. Only on the top 5% of powerful shots does the Jupiter 3 have a little more potential.

So in that sense, Jupiter 3 is quite similar to Loki GTX. I'm guessing Loki Arthur China is also quite similar to GTX.

J3 and G09C 95% the same, and other 5% J3 is better?

I'm sure 99.99% of the users out there will disagree with you

If I copy and paste your message to Yinhe, I'm sure they will disagree with you too.
J3 must be 100% better than G09C on all ends lol

 

[TensorBackhand]

J3 and G09C 95% the same, and other 5% J3 is better?

I'm sure 99.99% of the users out there will disagree with you

If I copy and paste your message to Yinhe, I'm sure they will disagree with you too.
J3 must be 100% better than G09C on all ends lol

Well that's perfectly fine if other people try both rubbers on the same blade and disagree with me. It's just my personal opinion.

But there have been a ton of reviews out on G09c by now, and most have not been overly positive. Many people cite the lack of top-end power, which is exactly the same point I am making. So I don't see any inconsistency there.

But you go ahead and try both rubbers on the same blade, and if you find G09c to be better, feel free to express your opinion. I am just expressing my findings for anybody that finds it useful.

 

[TensorBackhand]

I actually really hope some more people give Loki GTX a try. I played a match with the GTX today after not playing a match with it in months. I easily won 3-0 against a 1900 player. I honestly can't think of many or even any rubber that I would want to play with on the FH over the GTX. If I had to win a single match to save my child's life and I could choose any rubber, GTX just might be the rubber that I would have to choose. It has great power and spin and a amazing sense of control.

But the issue is, this result is only achieved with combination of baby oil and booster. Without booster, it is quite hard and stiff, but with booster it is very fast and powerful. But with only booster, it has a very strange feeling and terrible control. With some baby oil, it instantly changes the rubber and gives fantastic control. I know that sounds bizarre and I haven't ever seen another rubber like GTX.

 

[Attitude]

I actually really hope some more people give Loki GTX a try. I played a match with the GTX today after not playing a match with it in months. I easily won 3-0 against a 1900 player. I honestly can't think of many or even any rubber that I would want to play with on the FH over the GTX. If I had to win a single match to save my child's life and I could choose any rubber, GTX just might be the rubber that I would have to choose. It has great power and spin and a amazing sense of control.

But the issue is, this result is only achieved with combination of baby oil and booster. Without booster, it is quite hard and stiff, but with booster it is very fast and powerful. But with only booster, it has a very strange feeling and terrible control. With some baby oil, it instantly changes the rubber and gives fantastic control. I know that sounds bizarre and I haven't ever seen another rubber like GTX.

That alone is a huge difference to LAC for example. No need to boost that one.

And i actually cant agree, that the GTX feels around the same as LAC. It is boosted kind of similar to J3 but not at all similar to LAC. J3 and GTX both have a quite flat arc and a low to medium throw angle.
LAC is more dynamic and with a higher arc and overall better spin capabilities.

Cant argue about the rest, because i havent and wont play glayzer rubber and somewhat agree to your booster statements. GTX felt more dead than even H3^^

 

[hclnnkhg]

I actually really hope some more people give Loki GTX a try. I played a match with the GTX today after not playing a match with it in months. I easily won 3-0 against a 1900 player. I honestly can't think of many or even any rubber that I would want to play with on the FH over the GTX. If I had to win a single match to save my child's life and I could choose any rubber, GTX just might be the rubber that I would have to choose. It has great power and spin and a amazing sense of control.

But the issue is, this result is only achieved with combination of baby oil and booster. Without booster, it is quite hard and stiff, but with booster it is very fast and powerful. But with only booster, it has a very strange feeling and terrible control. With some baby oil, it instantly changes the rubber and gives fantastic control. I know that sounds bizarre and I haven't ever seen another rubber like GTX.

Personally I am really against rubbers that only play well with booster. If the manufacturer can't make a good rubber that can play well unboosted, at least don't be lazy and have it factory tuned.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Well that's perfectly fine if other people try both rubbers on the same blade and disagree with me. It's just my personal opinion.

But there have been a ton of reviews out on G09c by now, and most have not been overly positive. Many people cite the lack of top-end power, which is exactly the same point I am making. So I don't see any inconsistency there.

But you go ahead and try both rubbers on the same blade, and if you find G09c to be better, feel free to express your opinion. I am just expressing my findings for anybody that finds it useful.

funny how that high level players like G09C quite a lot.
maybe they can do something that lower level can't?
or do you suggest the higher level try out J3, and maybe they can start beating the Chinese with it?

 

[mattlamperouge]

funny how that high level players like G09C quite a lot.
maybe they can do something that lower level can't?
or do you suggest the higher level try out J3, and maybe they can start beating the Chinese with it?

Do you have experience with the G09c Tony? Keeping the talk about Loki rubbers, Maybe when you have time to test and Review the upcoming rxton 7 & 9 samples you can compare them with it, i know the Loki agent Said that rxton 7 Is similar to D09c but maybe a comparison with G09c Is More realistic / appropiate (dont know rxton 7 hardness though)

 

[Attitude]

funny how that high level players like G09C quite a lot.
maybe they can do something that lower level can't?
or do you suggest the higher level try out J3, and maybe they can start beating the Chinese with it?

Ehm, to be fair, he didnt say anything that ridiculious. He explicitly talked about his level of play and a bit above is usual level.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Ehm, to be fair, he didnt say anything that ridiculious. He explicitly talked about his level of play and a bit above is usual level.

Do you have experience with the G09c Tony? Keeping the talk about Loki rubbers, Maybe when you have time to test and Review the upcoming rxton 7 & 9 samples you can compare them with it, i know the Loki agent Said that rxton 7 Is similar to D09c but maybe a comparison with G09c Is More realistic / appropiate (dont know rxton 7 hardness though)

oh, my apologies
I read D and not G

But if talking Glayzer 09C
Glayzer is selling really well in Asia
I recall reading that Butterfly sales is up by almost 50% and credits to Glayzer.
i'm didn't read further to see if there was just the normal or 09C factor or both. If I have time, I can dig, but I do understand what happens in Japan or Asia, could be very different to the rest of the world. The Asia market is a lot more mature, and player level is also way higher in terms of the average uncle or aunty that will show up in the park/center.

My circle of players, the boys would use D09C or T05H when comes to Butterfly. The girls won't use them (other than the Butterfly sponsored, which is still more T than D)
G is more for amateurs, so I don't think any of the players that I can come across with in my circles (and other schools etc) would be using it.

I have not use Glayzer yet. And have no interest to. If one of the players use it, I will sure to try it out.
I will test maybe the new rxton from the summer holiday training camp (start 5 july).

My Loki rep is off sick, I will reconnect with her, and maybe we can chat once I have more info.
Other than that, the Blue and Pink are selling very well in South Africa.
I do not foresee the H3 clones to be big sellers, since SA is not a Chinese style market and the softer feel of Blue/Pink is very welcome.
I am eager to find out how the Loki HQ testing has went and if there are plans for the release of R7 and R9.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Personally I am really against rubbers that only play well with booster. If the manufacturer can't make a good rubber that can play well unboosted, at least don't be lazy and have it factory tuned.

Haha, I dont blame you, but thats the whole story with H3. But GTX reaction to booster is far stronger than H3 reaction.

So which rubbers are your favorite that dont need booster

 

[TensorBackhand]

That alone is a huge difference to LAC for example. No need to boost that one.

And i actually cant agree, that the GTX feels around the same as LAC. It is boosted kind of similar to J3 but not at all similar to LAC. J3 and GTX both have a quite flat arc and a low to medium throw angle.
LAC is more dynamic and with a higher arc and overall better spin capabilities.

Cant argue about the rest, because i havent and wont play glayzer rubber and somewhat agree to your booster statements. GTX felt more dead than even H3^^

Well I cant argue about the throw angle because I havent tried LAC yet. But like I said, I highly doubt that I wont like LAC.

 

[TensorBackhand]

funny how that high level players like G09C quite a lot.
maybe they can do something that lower level can't?
or do you suggest the higher level try out J3, and maybe they can start beating the Chinese with it?

Well I havent seen many people who love Glayzer 09c. There are 2 separate threads on TTD on it and Dan recently did a review of it. Most of the reviews are not very positive. If you know of a positive review, feel free to share.

In my opinion, which is only based off of my own testing, which is subject to change if I discover something new, most offensive FH loopers would prefer GTX or Jupiter 3 over G09c for the extra hardness and power potential. If you test them both on the same blade, the former 2 provide a little more power.

I never mentioned anything about beating Chinese.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Do you have experience with the G09c Tony? Keeping the talk about Loki rubbers, Maybe when you have time to test and Review the upcoming rxton 7 & 9 samples you can compare them with it, i know the Loki agent Said that rxton 7 Is similar to D09c but maybe a comparison with G09c Is More realistic / appropiate (dont know rxton 7 hardness though)

Hey Matt,

Can you ask the Loki agent about LAC and GTX? I personally think GTX is very similar to D09c.

So if they say rxton 7 is similar to D09c, im wondering what they think of LAC and GTX

 

[longle]

Got my sheet of LAC today, the quality of the rubber is really good, although the packaging is ugly haha. I glued it unboosted and will try it tomorrow. I don't expect it surpasses my Battle 2 National but let's see how a 17$ rubber performs

 

[mattlamperouge]

Hey Matt,

Can you ask the Loki agent about LAC and GTX? I personally think GTX is very similar to D09c.

So if they say rxton 7 is similar to D09c, im wondering what they think of LAC and GTX

Sure i will ask them their opinion, i cant promise you a detailed answer but i will report whatever they tell me 💪🏻🏓

 

[TensorBackhand]

Got my sheet of LAC today, the quality of the rubber is really good, although the packaging is ugly haha. I glued it unboosted and will try it tomorrow. I don't expect it surpasses my Battle 2 National but let's see how a 17$ rubber performs

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Let me know how it plays. I forgot, did you also play with Jupiter 3? Maybe you can compare the 2.

I'm really looking forward to playing with LAC. Problem is I have still many rubbers on backlog to play through.

And I keep getting delayed because I keep remembering how good my old rubbers like Jupiter 3 and GTX are so I go back to those from time to time.