I wanna play with the big boys!

[blahness]

No question that LP is an advantage at the amateur level. Obviously people who haven't practiced against LP are going to be untrained and unprepared, by definition. Those who say LP is not an advantage at the amateur level are just being snobby.

At the higher level, say 2200 and above, LP starts to lose its benefit at those advanced players are more practiced and trained.

Also, never question ERT's expertise! Jk

It never loses its benefits, as long as the LP players level up to incorporate even nastier strokes. One of the combination penholders I talk about has wins over some national level players here in Australia lol....and he is old af!

More ppl use inverted because it's what made the sport cool in the first place - the beauty of heavy spin.

 

[blahness]

It's not all about winning/losing but about uncool/unfun ways to win based on equipment hacks. For eg I do well against deceptive pips, but it doesn't mean I don't think their existence is a blight on the sport.

It's like for eg if Starcraft became a game where the cheesers won most of the time with some 3 min wins with the same strats all the time, the game would become unpopular among players. This is why the game developers tweaked the balance to favour more macro play styles to make mechanical skills much more of a factor.

 

[blahness]

Off topic of level up to play the 1500's a bit

Is the first guy really an amateur like everyone here? I honestly would say no sorry. Just because of the forehand and stroke level. It's obvious hopefully..... I think they will have played at a high level at some stage to be playing against these type of players.. both pips to pips which is also interesting but I bet he causes a ton of problems for normal inverted players.

I bet he has has some amazing wins as well with a rocket forehand like that. That forehand is pretty close to if not worldclass. He must be known is China really well on the playing circuit ..no?

The first guys forehand is very special and I'm sure i've seen a video of him playing somewhere before years back?. It's such a strange style I'm sure I've seen it before...

LP aren't an advantage as is... I would never trivialize the skill and hours to work and master that skill in a match are. Backed up by the weapons to put the point away...... as is the ability to play against LP at the level everyone plays at. Like anything try and put your strongest weapon against their weakest. If it's hard to work out keep training until it sinks in or get some coaching/help to put together a solid plan.


How many players have any of us played with firepower like that in a real match?.


Good videos mind.

He is still a rank amateur and shouldn't be winning (and even destroying) a world class professional lol. This can only happen in the sport of table tennis. You will never hear of pro badminton players ever losing to rank amateurs ever - this is how fair the sport is.

Sure LP players have worked hard on their game - still it doesn't take away from the fact that their game is ugly af and uncool and unfair. If TT was mainly pipsters playing no one would wanna take it up as an actual legitimate sport.

 

[blahness]

Take a pair of identical twin 62 year old smooth rubber 1300 players. They play the same amount every week, same club, same partners, equally motivated to improve, etc. We switch one of them to long pips. Who gets to 1500+ first?

I think the heavy favorite is the long pips guy, even though he'd probably get worse before he gets better. Fewer unforced errors on serve receive being the decisive factor (as usual in tt).

Yes, fully agree with it.

If OP developed some nasty serves, and put some long pips on his BH, he would get to 1500 in no time lol.... No need to train any topspins for that xD

 

[NextLevel]

He is still a rank amateur and shouldn't be winning (and even destroying) a world class professional lol. This can only happen in the sport of table tennis. You will never hear of pro badminton players ever losing to rank amateurs ever - this is how fair the sport is.

Sure LP players have worked hard on their game - still it doesn't take away from the fact that their game is ugly af and uncool and unfair. If TT was mainly pipsters playing no one would wanna take it up as an actual legitimate sport.

It has very little to do with LP per se, and like I said, you never stated what his training hours were or what his tournament victories were. Similar things happen in sports like golf, chess etc. all the time - there are players who play lot of hours but never were professionals for one reason or another who display a very high level. There is very little reason it can't happen in any sport other than that usually the hours you need to put into a sport usually mean you have to make money at it, but that's the part you need to share even when you speak about badminton. You keep conveniently using the ERT approach ("He is a rank amateur") - then you find out that he used to beat Ma Long as junior or represented his province before retiring or something like that which you will never state to continue to push your narrative.

 

[NextLevel]

He is still a rank amateur and shouldn't be winning (and even destroying) a world class professional lol. This can only happen in the sport of table tennis. You will never hear of pro badminton players ever losing to rank amateurs ever - this is how fair the sport is.

Sure LP players have worked hard on their game - still it doesn't take away from the fact that their game is ugly af and uncool and unfair. If TT was mainly pipsters playing no one would wanna take it up as an actual legitimate sport.

Hardbat is a sport that when you play it, long pips has hardly any advantage when introduced into the mix of hardbat. A lot of people enjoy hard bat table tennis. There is definitely spin, it just isn't extreme. Give that some thought.

 

[Ghostzen]

He is still a rank amateur and shouldn't be winning (and even destroying) a world class professional lol. This can only happen in the sport of table tennis. You will never hear of pro badminton players ever losing to rank amateurs ever - this is how fair the sport is.

Sure LP players have worked hard on their game - still it doesn't take away from the fact that their game is ugly af and uncool and unfair. If TT was mainly pipsters playing no one would wanna take it up as an actual legitimate sport.

This "rank amateur" has some outstanding wins doesn't he? I remember the events he's played in now.. Multiple world class players wins over multiple events. Isn't he well known in China for this amazing style...

 

[NextLevel]

This "rank amateur" has some outstanding wins doesn't he? I remember the events he's played in now.. Multiple world class players wins over multiple events. Isn't he well known in China for this amazing style...

It is all because of the long pips!

 

[blahness]

Hardbat is a sport that when you play it, long pips has hardly any advantage when introduced into the mix of hardbat. A lot of people enjoy hard bat table tennis. There is definitely spin, it just isn't extreme. Give that some thought.

TT is just not the same without spectacular loopkills (especially around the net which happens maybe once or twice in a night always) and the associated outrageous blocks, loop to loop battles, C shaped chiquita winners, etc...

Even the cat and mouse short game with inverted is vastly more enjoyable.

 

[NextLevel]

For the record, here is another Chinese "rank amateur".

 

[blahness]

For the record, here is another Chinese "rank amateur".

This doesn't really count because he had a 3 point handicap, and Zhu Yi used to be Xu Xin's team mate......

 

[NextLevel]

TT is just not the same without spectacular loopkills (especially around the net which happens maybe once or twice in a night always) and the associated outrageous blocks, loop to loop battles, C shaped chiquita winners, etc...

Even the cat and mouse short game with inverted is vastly more enjoyable.

Yes, definitely not the same, without those things, it is one of the most popular sports in the world. Food for thought.

 

[NextLevel]

This doesn't really count because he had a 3 point handicap, and Zhu Yi used to be Xu Xin's team mate......

But he is a "rank amateur" - your not knowing similar things about other people and focusing on their use of LP makes my point. You have no clue what their background is, but just want to focus on their amateur status.

 

[blahness]

But he is a "rank amateur" - your not knowing similar things about other people and focusing on their use of LP makes my point. You have no clue what their background is, but just want to focus on their amateur status.

Fact is, he only had 1 point handicap against Chen Weixing for a few of the games and still easily destroyed Chen. Zhu Yi wouldn't have won against Ovtcharov without the handicaps.

But maybe it's cool that amateurs can teach the pros a thing or two lol...
This guy had some insane LP BH strawberry strokes, way before it got popularised in the inverted world?

 

[NextLevel]

Fact is, he only had 1 point handicap against Chen Weixing for a few of the games and still easily destroyed Chen. Zhu Yi wouldn't have won against Ovtcharov without the handicaps.

But maybe it's cool that amateurs can teach the pros a thing or two lol...
This guy had some insane LP BH strawberry strokes, way before it got popularised in the inverted world?

Chen Weixeng is an over the hill 45+ year old (not sure when the match was played). Same with He Zhi Wen. Dima was world #1. Maybe you should consider that in your analysis (but I get it, pro is pro and rank amateur is rank amateur).

But all we hear is about the long pips... and still nothing about the training regimen or backgrounds of the users of the pips!

 

[Ghostzen]

These players are really not rank amateur players are they honestly? Whatever spin that's put on it. The ability to compete at that level even with the slight handicap system they were using is outstanding. If the forum is expected to believe this there's a credibility issue occurring. I'll believe some things but on this issue of rank amateur beating world class players. My suspension of disbelief will stay very grounded. Wonderful fairytale but I can't side with it.

 

[Ghostzen]

Any update on FF33 who posted the topic btw?

 

[blahness]

Chen Weixeng is an over the hill 45+ year old (not sure when the match was played). Same with He Zhi Wen. Dima was world #1. Maybe you should consider that in your analysis (but I get it, pro is pro and rank amateur is rank amateur).

But all we hear is about the long pips... and still nothing about the training regimen or backgrounds of the users of the pips!

Lol ok you've got a point there. I think Zhu Yi is also the highest ranked amateur in China, most of the CNT B/C team can't beat him. He is even higher level than the long pips guy who destroyed Chen Weixing. I think he even got a set off Ma Long in a no handicap match which is one of the highest honours ever.

However, from an aesthetic point of view, Zhu Yi is playing some really beautiful table tennis compared with the other long pips guy.

 

[hclnnkhg]

"Aesthetic", "fun", "beautiful", "unpleasant", "cool" ...not sure if there is any actual discussion going on.

 

[blahness]

Any update on FF33 who posted the topic btw?

He just posted a new EJ thread 😆