Eugene vs 2200 player

[NextLevel]

What happens when Eugene tries to win every point vs a roughly USATT 2200 player...

 

[dingyibvs]

What happens when Eugene tries to win every point vs a roughly USATT 2200 player...

I don't think either player was trying. If I were the 2200 guy I'd def try though, why not see how your shot quality fares against a 2700+ guy?

 

[NextLevel]

I don't think either player was trying. If I were the 2200 guy I'd def try though, why not see how your shot quality fares against a 2700+ guy?

Oh, you can watch the whole match, he definitely was trying. I have played Eugene before and trying doesn't really matter against certain kinds of players (Eugene has a very variation and mental effing style that you can keep respectable only if you play at a high/fast mental level), if Eugene doesn't want you to hit the ball, you probably won't hit the ball, and you may be trying really hard to hit it too! And if he lets you hit the ball, it is probably dead or loaded, you have to figure out which.

 

[turbozed]

Pretty much what you'd expect from a guy that took a game off of Ma Long in WTT play

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

What happens when Eugene tries to win every point vs a roughly USATT 2200 player...

Not to mention, Eugene wasn't even really trying.....

I think this is a very good example on how people often think they are higher than they really are.
If Eugene was fooling around and letting the other guy get 6 points, then this guy "could think", he is a 2200, but on a good day, can peak to a 2400~2500, since he got 6 points off a 2750 player.

However, I would say, a 2500 could even 11-0 a 2200 player in reality, or under 3.
just like a 2750 could 11-0 or under 3 a 2500 player.
That is how much a "10%" gap is in terms of a numerical rating.

 

[TensorBackhand]

Not to mention, Eugene wasn't even really trying.....

I think this is a very good example on how people often think they are higher than they really are.
If Eugene was fooling around and letting the other guy get 6 points, then this guy "could think", he is a 2200, but on a good day, can peak to a 2400~2500, since he got 6 points off a 2750 player.

However, I would say, a 2500 could even 11-0 a 2200 player in reality, or under 3.
just like a 2750 could 11-0 or under 3 a 2500 player.
That is how much a "10%" gap is in terms of a numerical rating.

There's a 1800 guy I often play. I fairly often win 11-0 because we are so familiar, and his style plays into my style.

But against other players, he sometimes gets 3-0 on 1800 guys or gets to 2-3 against 2000 guys.

 

[TensorBackhand]

What happens when Eugene tries to win every point vs a roughly USATT 2200 player...

Is this event in China? just going by the writing on the wall

Why is he playing somebody so much lower than him. It's interesting to see the huge different in shot quality between a 2700 level player, and 2000 guys who we see much more commonly. We're talking about the difference between top 2% of players vs the top 0.1% of players.

 

[Gozo Zyreruna]

What happens when Eugene tries to win every point vs a roughly USATT 2200 player...

I just want to say that I want calves like Eugene's.

 

[NextLevel]

Is this event in China? just going by the writing on the wall

Why is he playing somebody so much lower than him. It's interesting to see the huge different in shot quality between a 2700 level player, and 2000 guys who we see much more commonly. We're talking about the difference between top 2% of players vs the top 0.1% of players.

Canada.

 

[longle]

the 2200 guy seems about my level. I know his feelings when facing a much higher levels player, their balls have much more quality and consistency that disrupt our rhythm and we lose by making unforced errors by ourselves

 

[TensorBackhand]

the 2200 guy seems about my level. I know his feelings when facing a much higher levels player, their balls have much more quality and consistency that disrupt our rhythm and we lose by making unforced errors by ourselves

What is the big difference between 1900 player (about where I am now) and 2100-2200 player?

I'm asking because I want to know the biggest areas to work on next.

 

[NextLevel]

Not to mention, Eugene wasn't even really trying.....

I think this is a very good example on how people often think they are higher than they really are.
If Eugene was fooling around and letting the other guy get 6 points, then this guy "could think", he is a 2200, but on a good day, can peak to a 2400~2500, since he got 6 points off a 2750 player.

However, I would say, a 2500 could even 11-0 a 2200 player in reality, or under 3.
just like a 2750 could 11-0 or under 3 a 2500 player.
That is how much a "10%" gap is in terms of a numerical rating.

Some of it is style based but I hear you. It is hard to know how much these world class guys don't miss unless you play them. But it was interesting to see Eugene consistently loop lill the ball at will when he wanted to do so without really trying. And then able to just serve to the guy and consistently get a miss or a popup. Definitely 6 or 7 sigma principle in full effect.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

There's a 1800 guy I often play. I fairly often win 11-0 because we are so familiar, and his style plays into my style.

But against other players, he sometimes gets 3-0 on 1800 guys or gets to 2-3 against 2000 guys.

1800 can 11-0 another 1800...
I would say there is something wrong with one of the players levels.

1800 should have enough basics to be able to not throw 11 points away, against any style, unless, it is just say an inflated rating due to only playing a "comfort" style opponent, and "zero" exposure to all other styles. Hence one of the players level is "inflated"

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Some of it is style based but I hear you. It is hard to know how much these world class guys don't miss unless you play them. But it was interesting to see Eugene consistently loop lill the ball at will when he wanted to do so without really trying. And then able to just serve to the guy and consistently get a miss or a popup. Definitely 6 or 7 sigma principle in full effect.

yeah, style does come into the equation, but barely if both players are well trained.
10% is just a big gap
25% is way bigger

It is like a 3000 to 2500 player
it would be a walk over, unless that 2500 can rise 10% and the 3000 dip 10% during the actual match and then you have a close contest.

 

[vvk1]

There is nothing surprising here. Eugene is a pro, Zakria is an amateur - what other result would you expect.

P.S.: For those who like watching mere mortals getting slaughtered by infinitely better players (ex/current national team level, etc), my YT channel has a playlist "Amateur vs Pro"

 

[dingyibvs]

Oh, you can watch the whole match, he definitely was trying. I have played Eugene before and trying doesn't really matter against certain kinds of players (Eugene has a very variation and mental effing style that you can keep respectable only if you play at a high/fast mental level), if Eugene doesn't want you to hit the ball, you probably won't hit the ball, and you may be trying really hard to hit it too! And if he lets you hit the ball, it is probably dead or loaded, you have to figure out which.

I didn't know there was more to the video since you linked the last set, but he does seem to be trying in the beginning. Eugene was never trying though.

 

[longle]

What is the big difference between 1900 player (about where I am now) and 2100-2200 player?

I'm asking because I want to know the biggest areas to work on next.

I guess the most noticeable element is footwork and the attacking form. lower level players have less stable forms so higher level players can put difficult balls to break them. 1900 players I think can hit 3rd ball fine, but after 4th and 5th ball they starts to lose consistency

 

[SlowPower]

Eugene looks like an amateur when playing in wtt- those gaps between people are just amazing!

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Eugene looks like an amateur when playing in wtt- those gaps between people are just amazing!

when he was 10~15 years younger (he is 38 now) and maybe 20% lighter, he doesn't look like an amateur.
His highest world rank was around 50 or so - a very respectable number.
barely in mind, he is one of those that didn't make the cut in China and still made it to the Olympics (3 times)

 

[NextLevel]

I didn't know there was more to the video since you linked the last set, but he does seem to be trying in the beginning. Eugene was never trying though.

Of course Eugene was never trying, but if you watch Eugene, this is his style, you have to hit a certain level of speed and consistency to make him look like he is trying, if you can't even return the serve, what is the point?