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when he was 10~15 years younger (he is 38 now) and maybe 20% lighter, he doesn't look like an amateur.
His highest world rank was around 50 or so - a very respectable number.
barely in mind, he is one of those that didn't make the cut in China and still made it to the Olympics (3 times)
Nah, Eugene has always had a lazy looking style, it takes a high level player to bring out his best game. Even when he was younger, he looked a lot like this, though what younger means is relative.
 
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yeah, style does come into the equation, but barely if both players are well trained.
10% is just a big gap
25% is way bigger

It is like a 3000 to 2500 player
it would be a walk over, unless that 2500 can rise 10% and the 3000 dip 10% during the actual match and then you have a close contest.
Agreed, I stil ln remember Hao Shuai coming for NA Teams in 2013, and it was the first time I saw 2500 players unable to return serves as if they were 1600 players.
 
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What is the big difference between 1900 player (about where I am now) and 2100-2200 player?

I'm asking because I want to know the biggest areas to work on next.
Canadian 1900 is not the same as US 1900, Canadian 1900 might be really 2000‐2100 USATT.
 
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when he was 10~15 years younger (he is 38 now) and maybe 20% lighter, he doesn't look like an amateur.
His highest world rank was around 50 or so - a very respectable number.
barely in mind, he is one of those that didn't make the cut in China and still made it to the Olympics (3 times)

This ranking numbers don't mean much. You know this.
 
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Agreed, I stil ln remember Hao Shuai coming for NA Teams in 2013, and it was the first time I saw 2500 players unable to return serves as if they were 1600 players.
Only a few exception, otherwise most would struggle like what you saw.
Barely in mind, many of these players who come to the US and everywhere else, are "drop outs" within the CNT or Chinese provincial system.
and now you have a Hao Shaui who was top 5 or 8 within the same system that the immigrant player failed.
2500 isn't that high, and 2600 also isn't that high and there sure isn't too many 2700, as evidence on how many can really beat Kou Lei.

I got a message few months ago, where a club was looking to "hire" (fly in) someone to beat Kou Lei.... well, Japanese did just that :p.
 
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Nah, Eugene has always had a lazy looking style, it takes a high level player to bring out his best game. Even when he was younger, he looked a lot like this, though what younger means is relative.
I'm not talking about his "lazy style"
he is so much slower now and I can only think of reasons attributing to his age and physical condition. I won't believe he is still fast and choose to be slow on grounds of laziness (PS. my response was to someone who said Eugene looks like an amateur in WTT - meaning this past 3 years and not the lower rated player in OP)
 
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I'm not talking about his "lazy style"
he is so much slower now and I can only think of reasons attributing to his age and physical condition. I won't believe he is still fast and choose to be slow on grounds of laziness (PS. my response was to someone who said Eugene looks like an amateur in WTT - meaning this past 3 years and not the lower rated player in OP)
He is slower now, but he has always been a touch player relative to his level. Eugene has dominated NA for over a decade and a half, virtually all the time I have watched TT, you have to make him play physical to see his physical, he wants to junk you to death.
 
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Only a few exception, otherwise most would struggle like what you saw.
Barely in mind, many of these players who come to the US and everywhere else, are "drop outs" within the CNT or Chinese provincial system.
and now you have a Hao Shaui who was top 5 or 8 within the same system that the immigrant player failed.
2500 isn't that high, and 2600 also isn't that high and there sure isn't too many 2700, as evidence on how many can really beat Kou Lei.

I got a message few months ago, where a club was looking to "hire" (fly in) someone to beat Kou Lei.... well, Japanese did just that :p.
The Japanese guy did it in best of 5 and he couldn't beat Ma Jinbao, it would have been interesting in best of 7.
 
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Not trying would be just pushing and blocking.
Eugene was trying.
The reason he won 11-1 in the third is not because he wanted to but because he was more warmed up and comfortable with the game of his opponent....who was also more demoralized at this point.
Trying is a relative term. But I agree with you on some point. He missed a shot in the first game that he made in the third game, but he also took many aggressive shots that he didn't have to take and I am not entirely sure he would have taken those shots against a better player either with the same ball quality, but that is debatable. I just want to drive discussion.
 
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I guess the most noticeable element is footwork and the attacking form. lower level players have less stable forms so higher level players can put difficult balls to break them. 1900 players I think can hit 3rd ball fine, but after 4th and 5th ball they starts to lose consistency
Good point. My follow up shot after opening loop is not always consistent, and i dont know why.

Just my rhythm and smoothness isnt flowing
 
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for most of Eugene's playing career, (which isn't this new inflated method), his rank is pretty much fair and not inflated. You should know this


Maybe I wrong but I never seen him beat someone from top 100 on any ITTF or WTT tournaments, not talking to beat someone higher then he
 
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Maybe I wrong but I never seen him beat someone from top 100 on any ITTF or WTT tournaments, not talking to beat someone higher then he
Fang Bo should be around WR10 or so back in 2015 when Eugene beat him.
I'm sure there is also wins over Gao Ning (another Top 20 player) - google search says in 2012

google search also seems to indicated there are also wins against Robles, Wang Yang,

ITTF has closed its stats section, so I can't really do a quick check there, but to stated that under the old ranking where a WR50 player doesn't have wins against WR100 players is really... "not knowing how the old system works".
 
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Okay, managed to get onto ITTF stats
and wow, Eugene has a lot more wins against top 50 or top 100 players than I thought.
Obviously, I don't remember who is in what WR from say 2012 ~ 2016, but there are many famous names, so Eugene did have some good wins in his younger career.
38 year old old man... maybe can't be a Boll today, but still had a good career outside of China
 
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Good point. My follow up shot after opening loop is not always consistent, and i dont know why.

Just my rhythm and smoothness isnt flowing
Hi TB,

That is a very good thing to examine.

Could be a number of things going on...

Maybe you forgot exactly what spin / how much you put on the ball... so many aggressive OFF players do this vs pips players and get themselves in trouble...

Maybe your recovery stance after a good opener isn't as good as you think... maybe upright, not on balance, maybe feet position.

Maybe your opener had too long a back swing and follow through making it damned difficult to recover properly.

Maybe on recovery you dropped your bat too low and now the ball is too high and your swing plane is now terminally jacked up.

Maybe you did not discern a tiny move of the opponent bat that totally changed or added spin... and now when the ball bouncs it is not what you expected... and now you are not in perfect position and leverage... you attempt another strong shot and now you in big trouble.

Maybe you did not discern the speed of incoming ball.. and now you way too far in front without leverage.
So many things could be going on and not always the same one.

maybe you do not move your feet well enough... or maybe set the wrong foot position after 1st opener...

You can look at video footage of yourself and you should be able to self-examine and a lot of what is happening.

The camera does not lie if it is set to capture and see everything.
 
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Fang Bo should be around WR10 or so back in 2015 when Eugene beat him.
I'm sure there is also wins over Gao Ning (another Top 20 player) - google search says in 2012

google search also seems to indicated there are also wins against Robles, Wang Yang,

ITTF has closed its stats section, so I can't really do a quick check there, but to stated that under the old ranking where a WR50 player doesn't have wins against WR100 players is really... "not knowing how the old system works".
Wow, a win over Fang Bo is no joke. So he really is world class level in his prime.

Who are the best 5 former Chinese players around the world today? Wang Zhen, Ma Jinbao, Kou Lei, would they be top 3?

And why does it seem like they are all in North America? Why is North America the hotspot for Chinese players who didn't quite make the CNT?
 
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Maybe I wrong but I never seen him beat someone from top 100 on any ITTF or WTT tournaments, not talking to beat someone higher then he
Because you don't watch (enough) table tennis. This guy was the best table tennis player in the Americas for a while, he used to either win or come second in the US Open almost every year even with all those German and Japanese people coming in. Old ITTF rules didn't let him play for Canada other than Olympics events and qualifiers, but even when Kanak was the top American, everyone knew he really had a debatable chance against Eugene - Eugene was the legit 2800+ player in NA for a long time, even the Jia A guys they brought directly from China almost never beat him, they just gave him a run for his money.
 
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Okay, managed to get onto ITTF stats
and wow, Eugene has a lot more wins against top 50 or top 100 players than I thought.
Obviously, I don't remember who is in what WR from say 2012 ~ 2016, but there are many famous names, so Eugene did have some good wins in his younger career.
38 year old old man... maybe can't be a Boll today, but still had a good career outside of China
He used to play in French League as well, he is probably somewhere in Europe playing and training this year, anyone who acts like Eugene wasn't a top player who just couldn't play for Canada in the kinds of ITTF events that would have made him famous is not really serious, if he had been able to get full Canada status earlier, he might have had a higher world ranking. There was even a year that I think he almost won Panamerican games, Hugo barely beat him.
 
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