WTT Champions Frankfurt 2024

[PoppaChubby]

I still remember chatting with Taiwan's junior coach
saying, little Felix, messing around with cpen, first opinion was, what the heck? and our players beating him very comfortably
and then covid came and went, no body played against Felix for 2 years and Felix become a top senior player within a year.

Gauzy went from no1 to no3 in that same time...

imagine, Hugo, HT, LYJ or who ever, who have 2 kids just come out of no where and overtake you as the countries number 1.
not just push to no 2, but to no 3....
that is really tough.

I wasn't aware of Gauzy mental issues, but he is a top player that got stuck in the 20~30, and I thought with new ranking, it should of been easier for him to be higher ranked.

if Gauzy was 5 year younger and mentally healthy, and can get into top 15... imagine France with Felix at top 5, Alexis at top 10 and Gauzy at top 15.
This would be a dream for any country, unmatched by Germany, Taiwan, Japan, Korea.

Maybe if he is mentally healthy today, he can still be top 15

I still remember chatting with Taiwan's junior coach
saying, little Felix, messing around with cpen, first opinion was, what the heck? and our players beating him very comfortably
and then covid came and went, no body played against Felix for 2 years and Felix become a top senior player within a year.

Gauzy went from no1 to no3 in that same time...

imagine, Hugo, HT, LYJ or who ever, who have 2 kids just come out of no where and overtake you as the countries number 1.
not just push to no 2, but to no 3....
that is really tough.

I wasn't aware of Gauzy mental issues, but he is a top player that got stuck in the 20~30, and I thought with new ranking, it should of been easier for him to be higher ranked.

if Gauzy was 5 year younger and mentally healthy, and can get into top 15... imagine France with Felix at top 5, Alexis at top 10 and Gauzy at top 15.
This would be a dream for any country, unmatched by Germany, Taiwan, Japan, Korea.

Maybe if he is mentally healthy today, he can still be top 15

More or less at that same time the Bros have been doing camps in Japan, with Flavien Coton being a U11 still. They were looking at Tomo training like hell at 15, with puppy eyes lol

 

[ThePongCommenter]

It is true, and I suggest you should read this before just saying "it's not true" without giving us any source

Simon Gauzy, victime d'un burn-out : « J'ai eu une extinction complète »

Avant d'aborder les Championnats du monde individuels qui débutent ce samedi à Durban, en Afrique du sud (en direct sur L'Équipe live jusqu'au 28 mai), Simon Gauzy (28 ans), désormais n°3 français, s'est confié sur le burn-out qui l'a tenu éloigné de la table pendant plusieurs semaines, à...

www-lequipe-fr.translate.goog

Ok so you are saying he does more core strengthening than the rest of the squad. As for whether he trains way harder than the rest of the squad on the table, he doesn't, and my sources are players who have been their teammates or trained with them.

 

[PoppaChubby]

Maybe something lost in translation but generally when people say "he trains way harder than the rest of the squad" they aren't referring to doing more core strengthening. As for whether he trains way harder than the rest of the squad on the table, he doesn't, and my sources are players who have been their teammates or trained with them.

Blah blah blah, that's too easy man, no source shown = no fact checking possible = fake news. You're only pushing your opinion, not facts. Who are those guys ? name them if it's that true !

 

[Metaxa]

Quadri played a fantastic match, Harimoto didn't choke, he just needs to continue to take more risks with his style and stop trusting his defensive skills so much. In table tennis, the best defense is hood offense.

Harimoto lost the match at 12/12 in the fourth set. Then he made a tactical error by first giving a very good diagonal serve (he almost surprised Aruna) only to top spin back diagonally. Had he opted for a parallel/straight shot here the match could have gone to him. If there were statistics, I would say that Harimoto is one of the players who plays the game diagonally far too much instead of regularly playing balls parallel.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Blah blah blah, that's too easy man, no source shown = no fact checking possible = fake news. You're only pushing your opinion, not facts. Who are those guys ? name them if it's that true !

Lol. Ok. Gauzy works harder on the table than the guys who shot up from irrelevant to world beaters in 2 years. You got me. I just made up fake news so that PoppaChubby from TTD would believe me.

 

[mikeytt]

great match between alexis and lin yunju

 

[NextLevel]

great match between alexis and lin yunju

Yes, #2 for me after Quadri Harimoto. But I am clearly biased lol.

 

[zeio]

A best-form Alexis (after a lackluster 2023) was still not enough to get past a fretful LYJ (for much of 2024) here.

 

[NextLevel]

Ok I can't let you say those kind of bullshit, Gauzy's motivation can't be questionable, he trains way harder than everyone in the France's squad, his physicality is above the Bros who always praise his hours of core strengthening, I mean can you do splits on rallies ? BH around the net shots on the FH side ? but this very demanding type of physical playing leads to injuries, we all know that, Alexis knows that too.

He's always been very sincere about his mental condition: he's suffered from burn-out some years ago, and yes it was partly about the Lebrun's uprising, but also because he wanted to capitalise on the good Tokyo OG he made and he literally burnt himself at this game playing too much. He just adapted himself to the new material cos' he was an allwood blade aficionado.

For fck sake, how many europeans in the top10 can claim they've beaten Xu Xin in one of the Grand Slam event with an all wood blade ? NONE

We all have our failures, Simon Gauzy is not the best euro player and he knows it, all he wants now is having fun and to serve Team France the best he can. Doing the double duties in Paris is the proof he adapted to the situation, the best double is the Lebrun Bros, but to keep Felix at the 1st place right after the double match he does the double with Alexis and that's not the best combination for France, and still... he fights his arse off, like he did with Alexis vs Japan for the bronze medal match. Manu only have 1 big win on the international stage, with no asian in there in single events, remember that. To keep Felix fresh in singles event even his bro Alexis adapted to the situation by playing the XD with Yuan Jianan.

And that's also the proof that Han Hua has terribly failed to push France to the heights it deserves, that's why Gilles Erb has succeeded to be the FFTT president, but remember: he's been elected on ashes in december 2020, when the Bros were still training in their parents basement, in the pandemic. Erb has been very lucky, and he knows it, and he's capitalized on this by firing Han Hua and naming Jean-Nicolas Barelier as the new DTN, and then by bringing up the Team Lebrun up to the Direction Technique Nationale with Nathanael Molin as the new captain of the men's team. He had to make Patrick Chila understand it was the right thing to do, we're talking about Chila here, an OG bronze medalist in doubles ! one of the french musketeers of the 90's era ! the guys who was coaching... Simon Gauzy when he defeated Xu Xin !

All I can say is grow up, Gauzy's motivations are not questionable in any moreal senae of the word. They are exactly what many top players deal with when deciding where to take their game. Nothing you have said is anything new or important. Truls beat Wang Chuqin and then won the silver medal. Gauzy bear Xu Xin then lost to Falck. That is all I need to say. The win should have been an opening for Gauzy to to Europe, but he ended up losing to a player that had shown no really high level of play before that in singles.

But I will go further. If Lebruns had not shown up, where would Gauzy be? This is not about who you like about about performance. He would still be top of France, and largely without amy medals in Europe. Gauzy is a good player. Almost had a World Cup bronze in 2017 . But no one should say that he has always competed well with better players but has bad luck as some career narrative.

If Gauzy did not play doubles with Alexis, who seriously believes France could not have found a good partner for Alexis? Let's stop making sentimental arguments here and stick with the facts. Gauzy was overtaken and only finally started doing the things with his game he should have taken on years ago. That is not a bad thing, it is the way life works for most of us. Without a kick in the butt, we struggle to find new heights to ascend to.

 

[NextLevel]

well, he isn't a top non Chinese imo.
he is a very good player, but can't finish off.
he is good enough to take world top 3s and 5s into deuces, and loose, or loose by 2 if we can put it that way.
so he isn't even a top European for that matter.

honestly speaking, what turbozed had claimed (that you disagreed with), there is probably no other player like Gauzy that is so good, so close, but been doing that most of his career (if you went to check stats, you can see for yourself)




if any, your few claims, especially the non-competitive with Chinese is totally wrong. He is one of the most competitive against Chinese for more matches than not.

I would say, if it wasn't for Harimoto and LYJ wins against Chinese, Gauzy probably average more points against Chinese than many top non Chinese players. But we talking top 10 player (more consistent results) versus 30 (loosing too earlier in tournaments).

Gauzy was only a top 10 player for 4 months, he should of been there for way longer - hence I said, it is such a pity. He is that good!

So turbozed is right and I agree with the statement of "ultimately loses a close match - Seems like a consistent headline for much of Gauzy's career"

You guys are making it sound like Gauzy losing these recent matches is about his playing level. Gauzy is a perennial top 20 player if you use ELO, let us not use new ITTF rankings to make bad arguments, let us not confuse the new rankings. He has lost a ot of matches to all kinds of players. Making it should like he plays well but has bad luck is selective memory.

Gauzy was a top European player until the arrival of the Lebruns and the limit they place on international and continental appearances by a single country. It is weird how history is getting rewritten now. Without the Lebruns, he would still be playing all these top events and be ranked higher. He has periods of going down in ranking but that should not be confused with his playing level. And he generally loses to the players he is supposed to lose to with the usual randomness here and there.

 

[NextLevel]

well, he isn't a top non Chinese imo.
he is a very good player, but can't finish off.
he is good enough to take world top 3s and 5s into deuces, and loose, or loose by 2 if we can put it that way.
so he isn't even a top European for that matter.

honestly speaking, what turbozed had claimed (that you disagreed with), there is probably no other player like Gauzy that is so good, so close, but been doing that most of his career (if you went to check stats, you can see for yourself)




if any, your few claims, especially the non-competitive with Chinese is totally wrong. He is one of the most competitive against Chinese for more matches than not.

I would say, if it wasn't for Harimoto and LYJ wins against Chinese, Gauzy probably average more points against Chinese than many top non Chinese players. But we talking top 10 player (more consistent results) versus 30 (loosing too earlier in tournaments).

Gauzy was only a top 10 player for 4 months, he should of been there for way longer - hence I said, it is such a pity. He is that good!

So turbozed is right and I agree with the statement of "ultimately loses a close match - Seems like a consistent headline for much of Gauzy's career"

Can you please list this long list of close calls that Gauzy has supposedly had throughout his career, especially against Chinese opposition?

 

[NextLevel]

Jeon Jihee looks way past Zeio retirement...

 

[NetProphet]

If you have watched or hung around top players, you will know they are all capable of real brilliance and their consistency in bringing quality is what separates them at every level.

I already know this, it's why I wrote what I wrote about him, cos he so often looks like he could do more but flatters to deceive. Maybe it applies to many players but it certainly applies to him also

The main question here is not whether Gauzy is a good player.

Nobody said it is

The question here is whether turbozed created a narrative that truly describes Gauzy's career

Yes and you're selling him short.
Was a point or 2 from being 2-1 up V Felix yesterday and he has been in those situations so often in his career.
He was as high ranked as 8 at one stage.

For someone like me who even if not playing TT that long but who started following the tour seriously in 2011, Gauzy is one of the players I have followed from top junior to current status. I just don't get the description from turbozed as a career description.

Fair enough. But "Simon Gauzy tests much higher rated opponent while making highlight reel shots but utlimately loses a close match" is hardly far away either. Can agree to disagree I suppose!

Gauzy has always had decent technique, but he has also often prioritized having a small form over finishing power on the forehand side.

The risk taking in recent times and the surge in prominence was clearly a result of the fact that the Lebruns made it difficult to keep a spot on the Olympic team and also exposed themselves to him in practice. So it was no longer about trying to sit on a No 1 spot, it was now about fighting to play Olympic singles even though he ultimately came up short. But other than that, Gauzy's game is more or less what it has always been, just executed a bit more emphatically now because he has internal

Yup. The LeBruns was either the kick in the arse he needed or perhaps the needed spark on a damp Table Tennis landscape in France as it was for much of his time.
Whatever the reason be it's great to see him trying a bit harder than has been in recent times. Great entertainment!

 

[zeio]

Jeon Jihee looks way past Zeio retirement...

Well, it doesn't help that she managed to get on the wrong side of Prince's Mom after ATTC 2024 for saying Oh Junsung is a nice kid with good manners...

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Can you please list this long list of close calls that Gauzy has supposedly had throughout his career, especially against Chinese opposition?

Apparently losing by 2-3 points in some games in a loss means the match was close. Apparently losing 3,11,9 to WCQ and 12,6,9 to his longtime friend, teammate and training partner Hugo are considered some of these close calls lol.

By this logic, in just the last half year Lin Yun Ju has nearly lost to Groth, Pitchford, Manush Shah, Achanta, WCT, and Sathiyan. I guess that means that LYJs career can be characterized by nearly losing to middling and aging veterans lol.

 

[NetProphet]

Apparently losing by 2-3 points in some games in a loss means the match was close. Apparently losing 3,11,9 to WCQ and 12,6,9 to his longtime friend, teammate and training partner Hugo are considered some of these close calls lol.

By this logic, in just the last half year Lin Yun Ju has nearly lost to Groth, Pitchford, Manush Shah, Achanta, WCT, and Sathiyan. I guess that means that LYJs career can be characterized by nearly losing to middling and aging veterans lol.

If you watched the match last night, at 10-10 in the 3rd and having won the previous set, Gauzy was so close to taking the lead. He looked capable of it and if he'd done it, it had the makings of an upset.
So no, not sarcastically choosing to make it seem ridiculous, but looking at statement ("Simon Gauzy tests much higher rated opponent while making highlight reel shots but utlimately loses a close match") immediately after experiencing the match and remembering this experience with Gauzy many times before - it makes perfect sense.
While you deliberately exaggerate and misconstrue things for your amusement I'll laugh along too.
Reading the score of last night's match as 1-3 it doesn't look close but if you actually watched it then you can see the point clearly

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Was a point or 2 from being 2-1 up V Felix yesterday and he has been in those situations so often in his career.

And he didn't win that point or two, didn't go up 2-1, and didn't win the match. So how close was it really? Most table tennis players and fans should know that not all points are created equally, and that scorelines of a match don't tell the full story.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

If you watched the match last night, at 10-10 in the 3rd and having won the previous set, Gauzy was so close to taking the lead. He looked capable of it and if he'd done it, it had the makings of an upset.
So no, not sarcastically choosing to make it seem ridiculous, but looking at statement ("Simon Gauzy tests much higher rated opponent while making highlight reel shots but utlimately loses a close match") immediately after experiencing the match and remembering this experience with Gauzy many times before - it makes perfect sense.
While you deliberately exaggerate and misconstrue things for your amusement I'll laugh along too.
Reading the score of last night's match as 1-3 it doesn't look close but if you actually watched it then you can see the point clearly

Nobody is debating that Gauzy is in better form, though probably too little too late, in 2024. Do you have many more examples of this spanning the last ten years of his career, which is what was originally stated by turbozed?

 

[NetProphet]

Can you please list this long list of close calls that Gauzy has supposedly had throughout his career, especially against Chinese opposition?

Who said close calls? Maybe someone else did but I think you're reading it as if it's being alleged that Gauzy has been unlucky to loose a spare of finals in his career.
I can't see anyone saying he was that good.
What I picked up Mon and what made immediate sense to me was after watching last night, where he's hammered in the 1st set, he picks himself back up and against arguably the most form player in the world now, goes a point away from a 2-1 lead. It looks like a possible upset.
It didn't happen obviously, as is the story of his career and no, he hasn't beaten many too players or converted enough of those chances but reading the comment then, made sense to me as I remember him so often flattering to deceive playing some magnificent stuff to give himself that chance.
The nitty gritty of where he stands in the overall scheme of things during his career we don't disagree on.
And if you and see something else in last nights match then fair enough, maybe our ideas of a possible upset are different 🤷

 

[NextLevel]

I already know this, it's why I wrote what I wrote about him, cos he so often looks like he could do more but flatters to deceive. Maybe it applies to many players but it certainly applies to him also

Nobody said it is

Yes and you're selling him short.
Was a point or 2 from being 2-1 up V Felix yesterday and he has been in those situations so often in his career.
He was as high ranked as 8 at one stage.

Fair enough. But "Simon Gauzy tests much higher rated opponent while making highlight reel shots but utlimately loses a close match" is hardly far away either. Can agree to disagree I suppose!

Yup. The LeBruns was either the kick in the arse he needed or perhaps the needed spark on a damp Table Tennis landscape in France as it was for much of his time.
Whatever the reason be it's great to see him trying a bit harder than has been in recent times. Great entertainment!

So where is your list of the situations that he has supposedly had that I am not remembering because my memory is poor?