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2024 Chinese Super League roster is out
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If he performs, he will get his chance. My point is that if he was seriously better, it would.be showing up in many places. He wouldn't lose to Xu Xin either lol.
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Even if he stopped playing internationally I don’t think he will stop playing nationally for a few more years like Xu Xin, Yan An, etc..
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Does Shandong Luneng even have a chance to make it into the top 4?
edit: no
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and FZD shouldn't be loosing to XYB either.
XY also almost beaten LSD
the ball is round.
There is a difference mentally when you are team number 1, or team number 10
its more healthy when you know you are team number 1 and have all the support and resource behind you.
I am amazed you don't understand this logic, as you have followed CNT for a long time.
There is a reason why so many who left, can do so well overseas.
Opportunity to shine is probably one of the reasons.
or who knows, CNT force you to loose against your teammates, or risk being an outcast like Chen Meng?
we will never know how bad the working environment is when wearing the CNT uniform.
PS. There has also been players that shined in CTTSL, but has no value in CNT
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when was it when a 40 year old chopper (who retired from CNT for years) won the chinese national championships.... lol
I guess in teams event, XX will always have an edge. There is more time to rest and its only best out of 5s
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A few comments and a couple questions. I have been watching a few random matches here and there.
It is good to see Xu Xin back at the table! He is so much fun to watch!
Compared to the younger players, it does look like Xu Xin's style of playing is more old school: further away from the table, huge looping motion and using his forehand 80% of the time. I did notice that in a couple of the matches I watched, Xu Xin's RPB was not so stable and it often drops into the net. I guess he needs to practice more but since he is not playing internationally, he has other priorities in his life.
Do we know if Xu Xin is using his own line of rubber? What other players use Xu Xin's line of rubber?
The match between Lin Shidong and Liang Jingkun was incredible. Liang Jingkun was playing at a very high level but yet Lin Shidong seemed to be able to turn it on and off whenever he wanted to and Liang Jingkun had no answers for him.
The replay showed how effortless Lin Shidong seemed to be when he unleashed his backhand. On slow replay, it is because he is relaxed in between strokes and explodes on the backhand side with quick, compact stroke and that's why it looks so effortless. By contrast, Liang Jingkun already played really well but when you compare them side by side, in that head-to-head match, Lin Shidong clearly was one level above Liang Jingkun. Compared to Lin Shidong, Liang Jingkun just looked "slow" (to me, Liang Jingkun is super fast but Lin Shidong is simply faster by quite a bit) and looks "tight" in the rallies (Lin Shidong made the rallies look so easy. He looked relaxed. His timing in the rallies was perfect. He could explode on either forehand or backhand easily and still dictate the rallies along the way. Liang Jingkun was just not at the same level).
At the end of the match, like the commentator said, Lin Shidong took a couple careless shots but he closed out the match with zero problem.
It is good to see Xu Xin back at the table! He is so much fun to watch!
Compared to the younger players, it does look like Xu Xin's style of playing is more old school: further away from the table, huge looping motion and using his forehand 80% of the time. I did notice that in a couple of the matches I watched, Xu Xin's RPB was not so stable and it often drops into the net. I guess he needs to practice more but since he is not playing internationally, he has other priorities in his life.
Do we know if Xu Xin is using his own line of rubber? What other players use Xu Xin's line of rubber?
The match between Lin Shidong and Liang Jingkun was incredible. Liang Jingkun was playing at a very high level but yet Lin Shidong seemed to be able to turn it on and off whenever he wanted to and Liang Jingkun had no answers for him.
The replay showed how effortless Lin Shidong seemed to be when he unleashed his backhand. On slow replay, it is because he is relaxed in between strokes and explodes on the backhand side with quick, compact stroke and that's why it looks so effortless. By contrast, Liang Jingkun already played really well but when you compare them side by side, in that head-to-head match, Lin Shidong clearly was one level above Liang Jingkun. Compared to Lin Shidong, Liang Jingkun just looked "slow" (to me, Liang Jingkun is super fast but Lin Shidong is simply faster by quite a bit) and looks "tight" in the rallies (Lin Shidong made the rallies look so easy. He looked relaxed. His timing in the rallies was perfect. He could explode on either forehand or backhand easily and still dictate the rallies along the way. Liang Jingkun was just not at the same level).
At the end of the match, like the commentator said, Lin Shidong took a couple careless shots but he closed out the match with zero problem.
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Yes.
Huang Yan-Cheng and Xu Yingbin
supposedly blade and fh rubber for both (I am sure of HYC)
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FZD already can do what he wants, his need to prove himself in non-critical matches is minimal. He picks and chooses his spots. He obviously didn't want to lose but it doesn't change anything for him. That's why the Chinese don't make decisions based on one match.
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yes, and no matter what XYB does, he is already too old like piligrim said.
XYB will never be groomed to be the next Olympian, and we all know that is one of the disadvantages of CNT
I still remember there was a season where ZY did so well, but that doesn't equates to more internationals for him.
and with what happened to Chen Meng, we all know favoritism still plays a huge role in terms of cnt, just like how it was in the 90s
so these out of favor guys, should just go and do their business for teams that cherish them
including Chen Meng
the tt world doesn't evolve around cnt, and european leagues are great places to allow players to have freedom favoritism
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What exactly happened to Chen Meng?
You are always given a chance to prove your level. Age is never a part of it beyond logic. If Xu Yingbin starts beating everyone today including foreigners, he will make the team. Nothing to do with age or favoritism.
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you will find out soon enough
Really? No favoritism in CNT? that is new to me
okay, lets see when XYB becomes a core player.
IMO he was never good enough when in junior. So I really don't have too high expectations for him.
surprised he made it that far already, but have to give him created for having played something like 16 or 18 matches and only loosing 1 in Pro A 2023/2024 season, i'm sure he is more cherished in his French club than just being a 2nd tier CNT player that can't even get to 8 international events this year. and if it wasn't for China hosting 3 of the 7 events, I doubt he would have played 7 events too in 2024.
Maybe he starts winning more, and CNT coaches makes him a core player... or maybe he will just age as 2nd string.
He does need more league matches though and French Pro A is near half way mark and he is only 0 matches.
I have no idea why he can't play in Nov to Dec in Pro A, his last international was Oct.
Surely you need someone to have the player at heart to manage him, and not someone managing the team at heart and players just need to make way for the "greater good".
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Okay. It seems what happened to Chen Meng happens to most players when they turn 30. Nothing to write home about unless you explain how it ties into something other than rumors.you will find out soon enough
Really? No favoritism in CNT? that is new to me
okay, lets see when XYB becomes a core player.
IMO he was never good enough when in junior. So I really don't have too high expectations for him.
surprised he made it that far already, but have to give him created for having played something like 16 or 18 matches and only loosing 1 in Pro A 2023/2024 season, i'm sure he is more cherished in his French club than just being a 2nd tier CNT player that can't even get to 8 international events this year. and if it wasn't for China hosting 3 of the 7 events, I doubt he would have played 7 events too in 2024.
Maybe he starts winning more, and CNT coaches makes him a core player... or maybe he will just age as 2nd string.
He does need more league matches though and French Pro A is near half way mark and he is only 0 matches.
I have no idea why he can't play in Nov to Dec in Pro A, his last international was Oct.
Surely you need someone to have the player at heart to manage him, and not someone managing the team at heart and players just need to make way for the "greater good".
My point about favoritism is simply that if he performs he will play. He was given wildcards at China Smash and a Star Contender in China last year. They are giving him chances to outperform despite his age. The same was given to Zhou Qihao as well. You just get more chances when you are younger. And the truth is that regardless some players don't have it. You seem to believe he doesn't have it. Yet you make it sound like favoritism is why he isn't playing.
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Cheng Hsien-Tzu deputing in the super league with a 3-0 victory (she had played plenty of Jia A over the years)
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Ironically, Xu Xin doesn’t use his own blade anymore, went back to Stiga, at least he uses his rubber tho(?)
I am suprised you guys call Xu Yingbin too old. Lin Gaoyuan and Liang Jingkun had their breakthrough at 22 and 23.
Xu Yingbin will likely not become as dominant as Wang Chuqin or Fan Zhendong. But nevertheless early to late 20s is the peak age where „the best of the rest“ can somewhat keep up with the CNT Superstar players (currently these are Wang Chuqin, Lin Shidong and Fan Zhendong).
I think Xiang Peng is more likely to overtake lin Gaoyuan and Liang Jingkun. But I could see Xu Yingbin do well. The biggest problem is, that only top 5 really benefit of their ranking.
Xu Yingbin will likely not become as dominant as Wang Chuqin or Fan Zhendong. But nevertheless early to late 20s is the peak age where „the best of the rest“ can somewhat keep up with the CNT Superstar players (currently these are Wang Chuqin, Lin Shidong and Fan Zhendong).
I think Xiang Peng is more likely to overtake lin Gaoyuan and Liang Jingkun. But I could see Xu Yingbin do well. The biggest problem is, that only top 5 really benefit of their ranking.
True. His Main Problem is definitely going to be the amount of up- and coming players with Chen Yuanyu, Huang Youzheng and Wen Ruibo.
I do think, that the CNT is sharing investment fairly equally besides their main prospects. Li Hechen could become one of them as he already gets special treatments in U15. But he is more likely to jump onto the main team when Liang Jingkun gets too old. Most younger mentioned players will probably not get heavy investments since Lin Shidong is already up there. But as I said, only 4-6 players will get the chance to play Main Events.
3 Spots are taken already by Fan Zhendong, Lin Shidong and Wang Chuqin. For the next year Liang Jingkun is also safe due to current WR.
That makes Xu Yingbin competing with 3 very strong u20 youngsters, Xiang Peng and probably still Lin Gaoyuan for at most 2 spots on the A-Team in 2025 (Ma Longs spot, and currently Lin Gaoyuan is in defense)
If we take a look at the January line ups for WTT. Exactly this race is now on. CNT sends
Xiang Peng, Xu Yingbin, Chen Yuanyu, Huang Youzheng, Wen Ruibo
along with Zhou Qihao (who also might still make the team for 1 or 2 years but imo rather unlikely)
Whoever is getting above Lin Gaoyuan and into the top 10 first is going to be the winner of this race. As soon as someone reaches the necessary seeding, it will be very hard for others to take his place. The high seeding for Top 10 players not only opens up easier routes to points in main events it also allows access in general, while other players will more often be restricted due to NER, and if they do get a Wild Card, the draw can still be critical.
Lin Gaoyuan has the head start with his seeding but is in my opinion too shaky at the moment so he might still drop out in 2025.
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I think XYB has 1 to 2 years to make the cut.
and the chance is slim.
LGY is lucky to still be there, he benefited form the weak depth, else he should of long been outcast too.
WCQ, FZD, LSD is taking 3 of the 5 spots
LGY surely needs to retire (now I sound like zeio talking haha)
maybe LJK could still stay on another year or two.
and there is 1 spot open for a youngster.
LJK will go soon, so another youngster.
So future of CNT mens for now to 2027, maybe only 1 to 2 youngsters can join
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