Boosting Hurricane 3

[Lazer]

Could this be explained by the rapid absorption of the oil and slow evaporation of it ?

Almost any liquid agent you put on it will be absorbed quickly but most without any expansion. A chemical reaction is necessary. And oil almost doesn’t evaporate at all or at least too slow to explain this…

Cheers
L-zr

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Conehead]

But do believe this reaction is generating gas.

Well, you may believe it, I surely not.

The evidence (not prof though) is the relatively rapid expansion followed by a (less rapid) retraction.

This is no evidence of gas creation. The rapid expansion can also be explained by fast absorption.

Also the fact that the initial characteristics wear off relatively rapidly (~one week)…

This not evidence of a change of the chemical structure. Change of initial characteristics can be caused by physical changes, e.g. liquid water/solid ice. Both is H2O but characteristics are different.

 

[Conehead]

Could this be explained by the rapid absorption of the oil and slow evaporation of it ?

Yep

 

[Conehead]

A chemical reaction is necessary.

No, sorry. Really not.
Please explain why the colours stay when a rubber is boosted and a chemical reaction occurs.

We turn in circles so I let you stay with your misbelief. But, if you are stating things like these, you should look at the whole picture and be able to explain observations or at least quote from somewhere where you got the knowledge.

 

[Lazer]

No, sorry. Really not.
Please explain why the colours stay when a rubber is boosted and a chemical reaction occurs.

We turn in circles so I let you stay with your misbelief. But, if you are stating things like these, you should look at the whole picture and be able to explain observations or at least quote from somewhere where you got the knowledge.

One easy way to determine this would be to weigh the rubber immediately after the boosting and after the retraction and compare the result…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Der_Echte]

Brokenballzy sez all of U are so WRONG.

 

[Tyce]

One easy way to determine this would be to weigh the rubber immediately after the boosting and after the retraction and compare the result…

Cheers
L-zr

This will only tell you the combined weight of the rubber and the absorbed booster, and yield no evidence of a chemical reaction.

 

[Conehead]

Plus, chemical reactions always go hand in hand with decomposition of the impacted materials.

 

[Lazer]

This will only tell you the combined weight of the rubber and the absorbed booster, and yield no evidence of a chemical reaction.

If there is a difference it tells you that gas is produced.

Originanal rubber + booster
vs
Rubber + booster - leaked gas.

But you would need a scientific grade scale for this.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Tyce]

Plus, chemical reactions always go hand in hand with decomposition of the impacted materials.

Sure, but an argument could be made that the decomposition would be minimal and badly visible.

I do think the whole reaction is as simple as you propose:

You slather the oil on the sponge
Sponge absorbs, and by definition *has* to expand because material has been taken in
Internal air pockets will get less space, thus have more pressure inside
The expansion of the sponge itself is what causes the curling effect
... And my theory is that this stretches the topsheet and completing the stretch is what makes the dome go back down.

Why not evaporation? Because the result is an enlarged sheet of rubber and sponge.

The result is, quite literally, a tensioned topsheet, as well as an enlarged sponge and more pressure in the air pockets.

The air pressure will fade quickly, but the tension in the topsheet will remain as long as the sponge is enlarged.

The composition of the sponge will become softer (but still elastic) simply due to absorbing liquid.

If the liquid gets worked out of the sponge, it will be measurable. I don't know if there are tests done in that area, even if common sense does tell me that there will be some evaporation.
A good experiment would be to weigh a cut sheet before boosting and after boosting, apply using a glue sheet for minimal disturbance, play it until the effect seems to be worn off, take off the sheet and weigh it again.

 

[Conehead]

If there is a difference it tells you that gas is produced.

Originanal rubber + booster
vs
Rubber + booster - leaked gas.

And how exactly would you factor in natural evaporation of the booster?

 

[Lazer]

And how exactly would you factor in natural evaporation of the booster?

Oil evaporates very slowly.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Conehead]

Correct, but it still evaporates.

If you manage to measure a difference between before and after, you still don't know what has caused the difference.

 

[Conehead]

Sure, but an argument could be made that the decomposition would be minimal and badly visible.

Yes, could be.

And why would the colours still stay as is? Is it not that the colours of rubber and sponge don't change even after months of repeatedly boosting?

 

[Lazer]

Correct, but it still evaporates.

If you manage to measure a difference between before and after, you still don't know what has caused the difference.

You can make a measurement in bea container on the side how much oil evaporates…

To have any effect there must be a chemical reaction. if you want to call it fast absorption, then I call it chemical absorption. You think it is a physical absorption, but there is a difference in how other boosters compared to Chinese boosters effect. That’s where the chemical reaction comes in.

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Conehead]

There is nothing such as "chemical absorption".

If you boost with baby oil, do you also think that there is a chemical reaction with the sponge?

 

[Lazer]

Let me look it up for you

Absorption (chemistry) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Conehead]

Thanks. I wasn't aware of that.

What about my question for you re the baby oil?

 

[Lazer]

Thanks. I wasn't aware of that.

What about my question for you re the baby oil?

It doesn’t contain the same agent as haifu boosters. Therefore not the same reaction…

Cheers
L-zr

 

[Conehead]

It doesn’t contain the same agent as haifu boosters.

I think so, too, but as you don't know what exactly Haifu contains, I guess, you cannot make any conclusions re its chemical reactivity, no?

To me Haifu contains something which just supports the longer stay of the rubber softness and as Haifu is thicker the Haifu oil doesn't evaporate so fast compared to baby oil. That basically is it.