WTT Singapore Smash 2025 (30 Jan ~ 9 Feb 2025)

[Brs]

exactly, but I see you are always in form.

Maybe Sali is really ZYL posting in disguise as a Polish man. The retirement/unretirement dates match!

 

[NextLevel]

Training with Lin works for him.

And Dima. Don't forget Dima.

 

[Janard]

Chances of ZYL playing Ito seems rather slim in this tournament but that will be interesting

 

[turbozed]

Hana Goda continues to play puzzling table tennis. After getting trounced 11-1 in the first game, she goes on to win the next game. Second time in a few months I've seen this happen.

Then loses 11-1 again in 3rd game, and comes back to fight a hard 4th game losing 10-12.

Don't think I've ever seen a girl with such wildly varying performance in the same match. Hope she figures out how to keep those throwaway games under control in the future.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Training with Lin works for him.

Do you mean LYJ? Where does Kao train with Lin?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Hana Goda continues to play puzzling table tennis. After getting trounced 11-1 in the first game, she goes on to win the next game. Second time in a few months I've seen this happen.

Then loses 11-1 again in 3rd game, and comes back to fight a hard 4th game losing 10-12.

Don't think I've ever seen a girl with such wildly varying performance in the same match. Hope she figures out how to keep those throwaway games under control in the future.

Not entirely related to your comment but her mentality is mature beyond her years.

 

[NextLevel]

Hana Goda continues to play puzzling table tennis. After getting trounced 11-1 in the first game, she goes on to win the next game. Second time in a few months I've seen this happen.

Then loses 11-1 again in 3rd game, and comes back to fight a hard 4th game losing 10-12.

Don't think I've ever seen a girl with such wildly varying performance in the same match. Hope she figures out how to keep those throwaway games under control in the future.

Sometimes, something about the side of the table (not necessarily physical) makes a difference. Maybe being able to see her coach

 

[Vlad Celler]

Chances of ZYL playing Ito seems rather slim in this tournament but that will be interesting

If I remember correctly, ZYL, as they say, has a big grudge against Mima Ito...

 

[turbozed]

Not entirely related to your comment but her mentality is mature beyond her years.

100%. I had to go back and find what game I saw her get her mentality back after a rough game, and it was against He Zhuojia at Champions Frankfurt.

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/wtt-champions-frankfurt-2024.35630/post-490643

In that match, she was actually down 2 horrible games at 11-2 and 11-1, but still went on to win the 3rd game. Amazing ability to focus and not dwell on the past.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Do you mean LYJ? Where does Kao train with Lin?

Kao doesn't train with LYJ
they train in 2 different cities in Taiwan, and each have they own practice partners when on tour.
maybe people think LYJ and Kao travel together, so they train together...

Kao also no longer involved wtih CCY (in fact, for more than half of last year already)

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Kao doesn't train with LYJ
they train in 2 different cities in Taiwan, and each have they own practice partners when on tour.

I know that, but I was trying to hear the reasoning...

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

I know that, but I was trying to hear the reasoning...

I'm waiting for it too

 

[turbozed]

Going back to Zen Nihon Semi-Finals to now, Hayata is now 14-0 in her last 14 games, with 3 of the 4 opponents being Odo, Miwa, and Mittelham.

Has she shown this sort of consistency before in the past? Just over a month ago, she was looking a bit compromised and in mediocre form, which makes this current run really hard to believe.

 

[5545]

She doesn't have to beat anyone above her. She just needs to fend off those ranked below her. How about the good players she's beaten ranked below her? Hirano, Batra, Diaz, JCH, KM, Miwa, Paranang, YXX, Nagasaki, Kihara, Szocs, JJH, Sawettabut, etc. I do think it's going to be tough for her to remain in the top 10 because a number of Chinese and Japanese players are looking to break into the top 10.

Of course she has beaten good players ranked below her. Everyone has. But she has also lost a lot, and if you cannot consistently beat those players below you while is never able to beat those above you, I think that says something about your ranking.

IRL I don’t think she will drop out of the top 10 soon, she figured out how to stay there consistently for so long (even if I don’t think she deserves it) and those Chinese players and Japanese players have been there forever.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Of course she has beaten good players ranked below her. Everyone has. But she has also lost a lot, and if you cannot consistently beat those players below you while is never able to beat those above you, I think that says something about your ranking.

IRL I don’t think she will drop out of the top 10 soon, she figured out how to stay there consistently for so long (even if I don’t think she deserves it) and those Chinese players and Japanese players have been there forever.

She figured out how to stay there consistently for so long by winning her matches thus maintaining her ranking... just wait until the other players figure out this secret trick!

 

[pongfugrasshopper]

Of course she has beaten good players ranked below her. Everyone has. But she has also lost a lot, and if you cannot consistently beat those players below you while is never able to beat those above you, I think that says something about your ranking.

IRL I don’t think she will drop out of the top 10 soon, she figured out how to stay there consistently for so long (even if I don’t think she deserves it) and those Chinese players and Japanese players have been there forever.

The fact that she's had a high ranking for so long also says a lot about her. For what it's worth, she has beaten Miwa(WR#6) before as well as Odo (albeit in 2021). And of course the higher you go in ranking, the harder it is to beat those ahead of you. FWIW, she did have a really close match with Hina Hayata

9:11 11:9 11:9 8:11 6:11 11:4 11:13

3 - 4

HAYATA Hina

at the 2024 World Cup Macao. She's not over the hill yet so give her time.

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

Going back to Zen Nihon Semi-Finals to now, Hayata is now 14-0 in her last 14 games, with 3 of the 4 opponents being Odo, Miwa, and Mittelham.

Has she shown this sort of consistency before in the past? Just over a month ago, she was looking a bit compromised and in mediocre form, which makes this current run really hard to believe.

the crowd is waiting for the right timing to call for her retirement again
but today, they busy calling for Hirano's retirement

Isn't Hayata special?
while some thinks her career is over, she is fighting hard to make record winning streaks (not that I know what her personal record is)

 

[piligrim]

Kao's switch to NUZN and Rasanter seems to be working for him

must be good rubbers

 

[5545]

It’s still questionable why this is only the case with her……

The top ten right now consists of the top Chinese (nothing to say about them) Hayata, Ito, Odo, Miwa, and SYB in some order. I’ll stop talking about Miwa and Hayata but even Ito and Odo have played better over the past year or two: Odo has already won WTT Champions since recently when she burst out, and Ito managed not to lose to like >10 foreigners a year even if she’s no longer that consistent. She also wouldn’t lose to two Pan American players in one tournament. (It’s also not that one tournament I’m bugging Shin about) So SYB hasn’t really proven she’s better than the other top ten.

Alright fine, she’s ranked at the bottom of Top 10 anyways. But Now take a look at some of the players below her at WR 10-20: SXY, Hirano, Szocs, Kihara, CIC

Which one of those doesn’t deserve to be ranked higher than SYB, purely looking at performance and not looks?

They either are far more consistent (SXY, Kihara) or have shown their true capabilities by beating real higher ranked players (Hirano, Szocs)

Again, you cannot prove your ranking is legit if you can never beat anyone above you yet keep losing to people below you. It’s as simple as that.

 

[ThePongCommenter]

It’s still questionable why this is only the case with her……

The top ten right now consists of the top Chinese (nothing to say about them) Hayata, Ito, Odo, Miwa, and SYB in some order. I’ll stop talking about Miwa and Hayata but even Ito and Odo have played better over the past year or two: Odo has already won WTT Champions since recently when she burst out, and Ito managed not to lose to like >10 foreigners a year even if she’s no longer that consistent. She also wouldn’t lose to two Pan American players in one tournament. (It’s also not that one tournament I’m bugging Shin about) So SYB hasn’t really proven she’s better than the other top ten.

Alright fine, she’s ranked at the bottom of Top 10 anyways. But Now take a look at some of the players below her at WR 10-20: SXY, Hirano, Szocs, Kihara, CIC

Which one of those doesn’t deserve to be ranked higher than SYB, purely looking at performance and not looks?

They either are far more consistent (SXY, Kihara) or have shown their true capabilities by beating real higher ranked players (Hirano, Szocs)

Again, you cannot prove your ranking is legit if you can never beat anyone above you yet keep losing to people below you. It’s as simple as that.

Can you elaborate on why CIC's performance is much better than SYBs? Is she far more consistent or has she beat "real" higher ranked players that I don't know about?

Likewise you cannot prove your Supposed Top 10 ranking is legit if you can beat players above you but also lose to players below you like Szocs.