🚨 What Is Your BIGGEST Problem In Table Tennis At The Moment?

[UpSideDownCarl]

Oh that’s nice why is he saying that he sucks then😂

Often the lower rated players over rate themselves. And sometimes, higher rated players are realistic and judge their level based on what is possible. Compared to many of my friends who are high level players I suck and have major flaws in my game. Compared to lower level players, I am okay. I may want to compare myself to the players who are higher level than me and also to my goals.

Not sure about Brs's reasons. But, with the thin commentary and the "lets help each other out" words that seem to have meant, "let me help you out," the three highest level players who commented in this thread made terse comments none of which seemed all that complimentary.

Why don't you post footage of you playing a match against an opponent who gave you a good run for your money. I would bet you get more respect from doing that than from most of the posts you have made in this thread.

 

[Bryan TT]

If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong:

You are one of the two individuals from the Technical Table Tennis Youtube Channel. This much is obvious from your avatar, username, and your repeated recommendation of the YouTube Channel in your first few posts here. For as long as "content creators" have been a thing, it is very common to see these "content creators" join online communities under the guise of wanting to join the discussion but almost always, they end up just trying to push their content to get more views and engagement. I am not saying for sure you are doing this but I am just saying this is something that you constantly see with content creators and a lot of your early comments give off that vibe.

And the fact that you have just joined and already have posted twice to recommend your YouTube channel to other users, neither of which mentions that it is your channel, makes it look to people like you are secretly advertising for your YouTube instead of being up front about who you are.

But anyways, while you are here, why don't you tell us more about Technical Table Tennis? It seems that your videos are tagged with an Arizona location usually. Are you two both players from Arizona? What is your training and playing background? The channel states nothing more than



by a guy named Jin Jeon who sounds American, tags his videos as being in America (Arizona), but doesn't seem to have any tournament records or match videos anywhere online. Can you tell us more about his and your background, and why someone should take coaching from these relatively unknown people, one of which only started learning table tennis somewhat recently, when there are YouTube channels out there from well known and respected coaches and players who aren't mysteries?

Hey, honestly you are right, most of them do. And my post look that way, i think you are referring to my reply to a post about the best youtube channels, i was honestly saying it as a joke, and at the same time not, I don’t know if you get what i mean.
Honestly i hate talking about myself, but since you are asking, i started playing table tennis around 3,5 years ago, and my ranking is #130 in the country, and in U15 there is no ranking, but if you think objectively i am #2-3. I play in the 2nd division, but practice with the 1st division. I don’t claim to be a world champion, and never have, i just claim to be better than most people and i think i know a lot about the game.
Honestly lebanon is not that good at table tennis, so being ranked good here doesn’t mean i’m that good, especially compared to other countries. But you are right, you just made me reflect, and i think that both of us need to show more of us playing, so that we are not just random guys on the internet, but are people that you can trust. Thanks, what is your name by the way?

 

[Bryan TT]

Often the lower rated players over rate themselves. And sometimes, higher rated players are realistic and judge their level based on what is possible. Compared to many of my friends who are high level players I suck and have major flaws in my game. Compared to lower level players, I am okay. I may want to compare myself to the players who are higher level than me and also to my goals.

Not sure about Brs's reasons. But, with the thin commentary and the "lets help each other out" words that seem to have meant, "let me help you out," the three highest level players who commented in this thread made terse comments none of which seemed all that complimentary.

Why don't you post footage of you playing a match against an opponent who gave you a good run for your money. I would bet you get more respect from doing that than from most of the posts you have made in this thread.

Yeah you are right, thanks for letting me know

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Hey, honestly you are right, most of them do. And my post look that way, i think you are referring to my reply to a post about the best youtube channels, i was honestly saying it as a joke, and at the same time not, I don’t know if you get what i mean.
Honestly i hate talking about myself, but since you are asking, i started playing table tennis around 3,5 years ago, and my ranking is #130 in the country, and in U15 there is no ranking, but if you think objectively i am #2-3. I play in the 2nd division, but practice with the 1st division. I don’t claim to be a world champion, and never have, i just claim to be better than most people and i think i know a lot about the game.
Honestly lebanon is not that good at table tennis, so being ranked good here doesn’t mean i’m that good, especially compared to other countries. But you are right, you just made me reflect, and i think that both of us need to show more of us playing, so that we are not just random guys on the internet, but are people that you can trust. Thanks, what is your name by the way?

I see. So it sounds like you are not located in the USA even though many of your channels videos are tagged with a location of Arizona or Phoenix Arizona. So are you and Mr. Jeon from your channel both located in Phoenix or Arizona, and if not, how do you both appear to play together in some of the same videos such as this one?

 

[Bryan TT]

I see. So it sounds like you are not located in the USA even though many of your channels videos are tagged with a location of Arizona or Phoenix Arizona. So are you and Mr. Jeon from your channel both located in Phoenix or Arizona, and if not, how do you both appear to play together in some of the same videos such as this one?

No, we are both located in lebanon. He used to live in arizona, he moved here for a few months to get married to a lebanese girl. Now he will be moving back to america. Not sure how we will continue making videos, we might start doing them separately

 

[ThePongCommenter]

No, we are both located in lebanon. He used to live in arizona, he moved here for a few months to get married to a lebanese girl. Now he will be moving back to america. Not sure how we will continue making videos, we might start doing them separately

Thanks, that clears things up.

Back to the previous comment - there is nothing wrong with not being an elite player and wanting to coach people. It is nice that you want to share some knowledge, and you both may (or may not) be above average club level players but you both are also certainly not expert level players. So you might want to reconsider your audience and how you market your videos to people, and the usage of clickbait in your videos.

The first video I see on your channel is titled: "HOW TO DEVELOP A WORLD CLASS TABLE TENNIS SERVE", and then there are videos like "ULTIMATE GUIDES" and "how to do a KILLER BACKHAND loop".

Do either of you, as perhaps slightly above average club players, have a world class table tennis serve, or a killer backhand? This is a question many people will ask themselves when they see a video like that.

Let's compare these titles to the YouTube channel of a guy you might have heard about - Timo Boll.

"Forehand or backhand? How to play from the middle"
"7 essential tricks for a harder forehand topspin"
"The hardest step in table tennis - the step around"

So notice how the guy that everyone in table tennis knows as a legend, who does in fact have a world class serve and a killer backhand, doesn't even choose to use clickbait or make promises of giving someone a world class skill through his videos.

And then two guys who are okay players but are probably only suited to coach beginners, are making promises of giving viewers a world class serve or killer backhand that they don't even have themselves.

You see why this looks funny, right? My suggestion is to figure out your target audience, and then not make promises you can't deliver on.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

....and in U15 there is no ranking, but if you think objectively i am #2-3. I play in the 2nd division, but practice with the 1st division.

Okay. So, you are under 15? I think that is something you are implying there. If that is the case, it makes how you reply make a lot more sense. It would also make me think, the older, higher level players on the forum should maybe cut you some slack for the brief, quick, short attention span posts that you have mostly made. Nothing wrong with being under 15 and starting to try and organize your skills at explaining.

If you are 15 or under, it would also make sense how you could develop to a fairly decent level in a relatively short time; especially with good coaching and decent quality time on a table. But it is worth noting that it might not give you the communication skills that match your playing skill level. That would be something worth working on. I don't mean this as a dig. Just information on areas for growth.

And you are located in Lebanon? That is what your flag says, and the stats from your profile make it look like you are there currently.

When you have made those videos for the Technical Table Tennis YouTube Channel, were you and Jin filming in USA, Lebanon, or somewhere else? [edit: I see you answered these questions so, no need to answer again.]

Can you post footage of a match you played; maybe one where you feel you were challenged and pushed to your limits? That will be much more valuable to the forum than a lot of what you have posted so far.

Last piece of information: this info is general so, mostly applies, but there are always anomalies: adult learners are very different from childhood learners in racket sports. Knowing who you are talking to and what kinds of information will help a person will be helpful if you want to be able to help people learn and understand TT technique better. Often kids learn fast and don't need much technical detail if they see good technique. Adult learners generally need to both see good form and then also have decently robust information/explanation of the technique to help them understand what they are looking at and what they are trying to do.

Being young and being able to switch between both quick and detailed levels of information depending on your audience will be useful for you communicating TT technique to different audiences. Even though a 15 year old can get good at TT very fast, learning to communicate how to improve is just a different skill that might be worth developing for you. If you work on it, I am sure that will happen as well.

 

[turbozed]

No, we are both located in lebanon. He used to live in arizona, he moved here for a few months to get married to a lebanese girl. Now he will be moving back to america. Not sure how we will continue making videos, we might start doing them separately

Jin is a lucky guy if said Lebanese girl is a good cook. Lebanese food is amazing.

Good luck to you two on your channel. Somehow your videos ended up on my feed so you guys are doing something right when it comes to getting on the YT algorithm. As other forum members noted, you guys can find your niche despite not being a pro like Fang Bo.

Tom Lodziak is a good example of a guy who years ago was just teaching basic TT form and tips, targeting hobby and club players. His channel grew from there and he's had on top level coaches and pro players as it became more successful. Another channel to look for inspiration is Looeelooee who is a young kid himself making YT videos.

 

[Bryan TT]

Thanks, that clears things up.

Back to the previous comment - there is nothing wrong with not being an elite player and wanting to coach people. It is nice that you want to share some knowledge, and you both may (or may not) be above average club level players but you both are also certainly not expert level players. So you might want to reconsider your audience and how you market your videos to people, and the usage of clickbait in your videos.

The first video I see on your channel is titled: "HOW TO DEVELOP A WORLD CLASS TABLE TENNIS SERVE", and then there are videos like "ULTIMATE GUIDES" and "how to do a KILLER BACKHAND loop".

Do either of you, as perhaps slightly above average club players, have a world class table tennis serve, or a killer backhand? This is a question many people will ask themselves when they see a video like that.

Let's compare these titles to the YouTube channel of a guy you might have heard about - Timo Boll.

"Forehand or backhand? How to play from the middle"
"7 essential tricks for a harder forehand topspin"
"The hardest step in table tennis - the step around"

So notice how the guy that everyone in table tennis knows as a legend, who does in fact have a world class serve and a killer backhand, doesn't even choose to use clickbait or make promises of giving someone a world class skill through his videos.

And then two guys who are okay players but are probably only suited to coach beginners, are making promises of giving viewers a world class serve or killer backhand that they don't even have themselves.

You see why this looks funny, right? My suggestion is to figure out your target audience, and then not make promises you can't deliver on.

Yeah you are right, i think we should start to slow down on the “clickbaiting” all though I wouldn’t really call it click bait since we are delivering on the promise of the video. But i think you are right, maybe we should reduce how powerful the words we use are.
By the way, since you are giving me advice, what do you think of our last video : “ how to develop a world class serve”
Was it too heavily edited?
You seem like a really smart and knowledgeable person along with carl, and i’m interested to hear what you think

 

[Tony's Table Tennis]

By the way i’m trying to reach #1 on the leaderboards, so a follow would be nice of you

no one can beat Carl

 

[Bryan TT]

Okay. So, you are under 15? I think that is something you are implying there. If that is the case, it makes how you reply make a lot more sense. It would also make me think, the older, higher level players on the forum should maybe cut you some slack for the brief, quick, short attention span posts that you have mostly made. Nothing wrong with being under 15 and starting to try and organize your skills at explaining.

If you are 15 or under, it would also make sense how you could develop to a fairly decent level in a relatively short time; especially with good coaching and decent quality time on a table. But it is worth noting that it might not give you the communication skills that match your playing skill level. That would be something worth working on. I don't mean this as a dig. Just information on areas for growth.

And you are located in Lebanon? That is what your flag says, and the stats from your profile make it look like you are there currently.

When you have made those videos for the Technical Table Tennis YouTube Channel, were you and Jin filming in USA, Lebanon, or somewhere else? [edit: I see you answered these questions so, no need to answer again.]

Can you post footage of a match you played; maybe one where you feel you were challenged and pushed to your limits? That will be much more valuable to the forum than a lot of what you have posted so far.

Last piece of information: this info is general so, mostly applies, but there are always anomalies: adult learners are very different from childhood learners in racket sports. Knowing who you are talking to and what kinds of information will help a person will be helpful if you want to be able to help people learn and understand TT technique better. Often kids learn fast and don't need much technical detail if they see good technique. Adult learners generally need to both see good form and then also have decently robust information/explanation of the technique to help them understand what they are looking at and what they are trying to do.

Being young and being able to switch between both quick and detailed levels of information depending on your audience will be useful for you communicating TT technique to different audiences. Even though a 15 year old can get good at TT very fast, learning to communicate how to improve is just a different skill that might be worth developing for you. If you work on it, I am sure that will happen as well.

Yeah i can say its all thanks to my coach that i improved quickly, he is really a genius and knows so much about the game. I think i am ranked this high because of the war though. There has been war in the south (where all the good players play) with israel, so all of their houses are destroyed, and i have been training the whole time (every single day, cause there was no school), while they couldn’t. And for the same reason I don’t really have videos of me playing in a tournament, the only one i have is one from 2 years ago, i can send some videos of me playing against my coach (#9 in lebanon), i can take it next time i practice. The next tournament is in march, i think i will do pretty well in that one.

 

[yamagata]

My biggest problem is that J O Waldner said in TV that you will not be able to return a pro serve unless you started playing table tennis as a kid. I started at 50. So which serves will I be able to return? Or did he not talk about a single serve brought out of its context, but to be able to compete in the service game pro players use?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

Yeah you are right, i think we should start to slow down on the “clickbaiting” all though I wouldn’t really call it click bait since we are delivering on the promise of the video. But i think you are right, maybe we should reduce how powerful the words we use are.

My point is that neither you nor Jin know how to develop a world class serve unless either of you have a world class serve yourself or have learned extensively from world class players and coaches. And I don't think that is the case.

So it is clickbait.

I think it would be better to just lose the clickbait and maybe target your audience to beginners and low intermediates more.

 

[Brs]

Loop relatively soft but low and forward. The forward spin on the low balls makes them spinnier and faster. It is looping upwards that makes the ball spinny but slow.

Club level players pushes are like weird, totally weird.
You loop hard and the ball goes too long.
You loop soft and they can kill your loop.
It is darn difficult to find the middle path.

Loop however you want, slow fast, spinny dead, doesn't matter. Just place it where they have to move. Club players can't move and play worth anything. If you loop right at them, or within easy reach, they handle fine. As soon as it is outside their backhand or off the forehand sideline, major troubles.

 

[Bryan TT]

My point is that neither you nor Jin know how to develop a world class serve unless either of you have a world class serve yourself or have learned extensively from world class players and coaches. And I don't think that is the case.

So it is clickbait.

I think it would be better to just lose the clickbait and maybe target your audience to beginners and low intermediates more.

yeah i get what you mean. We usually target club level players because its the audience we understand the most. For the next videos we will try to make it less click baity.
As for the content itself, is the editing too much, does it distract you from the information?

 

[ThePongCommenter]

yeah i get what you mean. We usually target club level players because its the audience we understand the most. For the next videos we will try to make it less click baity.
As for the content itself, is the editing too much, does it distract you from the information?

Good luck on the next video.

No I don't think the editing is too much.

 

[Bryan TT]

Good luck on the next video.

No I don't think the editing is too much.

Thanks, and thanks for all of the tips.
As i said, i’m young and i’m trying to learn as much as possible. You seem like a really nice and smart guy, i appreciate you.

 

[NextLevel]

Jin is a lucky guy if said Lebanese girl is a good cook. Lebanese food is amazing.

Good luck to you two on your channel. Somehow your videos ended up on my feed so you guys are doing something right when it comes to getting on the YT algorithm. As other forum members noted, you guys can find your niche despite not being a pro like Fang Bo.

Tom Lodziak is a good example of a guy who years ago was just teaching basic TT form and tips, targeting hobby and club players. His channel grew from there and he's had on top level coaches and pro players as it became more successful. Another channel to look for inspiration is Looeelooee who is a young kid himself making YT videos.

Loelee is 2300 level.college graduate age person and is known in USATT circles. About to get betrothed to a lifetime partner as well. Not quite apples and oranges.

 

[NextLevel]

My biggest problem is that J O Waldner said in TV that you will not be able to return a pro serve unless you started playing table tennis as a kid. I started at 50. So which serves will I be able to return? Or did he not talk about a single serve brought out of its context, but to be able to compete in the service game pro players use?

This is a bit exaggerated but there is a point he is trying to make. The game has mental components as well as physical components and some of the instincts are harder to get to a high level the older you start. That said, it doesn't matter that much if you can't return a pro serve unless you are playing pros for money all the time. In reality, you will get better at everything in table tennis, especially service return, the longer you play and practice and you can enjoy TT improvement for the rest of your life, while most pros will hate playing and keep remembering their young prime glory days. I can't consistently return pro serves but I still play at a level I enjoy and you can too.

 

[NextLevel]

Thanks, and thanks for all of the tips.
As i said, i’m young and i’m trying to learn as much as possible. You seem like a really nice and smart guy, i appreciate you.

Your self control will take you far.