Video Footage Safe Thread

[suds79]

I've never seen this thread before. That OP post. lol. Wow. Gate keep much?

 

[olive-nguyen]

Oh wow, I just discovered this thread. Never knew it existed. I think it's time to retire the, "recordings of me playing my senior" thread.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

My recordings

3 new videos! Labeled 19/04/25

 

[olive-nguyen]

Hello, so far I can't really find any threads covering how to play against mid or pong pimps (I may have judt not searced throughly enough) I somehow keep encountering players who play pimps (which may be due to the age group of the uncles and aunties i regularly play with) and I'm still a little uncomfortable with them. I can say that my first attack in a point against a pimps player (especially a sponge long pimps choppe) i can forehand pretty low and fast, but on the second forehand, I really have to put my body into it to get it over the net, and usually it just doesn't pass it by then. I believe this must have something to do with the pimps spin reversal, where the more spin I put into the ball the more it returns, but how do I forehand such balls that are returned by their pimps so low that right off the bounce its not that high above the net, without downright judt pushing and staying on the table. I always try to look for her initiative to be first to attack, but I find this very hard to do against pimps. And flat hits for me in that situation never seems to work. Hence, what are the sequences one must do against pimps?

 

[NDH]

I've never seen this thread before. That OP post. lol. Wow. Gate keep much?

If you’d been looking enough, you’d know it’s pretty essential to allow people to post and ask for advice like this, without some absolute novice keyboard warrior spewing “textbook form” from their “Table Tennis 101” handbook….

No gate keeping, just common sense.

Hello, so far I can't really find any threads covering how to play against mid or pong pimps (I may have judt not searced throughly enough) I somehow keep encountering players who play pimps (which may be due to the age group of the uncles and aunties i regularly play with) and I'm still a little uncomfortable with them. I can say that my first attack in a point against a pimps player (especially a sponge long pimps choppe) i can forehand pretty low and fast, but on the second forehand, I really have to put my body into it to get it over the net, and usually it just doesn't pass it by then. I believe this must have something to do with the pimps spin reversal, where the more spin I put into the ball the more it returns, but how do I forehand such balls that are returned by their pimps so low that right off the bounce its not that high above the net, without downright judt pushing and staying on the table. I always try to look for her initiative to be first to attack, but I find this very hard to do against pimps. And flat hits for me in that situation never seems to work. Hence, what are the sequences one must do against pimps?

What you’ve said is not unusual.

For the vast majority of people, I’d advise loop, push, loop, push - If the pips player is half decent, and you get a good amount of spin on the loop, that chop back is going to be LOADED!

Pips defenders are always going to be limited in what they can do, and playing against them is often about being patient, and waiting for the right shot to put away.

 

[NextLevel]

not to start a debate about technique, genuinely curious: why does Ma Longs backhand have a huge amount of elbow back/forth movement? Fan Zhendong keeps elbow still but it seems to require a little bit of lat/trap tension inherently...

genuinely asking cause i dont get it...

[

]

My coach used to call Ma Longs technique a "dive" and Fan Zhendongs a " shove" but you are looking at something that is not the key to wherer their power comes from. Coach Meng at WRM TV had different videos for the techniques (kong vs kaitai or something like that). The point is not that the elbow doesn't move at all but that there is a way to use the arm to generate whip and if you are not doing it right, usually the culprit is using the upper arm to reach for the ball rather than getting maximum impact in your strike zone. Ma Long is doing it one way, Fan is doing it another. Ma Long's way is more of a close to the table counter though he can clearly generate with it, Fan is more of a short topspin which will get larger as he has more time.

One of the problems with watching advanced players is that you almost never know how their technique evolved so using it as a template comes with the risk that you are incorporating something that was a modified correction to a technical issue or taking advantage of unique strength. But in this case, we know that the technique Ma Long is using is also used somewhat by Harimoto and other players who take backhand off the bounce. There are many players who don't use this stroke that much if ever. So I would leave these "dive" experts largely on their own and if one wants to join them, one should learn to hit the ball with adequate backswing and strike on top of the ball.

 

[NextLevel]

Hello, so far I can't really find any threads covering how to play against mid or pong pimps (I may have judt not searced throughly enough) I somehow keep encountering players who play pimps (which may be due to the age group of the uncles and aunties i regularly play with) and I'm still a little uncomfortable with them. I can say that my first attack in a point against a pimps player (especially a sponge long pimps choppe) i can forehand pretty low and fast, but on the second forehand, I really have to put my body into it to get it over the net, and usually it just doesn't pass it by then. I believe this must have something to do with the pimps spin reversal, where the more spin I put into the ball the more it returns, but how do I forehand such balls that are returned by their pimps so low that right off the bounce its not that high above the net, without downright judt pushing and staying on the table. I always try to look for her initiative to be first to attack, but I find this very hard to do against pimps. And flat hits for me in that situation never seems to work. Hence, what are the sequences one must do against pimps?

The thing about pips is that if your game is mature and has a good structure for adjusting to spin, pips are not that big an issue as long as you resist the urge to play too fast since the ball generally has less spin. The intuitive physics of the game is important and most people struggle because they try to play against pips players like they do inverted players and have their intuitions frustrated because the ball doesn’thave spin beyond what you generated and they are not used to controlling balls with less spin. But if you accept that the pips are not magical and have patterns you have to learn and that once you learn them, you will control the ball against them just like you control any other ball, then the rest will come down to the skill and speed of the opponent. If an opponent anticipates and hits the ball better than you, you will struggle against them almost regardless of what they are using. But if you are roughly the same speed and ability, the key is to know how to read and play the ball off what you read. And you don't have to do this immediately eapecially if you are playing a long match. You can read and adjust your reada throughout the match, similar to adjusting to someone's tricky serve. It is just wothat has to be done sometimes, and it gets easier the more consistent and high quality your spin and ball control is. So the biggest step to playing pips better is to have stable technique because if you can't predict yourself, it is hard to predict what you are doing to the opponent. And with pips (and also inverted but in a different way) what is happening to the opponent is a lot about what you did.

There is a penholder who uses pips that I have never beaten, maybe I will record and post some video sometime and talk through my approach. It is usually super easy to comment on matches you win but much harder when you often look like an idiot.

 

[UpSideDownCarl]

I've never seen this thread before. That OP post. lol. Wow. Gate keep much?

If you’d been looking enough, you’d know it’s pretty essential to allow people to post and ask for advice like this, without some absolute novice keyboard warrior spewing “textbook form” from their “Table Tennis 101” handbook….

No gate keeping, just common sense.

Thanks for taking that on, NDH.

Yeah, @suds79: Perhaps this thread is not for you. But the idea of the thread is that when this thread was created, there were a lot of examples of someone posting footage and then large number of comments that were something like: "Your FH sucks, it does not look at all like Ma Long's...." The posts were not useful, they did not help the person who posted and they made a large number of members who wanted to post footage and get useful advice, not want to post footage, and a decent number of them left the forum as a result of how offensive some of the comments were. Almost invariably, if we saw footage from the person with the comments that were destructive, their technique was worse than the technique of the person whose technique they were trashing.

The people who are on the list of members approved to comment in this thread, they are all competent to give decent advice and they are all people who will try and give advice in a way that is constructive and not damaging; not something that could cause the person who posted to be upset or even worse, to try bad advice and end up with an injury as a result of taking advice from someone who didn't actually know what they were talking about.

So....for people who want to post so anyone can respond, those people are free to make their own threads with their footage any time they want. There is nothing from this thread that would stop them. But if someone wants the comments on their technique to be limited to just the people on the approved list on this thread, then THAT IS WHO THIS THREAD IS FOR. Perhaps that is not you. But recently @PenHoldSandro had made a thread where he got some of those kinds of comments and was told about this thread where comments like the ones that got him upset would not be tolerated. And that is why this thread got woken up from dormancy.

Now it looks like, as a result of that, @olive-nguyen also has seen this thread and thought, I would prefer to have my footage posted here than in my original thread.

So, for some this thread is not needed. And for others, it has its purpose. As with all content that you don't want to be bothered with, there is no need to read content from on the forum that you don't want to read. Nobody would fault you for not wanting to come onto this thread ever again. That is a fine choice.

 

[Lula]

Hello, so far I can't really find any threads covering how to play against mid or pong pimps (I may have judt not searced throughly enough) I somehow keep encountering players who play pimps (which may be due to the age group of the uncles and aunties i regularly play with) and I'm still a little uncomfortable with them. I can say that my first attack in a point against a pimps player (especially a sponge long pimps choppe) i can forehand pretty low and fast, but on the second forehand, I really have to put my body into it to get it over the net, and usually it just doesn't pass it by then. I believe this must have something to do with the pimps spin reversal, where the more spin I put into the ball the more it returns, but how do I forehand such balls that are returned by their pimps so low that right off the bounce its not that high above the net, without downright judt pushing and staying on the table. I always try to look for her initiative to be first to attack, but I find this very hard to do against pimps. And flat hits for me in that situation never seems to work. Hence, what are the sequences one must do against pimps?

Really need to practice against it and against different rubbers, there are different pimples. Will also get easier when you learn spin more.
If you play choppers that get a lot of backspin it is much easier if you do this:
- bend the legs like you are almost sitting on a chair then stand up from the chair, at least a little
- Relax the arm and let the arm down with racket pointing down, then move it straight up towards the ceiling by snapping forearm together, end with racket up and 90 degree angle in elbow. Almost like your are chilling and see a friend at the busstation, then you wave hi
- Opening the racket angle

At a higher level you can brush and go much more forward but even pro players do a lot of the above when they are looping safe against choppers.

Good luck

 

[PenHoldSandro]

So....for people who want to post so anyone can respond, those people are free to make their own threads with their footage any time they want. There is nothing from this thread that would stop them. But if someone wants the comments on their technique to be limited to just the people on the approved list on this thread, then THAT IS WHO THIS THREAD IS FOR. Perhaps that is not you. But recently @PenHoldSandro had made a thread where he got some of those kinds of comments and was told about this thread where comments like the ones that got him upset would not be tolerated. And that is why this thread got woken up from dormancy.

Haha yeah, that was mainly the reason why I came here, just simple recommendations! Not gonna lie this thread has helped me more than the previous 2 threads I have made sharing my games.

Speaking of which, I have 3 new videos! In the matchplay one I actually lost :/

Recordings

I forgot to mention, but I am using a Petr Korbel with Nittaku Hurricane Pro III Turbo on the FH and Tenergy 05 on the BH.

 

[NextLevel]

Haha yeah, that was mainly the reason why I came here, just simple recommendations! Not gonna lie this thread has helped me more than the previous 2 threads I have made sharing my games.

Speaking of which, I have 3 new videos! In the matchplay one I actually lost :/

Recordings

I forgot to mention, but I am using a Petr Korbel with Nittaku Hurricane Pro III Turbo on the FH and Tenergy 05 on the BH.

In the videos I have looked at with backhand topspin dated 4/19, we can do a.bit better. The problem you have is that you are trying to put the ball on the table rather than swing a specific way. This usually results in you not making radical changes to your technique because your body will only make minor changes because the priority is to put the ball on the table. This is made especially hard by your tracking and playing a moving/rally ball. You are stuck trying to adjust while continuing the rally and it is virtually impossible to ro this and make serious changes to your technique.

The technique is not terrible but it isn't advanced. I would recommend lots of self multiball where you hit the ball either out of your hand or after dropping it on the table - do this with a stable elbow and make sure you do not reach out to make contact with the ball. It takes some practice to get good whip on the backhand and then to adjust to using that whip to find the right strike zone to hit the ball to get a high quality shot. In fact after doing this, many advanced players still trust their forehand far more than their backhands for tracking and attacking tricky balls. I like to believe my most advanced shot is my backhand topspin and I still use more forehand for most tricky and high balls that come off long pushes because it is easier to adjust the strike zone and contact point of the forehand. One of thr biggest problems teaching backhand to players with decent forehands is that they are often stuck with bad backhands because they want their backhands to be fast on day 1. In my humble opinion, it is better to try to get as much spin as possible on the backhand at first. The power will come later.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

The technique is not terrible but it isn't advanced. I would recommend lots of self multiball where you hit the ball either out of your hand or after dropping it on the table - do this with a stable elbow and make sure you do not reach out to make contact with the ball. It takes some practice to get good whip on the backhand and then to adjust to using that whip to find the right strike zone to hit the ball to get a high quality shot. In fact after doing this, many advanced players still trust their forehand far more than their backhands for tracking and attacking tricky balls. I like to believe my most advanced shot is my backhand topspin and I still use more forehand for most tricky and high balls that come off long pushes because it is easier to adjust the strike zone and contact point of the forehand. One of thr biggest problems teaching backhand to players with decent forehands is that they are often stuck with bad backhands because they want their backhands to be fast on day 1. In my humble opinion, it is better to try to get as much spin as possible on the backhand at first. The power will come later.

I see, so self multiball first. Will do!

 

[NextLevel]

I see, so self multiball first. Will do!

Changing habits is often difficult. We just try a lot of things to make it better. Some things work, some don't. But remeber with self multiball, the goal is not to hit the ball hard or play your backhand topspin hard. It is to do the exact swing that you want to do (fixed elbow, no reaching for the ball) and make sure you contact the ball reasonably well. You can add power after you are satisfied you have stopped reaching out. But if you hit yhe ball into the net or off the table, it is okay. But focus on trying to do a reasonably good swing. You can look at the backhand hit and topspin tutorial videos of the shorts on this channel if you want some inspiration.

 

[suds79]

Yeah, @suds79: Perhaps this thread is not for you. But the idea of the thread is that when this thread was created, there were a lot of examples of someone posting footage and then large number of comments that were something like: "Your FH sucks, it does not look at all like Ma Long's...." The posts were not useful, they did not help the person who posted and they made a large number of members who wanted to post footage and get useful advice, not want to post footage, and a decent number of them left the forum as a result of how offensive some of the comments were. Almost invariably, if we saw footage from the person with the comments that were destructive, their technique was worse than the technique of the person whose technique they were trashing.

Okay I understand.

I posted footage recently of a match I had and then week or two later some footage of where I made the assessment that vs this one player I was playing service receive poorly. In both instances, I had feedback that was constructive and what I was looking to discuss. Nothing was blatantly negative or something I'd refer to as troll like. They were normal conversations about improving one's game. So based on that experience, I was not aware this is / was an issue on the board at the time. So it just struck me as exclusionary.

Knowing what was going on at the time, I get the overall goal of the thread as a place were people can honestly look for feedback. Hope there are no hard feelings.

 

[NextLevel]

Okay I understand.

I posted footage recently of a match I had and then week or two later some footage of where I made the assessment that vs this one player I was playing service receive poorly. In both instances, I had feedback that was constructive and what I was looking to discuss. Nothing was blatantly negative or something I'd refer to as troll like. They were normal conversations about improving one's game. So based on that experience, I was not aware this is / was an issue on the board at the time. So it just struck me as exclusionary.

Knowing what was going on at the time, I get the overall goal of the thread as a place were people can honestly look for feedback. Hope there are no hard feelings.

Quite a few things have helped improve the quality of feedback. But it is all relative, and sometimes related to personality.

 

[NextLevel]

While this video is not a tutorial, it has some interesting ideas related to recent conversation on backhand. We are not at the footwork or hitting hard stage.

 

[Der_Echte]

If you’d been looking enough, you’d know it’s pretty essential to allow people to post and ask for advice like this, without some absolute novice keyboard warrior spewing “textbook form” from their “Table Tennis 101” handbook….

No gate keeping, just common sense.



What you’ve said is not unusual.

For the vast majority of people, I’d advise loop, push, loop, push - If the pips player is half decent, and you get a good amount of spin on the loop, that chop back is going to be LOADED!

Pips defenders are always going to be limited in what they can do, and playing against them is often about being patient, and waiting for the right shot to put away.

NDH is giving away free gold nuggets here... BUT... IF... and only IF you can see the ball well... you can confidently attack that next ball and be a boss of physics.

Talk to ur friends and raise enough money to fly me over to your place and I will show you how to attack and finish vs pips and how to treat stray cats nice.

 

[olive-nguyen]

94 bucks for a one way so you don’t need to go back

NDH is giving away free gold nuggets here... BUT... IF... and only IF you can see the ball well... you can confidently attack that next ball and be a boss of physics.

Talk to ur friends and raise enough money to fly me over to your place and I will show you how to attack and finish vs pips and how to treat stray cats nice.

 

[PenHoldSandro]

94 bucks for a one way so you don’t need to go back



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oh hell nah xD meet me in the islands before going your merry way to Singapore!

 

[NextLevel]

Haven't posted any practice video in forever - trying to make my backhand and forehand more compact, but more my forehand than my backhand in this video. They both have issues but I don't have a practice partner who can block at the practice speed I would like to do (and this particular practice partner likes to play blocks to win points so I have to be a bit more careful for consistency. But if I find someone who can practice the way I really want to, I might post video that.

For those who don't know, I have bad knees, I used to wear lots of supports but now I just try to wing it, do glute exercises and take collagen supplements. Not wearing any supports here or these days.