New Butterfly Hadraw 5

[Larshos]

Well, kinda hard to judge as I'm a newbie, have only played the YSE before and somehow I do not feel much difference. Not that there is none, it's just my inablility to feel the feedback and vibrations. It's more stiff, fast but still comfortable and with good control (compared to YSE).


Well, I did. 🤷
But now we have one at home at least.

Well, it is highly appreciated!

 

[JairoAC]

I have Korbel Speed, but it is different from Hadraw 5. Korbel Speed, while has koto as outerply, does not have spruce in it.

Korbel Speed if I recall correctly is either koto - koto - ayous - koto - koto or koto - limba - ayous - limba - koto.

I have a Korbel Speed too. I am thinking about buying the Hadraw 5. You said it is different than Korbel Speed, what do you think is different? The speed, resonance or sound when striking, vibrations, firmness when contacting the ball and the ease of play?

 

[mightymouse]

It's been a long time since I used Korbel Speed and back then, I used it for just 2 sessions. At that time, Korbel Speed was not released yet, and somehow the TT store that offered me, got a prototype sample (without the usual BTY serial number printed on the blade's face).

At that time, I have been using BTY Korbel (Japanese version) for quite a long time. I have also used Avalox P500 (and BTY Kong Ling Hui) before that. So I think BTY Korbel Speed is the combination of those two, but somehow I did not like the feeling at all.

BTY Korbel is limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba
Avalox P500 (and BTY Kong Ling Hui) is koto - spruce - ayous - spruce - koto
I also like Donic Dicon, which is limba - spruce - ayous - spruce - limba

The problem with spruce as the middle ply (after core, and below top ply) is that it is quite bouncy. Korbel has deep hold, which I like better.

So, when Korbel Speed was introduced, I am quite curious, how BTY Korbel Speed with koto (as the outerply) behaves. But somehow, I just did not like it. BTY Korbel has more feeling.

If I have to rate the better blade, then my choice is BTY Korbel > BTY Korbel SK7 > BTY Korbel Speed.

Now, back to your question: I can't really answer you, but from my experience with Avalox P500, it is a very good blade. It has the same composition with BTY Hadraw 5, but thinner (P500 is around 5.7 mm in thickness). As per my experience with BTY Korbel Speed, I think I like Avalox P500 more (meaning I would like Hadraw 5 more,).

Sorry for not able to answer you specifically.

 

[impluse101]

It's been a long time since I used Korbel Speed and back then, I used it for just 2 sessions. At that time, Korbel Speed was not released yet, and somehow the TT store that offered me, got a prototype sample (without the usual BTY serial number printed on the blade's face).

At that time, I have been using BTY Korbel (Japanese version) for quite a long time. I have also used Avalox P500 (and BTY Kong Ling Hui) before that. So I think BTY Korbel Speed is the combination of those two, but somehow I did not like the feeling at all.

BTY Korbel is limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba
Avalox P500 (and BTY Kong Ling Hui) is koto - spruce - ayous - spruce - koto
I also like Donic Dicon, which is limba - spruce - ayous - spruce - limba

The problem with spruce as the middle ply (after core, and below top ply) is that it is quite bouncy. Korbel has deep hold, which I like better.

So, when Korbel Speed was introduced, I am quite curious, how BTY Korbel Speed with koto (as the outerply) behaves. But somehow, I just did not like it. BTY Korbel has more feeling.

If I have to rate the better blade, then my choice is BTY Korbel > BTY Korbel SK7 > BTY Korbel Speed.

Now, back to your question: I can't really answer you, but from my experience with Avalox P500, it is a very good blade. It has the same composition with BTY Hadraw 5, but thinner (P500 is around 5.7 mm in thickness). As per my experience with BTY Korbel Speed, I think I like Avalox P500 more (meaning I would like Hadraw 5 more,).

Sorry for not able to answer you specifically.

just a query, any specific blade same to hadraw's composition? that is not discontinued

TIA

 

[mightymouse]

just a query, any specific blade same to hadraw's composition? that is not discontinued

TIA

Avalox P500 is not discontinued. You can still buy it from online store. If I recall correctly, there is hypertt.com (from Malaysia), OOAK TT shop (Australia) and Alphastore?? (USA).

You can get Yinhe E-1. It has the same composition.
You can get ITC Dynarc T-5, which has the same composition but with burnt koto as the outerply.

Or better yet, just buy Butterfly Hadraw 5. Problem solved....


But you are correct, the koto - spruce - ayous - spruce - koto is not that common now. Mostly it is limba - spruce - ayous - spruce - limba.

 

[TTAntiPlayer]

just a query, any specific blade same to hadraw's composition? that is not discontinued

TIA

Sanwei Fextra 5 - maybe not at the level of the Hadraw but it's quite a good blade for the price, It’s also cheap if you just want to test out the same composition

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/sanwei-fextra-5-new-blade.34055/

 

[Chr75]

I saw on Butterfly's chart that the speed and control values of the Hadraw 5 blade are very similar to those of the innerforce ALC. Could someone clarify the differences?

 

[Chr75]

Can anyone compare the Butterfly Hadraw 5 with the Franziska ZLC? On chart, the Butterfly blades have similar features.

 

[h3llary]

Can anyone compare the Butterfly Hadraw 5 with the Franziska ZLC? On chart, the Butterfly blades have similar features.

Hadraw higher throw angle, less feeling, thicker handle.

Franziska better feeling/vibrations, thin handle, lower throw angle

 

[U871247]

I have Korbel Speed, but it is different from Hadraw 5. Korbel Speed, while has koto as outerply, does not have spruce in it.

Korbel Speed if I recall correctly is either koto - koto - ayous - koto - koto or koto - limba - ayous - limba - koto.

It’s limba-limba-ayous core-limba -limba

 

[mightymouse]

It’s limba-limba-ayous core-limba -limba

Ordinary Butterfly Korbel is limba - limba - ayous core - limba - limba.

Korbel Speed is different. The outerply is Koto